This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

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  • WickedDevil

    #1

    This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

    Ok, I am all happy and joyus that n00b tubers are gone, and some of the more lame crap in BF2 has been resolved/removed. Joy joy, horrah horrah.

    Guess what? There's a new n00b tube class. Its got nothing to do with a tank or a SRAW or any of those large explosive projectile tubes. Know what it is?

    Support.


    Suprised? Yeah, so was I when I found out. Get this, the PKM does as much damage as an SVD, and it has full auto, 100 rounds, and is now accurate as ****. (insert S word here, as we must be careful of the 12 year olds who see or hear such obscene language, while they shoot people and play their war games.)

    But wait, there has to be a downside to being support right? Lets find out.

    He Has infinite ammo, can spam hand grenades till the cows come home, has a SVD with full auto, has BODY armor for gods sakes, and doesn't require a tripod. Oh, he also has less endurance for running than the lighter classes. Maybe it has to do with that large machine gun that he carries that has a lot of recoil. Oh and lets not forget all the ammo on his back. But hey, he doesn't care does he? Apparently holding that heavy, bulky machine gun that has large amounts of recoil doesn't hinder him from walking AT you while firing and kill you. Im SO happy Dice/EA made support useful again. . . Oh wait. .

    Anywho. .

    I fully comprehend that the support weapons were crap before 1.2. I am aware of this in its entirety. I am also aware that AA was crap before 1.2, as am I aware that practically no one flies choppers or jets anymore because there's almost no point to it if the server you're on has at least one guy sitting in a stinger. Flares? Thats nice. Evaisive manuvers? You'd might as well grab your rip cord if you hear tone and your flares aren't ready.

    I've used the PKM, the MG36, all the rest. Some people might have the gall to say I am somehow bitter about dying to them now. You know what? I am. Why? Its TOO damned easy. I sat in a corner on Karkand and peppered maybe 12 guys off their little spawn hill and no one was afk on their team. That was of course, 80 rounds later of pure spray.

    Oh and please, none of that "But now its more realistic!" or "Oh but I've fired (insert random gun here that random trigger happy grunt in the Military used) and its nice and accurate and lethal!" BF2 isn't a reality game. Its an arcade game. We all know that. I am tired of getting shot by a dude that prones, fires off maybe 8 rounds, kills me from days away, then gets up again with the quickness to just prone for a second elsewhere.

    You remember those guys that were 24/7 assault? That would ask for ammo once they used maybe two RGs? That were paranoid to be without an RG for any given moment? That would bunny hop all around you while they were reloading their tube instead of whipping out the bullets? Guess where they went?

    GG.
  • warfryx

    #2
    Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

    well may i suggest that when the round starts every one meets in middle of map.... we ahve a tea party ..... and change the game name to SiLLYFIELD...

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    • WarGimp

      #3
      Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

      Pssst... Adapt!

      The other guns changed too. Snipers are now great for picking off support guys. The G3 is a deadly tool on the field now. If you think the PKM is an arse kicker, you should definatly give the G3 a shot. Takes a bit more finesse, but it's deadly. Even better when you've got some point hungery support guys around.

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      • WickedDevil

        #4
        Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

        It doesn't matter. If the Support guy sees you about to snipe him, he prones and starts hosing. If you don't get that shot off immediately through his forehead, consider yourself critically injured.

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        • rombaft

          #5
          Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

          If you think the class is so UBER, well, then play as a support,
          the support weapons got more acurate, but still , a normal assault weapon or sniper will be the winner on long distance , also other weapons have the luxury of beeing still acurate when standing, support weapons still need to be used prone, otherwise you won't hit much on medium long distance .

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          • -ChiCken

            #6
            Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

            Look.. If you wanna play a really realistic game look for sometink called America's Army!!! but its **** so dont waste your dl.

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            • WickedDevil

              #7
              Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

              rombaft wrote: "also other weapons have the luxury of beeing still acurate when standing, support weapons still need to be used prone, otherwise you won't hit much on medium long distance ."

              Wrong. I've wasted people medium range while crouched with the M249. I've also done it at a slightly less range while standing. Whoever says you can't waste people standing straight up doesn't know what they're doing. Like I said, each round of the PKM does damage equivelent to an SVD. 3 shots, thats it. Who cares if you spray and half your shots miss? You're not going for accuracy.

              -ChiCken wrote: "Look.. If you wanna play a really realistic game look for sometink called America's Army!!! but its **** so dont waste your dl."

