This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

[WickedDevil]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

Holy hell, I posted another reply, and it dissapeared. Even the guy I was quoting dissapeared. My posted reply, and j-trains reply dissapeared. Trippy.

Are the boards malfucntioning? Did a mod delete my post and the guy I quoted's post simultaniously the moment I submited mine?

Wait wait, I found the posts. They're on page 1. Wtf? Am I missing something? Since when did new posts get put on page 1 instead of the last page?

Nm. Fixed.

[F-1]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

It doesn't matter. If the Support guy sees you about to snipe him, he prones and starts hosing. If you don't get that shot off immediately through his forehead, consider yourself critically injured.

Assault has more fire power even more than the pkm. if you take the fire rate and damage into account then the G3 has the best fire power. reloading after killing a couple of guys is not a bad thing.if you face a guy with the pkm and you have the g3 then you have a better chance of killing him.

[tsh2005]

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yea most people play support now. Only good thing about this is a never run out of amo and can spam nades 24/7 :P

Med became a little more popular now as well.. And tanks/apc became the most popular of them all :)

have to love tanks/apcs now better then air. only anti tank with its sound bug and fire bug can kill you. c4 doesnt happen often and mines you can spot "red skull

[]UK-C[ Mindzai]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

How can anyone possibly claim the strengths of a certain class make the game unfair? As long as the same classes are available to everyone then it is, by definition, fair.

You have 3 options:

1. Stop whining and never play again
2. Stop whining and play support
3. Stop whining and play a different kit.

Either way you have the exact same options as everyone else has, so stop whining.

[No_Smoking]

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Yeah I thought it was pretty funny when I played a 64 Karkand server tonight... I requested someone to drop me ammo and checked the map to see where the closest support guy was, and to my suprise it seemed like 80% of my team were support lol. The ammo icons on the map covered just about all the blue dots haha.

[Bungalow_Bill]

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The OP is right, the PKM is too good. I always did best with a G36E or C, SCAR-L or a F2000, and while these weapons were clearly better than the rest, no one single weapon stood out to me as being the king of all weapons. However, now in 1.2 nothing can beat a PKM. You can use it as a sniper rifle, you can use it up close like a shotgun, and you can use it at medium range just as well as any other rifle. With 100 round clip, you almost never run out of juice in the middle of fire fight, and the bullets themselves provide the best damage of any fully automatic weapon.

To me this is more proof that DICE is severly out of touch with the core of the game, and doesn't properly test their patches at all. The new skilless AA missiles is just one example, and the PKM is another.

I usually do very good when I play infantry, and I end up typically within the top 3 players on my team on a 64 player server, depending on the map, how good the armor whores are and how well I'm doing. Though now I've adopted the PKM I'm almost always pulling off a gold and silver medals every single round. I had an unbelievable killing spree just the other day on Sharqi. I was on US team at construction site and I climbed up the crane all the way to the top with my PKM. MEC captured the point directly to the west of the crane, and thus the slaughter began. In the space of about 6 minutes I had wracked up an unbelievable 37 kills before a sniper decided to put an end to my killing spree. Never have I had such an unbelievable killing spree on infantry before, and while I'd chalk it up in part to the incompetence of the enemy at the time, I'm lucid enough to realize the PKM is the primary reason for my overwhemling success in that situation. Shooting at that spawn from the top of the crane is quite a distance, and I was actually shooting people at the spawn to the north. These people were snipers in part, and quite literally were represented only by a handful of pixels on my monitor. However I'd just point, tap off a couple shots, and 2 or 3 connects later I've scored another frag. Take this ungodly accuracy and damage and couple it with an unending clip, and you've got yourself the first and only king of guns in BF2. Though, to call it the new tube is a bit of a stretch, because as with all weapons, aiming still does take skill, as where pointing the weapon in the general direction at the ground and firing did not.

[imported_Apostle]

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This is ridiculous. You just can't please anyone 'round here.

So, instead of dying every twenty seconds via the noobtoob, I die by the PKM. What's the big deal? Pre-patch, when I canme face to face with a support player, I always felt I had the upper hand, be it playing engineer or medic. Now, they are a class to fear. The support weapons were a waste of time before, now the work effectively just like every other gun.

If the class is so great, why are people still playing spec ops, engineer, medic and sniper? Oh yeah, that's right, because they each have the ability to hold their own against the support class.

Final thought: It's a game, you die a lot. What difference does it make to die by one weapon rather than another?