              Im not looking for realism, im looking for ballance. That would be stupid asking for realism in a game that wasn't designed around it.

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              • WarGimp

                #8
                Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

                Seriously dude, I've been having fun hunting support dudes lately. You know the first thing they are going to do when they spot you is to prone... so if they see you, RUN! Duck, do whatever.

                They are a slow class, so you can move to cover faster than they can chase you down (unless you exuasted yourself).

                If you catch one at range and he doesn't spot you, go for pickshots. One shot at a time and try to stay covered. When he looks your way, don't shoot unless you can make the kill. Change position if you have to. Chances are, he's not going to move much, so you can go for his flanks.

                These tactics will work with any weapon.

                BTW: The rounds required to drop someone with the PKM is the same as for the G3. 3 for unarmoured and 4 for amoured. G3 has a faster rate of fire too, thus making it the better weapon up close. Just watch the ammo.

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                • tsh2005

                  #9
                  Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

                  yea ok its overdone. Look at everything else ea did. It was probably better before the patch.

                  but you can play it to. it will change just like many other things

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                  • HowieMandel

                    #10
                    Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

                    Well, I do think they shouldnt be able to "support" themselves. I know that might sound ODD to you guys, but I think the support guy should have to rely on others to re-supply him with ammo.
                    I dont see as many support guys as I used to when 1.2 first hit, myself. Heck even I tried it. Yes, it is in fact fairly uber. But, thats no fun really. Not really.

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                    • L3adcannon

                      #11
                      Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

                      Originally posted by -ChiCken
                      Look.. If you wanna play a really realistic game look for sometink called America's Army!!! but its **** so dont waste your dl.
                      Shut your arcade face. AA is better than most of the current FPS`. Just cause u cant kill anyone there doesn`t mean it`s s*it.

                      But anyway. Like some1 said above- adapt.

                      k.

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                      • tsh2005

                        #12
                        Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

                        well it will probably be changed again. like many other things

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                        • rombaft

                          #13
                          Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

                          Originally posted by WickedDevil
                          rombaft wrote: "also other weapons have the luxury of beeing still acurate when standing, support weapons still need to be used prone, otherwise you won't hit much on medium long distance ."

                          Wrong. I've wasted people medium range while crouched with the M249. I've also done it at a slightly less range while standing. Whoever says you can't waste people standing straight up doesn't know what they're doing. Like I said, each round of the PKM does damage equivelent to an SVD. 3 shots, thats it. Who cares if you spray and half your shots miss? You're not going for accuracy.

                          -ChiCken wrote: "Look.. If you wanna play a really realistic game look for sometink called America's Army!!! but its **** so dont waste your dl."

                          Im not looking for realism, im looking for ballance. That would be stupid asking for realism in a game that wasn't designed around it.

                          Look, I didn't say it was i^possible to kill someone at medium distance standing up with a support weapon, but I do say, if your oponent is having an assault rifle or carbine, and he knows how to shoot, well, you are going to get killed , the deviation of the support weapons is above 3 when standing up , from the assault weapons and carbines it's 1.5-2 , so they are way more acurate standing up , offcourse there are a lot of noobs running around and when you shoot one standing up with your suport weapon doesn't mean the weapon is UBER , it can also mean your oponent was just a noob or not looking at you .

                          And FYI , I do know what I am doing in BF2 , and with support weapons , I had a +/- 1 K/D ratio with the support weapons even before the patch

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                          • Mekstizzle

                            #14
                            Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

                            This is why there should be an even longer time to get from prone to crouch to standing etc..not so much from crouch and standing but from prone to other. Not for realism but for the sake of balance. Support class should also have less sprint. I know it's already quite low but still. I've been playing support quite alot recently and it does need some sort of balancing as it's kinda too easy..

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                            • imported_Apostle
                              Member
                              • May 2005
                              • 1182

                              #15
                              Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

                              ...and the downsides of playing support:
                              • You are only really accurate from prone. You can't move fast while prone, so you are a sitting duck if spotted.


                              Yes ok I know that actually the PKM is pretty accurate from crouched too, this should be changed slightly. Also, I think I support soldier should have no sprint at all, or very, very limited. Think of the weight on the guys back. He should be a powerful soldier, look at his machine gun! But to counter that, his mobility should not be as good as an assualt class soldier.

                              Just my opinion. Nothing will be changed anyway, so you're wasting your time typing I am sorry to say.

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