[imported_Killa4live]

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No.

First of all the PKM does the same damage as the SVD because they both take the same 7.62x54R rounds, and this was the same before the patch.

Its not like its unrealistic, a PKM would rip you to peices.

Yeah its annoying because now its made better, any old noob can pick it up and use it well. Where as before It was harder to master and most people never used it.

In a way I wish they put all the weapons accuracy etc back, because the G3 and the support weapons I did just fine with before.

G3 is good now, finally it can kill, but it still take lots of skill(else even at clsoe range the bullets will be sparying), but the PKM is definately stupid.
Assault rfiles need to be strong, G3 ea did good, F2000 and other AR have noobtube and also strong accuracy(ak!!). BUT PKm, common EA!

Ill guess the only thing needed is to nerf the PKM a bit. Other weopons are ok(G36e is still stupid too, i mean MEDIC, they freaking alreday have massive pionts, lets give them a master gun, so one more reason why the G3 should be like its now)(else medics have better guns than Assault!)

[dblEdge]

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All these support guys running around and I still run out of ammo... none of them seem to know how to resupply!

[EvilP]

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I must say I like it better this way.

Why did no one play support before the patch?

Why is everyone playing it now?

The answer is because it is now fun and effective. The ammo giving ability was never very useful as people usually die before using up all their ammo. Now that you can actually feel like a cool guy with a massive gun mowing down people support becomes a fun class to play. After all it requires MORE skill to play now that you have to aim properly as opposed to just spraying and praying. It's a bit overpowered, but I prefer having accurate weapons in a game as opposed to having guns that you have to rely on luck to hit with.

About outsniping snipers, you can sorta do that with the spec ops weapons as well. Takes a few shots, but they have godlike accuracy when prone and using single fire.

Also, removing sprint from support altogether would be the dumbest move ever. They would become unable to do so many vital jumps etc.

[InsaneKitty]

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i play support, assult and sniper allot, i love those support n00bs when i'm a sniper coz everytime they lie down its BANG headshot 8)
i cant stand all those n00bs whining about weapons being changed, i love it, and i'l adapt to any change, i was support allot before, and now i'm support allot still, an i was happy with n00btubers, coz they provided me with ammopoints
but now i love to shoot support gunners, if your good and fast with the m24 or whatever other sniper you use, support troops can be zipped in black bags anyway

[Roger Smith]

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while i do agree to an extent about the pkm, (its probobly just because the pkm fire sound is busted). i feel that support is finally living up to the role it should. support is supposed to keep enemy under cover, and heads down, now it does that. i do think that assault needs something to compete with the other classes, not because of the gl nerf, just in general.

[Eddy01741]

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Wow, the support weapons weren't that bad back then anyways, its just that noobs expected that when they're standing up firing full auto they should expect to hit a guy 100m away. I was DEADLY with the MG36 back then, i would easily take out any threat at close range besides noobtubers and vehicles. It's just noobs that wanted it changed. Anyways, look at it, the PKM has better accuracy than the G36C when proned and zoomed, now that is just cheap. So YES, U CAN SNIPE WITH TE DANG THING. Anyways, u guys should notice the MG36, it's more accurate than teh PKM for the first 24 shots fired in full auto, and it takes around 73 bullets in full auto to overheat, as well, it's reload time is great.

EDIT: And ya, everybody on Karkand uses support now, with the PKM. Anyways, the support guns are like how they are in RL. But they forgot one thing, decreased mobility, they shouldn't be able to run nearly as far as assault, they have ammo bags with belts of bullets inside, that's heavy. The support guns are now realistic, but not balanced, if u want balanced AND realistic support guns, go play Americas Army, cause although teh support guns are UBER accurate, the assault rifles and everything else are even more uberly accurate. Which makes it realistic and balanced.

[InsaneKitty]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

its logical that the pkm has better accuracy than a g36e proned and zoomed, the pkm has a bigger caliber, this means more velocity, and it has a longer barrel, so its logical its more accurate....

[Eddy01741]

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its logical that the pkm has better accuracy than a g36e proned and zoomed, the pkm has a bigger caliber, this means more velocity, and it has a longer barrel, so its logical its more accurate....

Bigger caliber doesn't mean higher velocity, it depends ont eh length of the barrel, and the gunpowder used for the bullet. But ya, most MGs have longer, heavier barrels, so it should. So in RL ur right, but like i said before, its not good for the BALANCE of the game.