This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

[rombaft]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

...and the downsides of playing support:

• You are only really accurate from prone. You can't move fast while prone, so you are a sitting duck if spotted.

Yes ok I know that actually the PKM is pretty accurate from crouched too, this should be changed slightly. Also, I think I support soldier should have no sprint at all, or very, very limited. Think of the weight on the guys back. He should be a powerful soldier, look at his machine gun! But to counter that, his mobility should not be as good as an assualt class soldier.

Just my opinion. Nothing will be changed anyway, so you're wasting your time typing I am sorry to say.

no sprint at all realy sucks, then for example you spawn at flag, no vehicles left there, OK, lets take a massive boring walk to the next flag , this is totaly not an option .

and about weight on the guy his back, do you know what 4 eryx rocket launchers + mp5 + ammo is on your back ?

[HypnosisFX]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

Last night i was playing and i go support now cause the PKM is my fave weapon. When i was attacking the communication tower i seen 5 guys there. wanna know how nice the PKM is? its wehn all 5 attacked me and i managed to kill all 5. 2 meds and 2 spec ops with 1 support....all dead all i had left was 1 bar of health and i got killed buy there supporting tank that just rolled in. I hated the PKM cause it was juts horrid before but now its my new best freind.

PS. you can still noob tub. you just need to learn the new a new way thats all.

[LaGrenouille]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

Nah I think it's a little too accurate. During the first few days of 1.2 I got pretty much owned by support guys (I usually play as sniper and I was far away) because I wasn't careful enough. Support was easy meat pre 1.2 but like wargimp said, you have to adapt. Don't attract their attention and don't EVER get in front of a prone support dude

[imported_Apostle]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

no sprint at all realy sucks, then for example you spawn at flag, no vehicles left there, OK, lets take a massive boring walk to the next flag , this is totaly not an option .

and about weight on the guy his back, do you know what 4 eryx rocket launchers + mp5 + ammo is on your back ?

Point taken :)

Well, then the only other way of balencing the support class I can see is to have a deloyable bipod. Who knows if this is possible to code in the BF2 engine, and if it involve much time and hard work, DICE wouldn't do it., they are obviously working on many projects.

[pYura]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

play the class wich you think the strongest is and own the enemy... its not true that everyone turned to play support only!!

[baroque]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

let noskilled people have fun a little while and hope that they change this in the next patch

[el_dext0r]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

tbh i think they did the right thing with the support class but should maybe tone down the accuracy a little to make the PKM less lethal at long range but still as effective at short/medium range.

imo a prone soldier with a LMG should be able to mow down almost anything that moves in front of him as its a very strong position to be in, particularly with good cover, its then down to the enemy to either go round him and flank him or just avoid him, negating the strength of his gun

at least support guys are actually capable of doing their job and hurting things now

[Rogue845]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

the support weapons got more acurate, but still , a normal assault weapon or sniper will be the winner on long distance.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you on this one Rombaft. There are people out there using using PKMs as sniper rifles. It's been my experience that whatever the range is, if a supprt gunner - especially PKM equipped - sees you first, you're gonna lose that firefight.

[Strega]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

I don't like getting PKM sniped from 500 yeards, that just doesn't make sense.

[Leki]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

The support class has been tweaked to much and are now overpowered. close / medium / long range the PKM works too good and going prone is no problem as you just hit Z and instantly shoot. For the people that say support is now just used by the noob tubers and 12 year old people with no skill then thats crap....its used a lot more now because its overpowered. i used to play medic 90% of the time before and was skillful as that class, now i play support more. You would be stupid to not use a much better gun/class and to instead use a crap one.

[Daz]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

No.

First of all the PKM does the same damage as the SVD because they both take the same 7.62x54R rounds, and this was the same before the patch.

Its not like its unrealistic, a PKM would rip you to peices.

Yeah its annoying because now its made better, any old noob can pick it up and use it well. Where as before It was harder to master and most people never used it.

In a way I wish they put all the weapons accuracy etc back, because the G3 and the support weapons I did just fine with before.

[Leki]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

Pssst... Adapt!

The other guns changed too. Snipers are now great for picking off support guys. The G3 is a deadly tool on the field now. If you think the PKM is an arse kicker, you should definatly give the G3 a shot. Takes a bit more finesse, but it's deadly. Even better when you've got some point hungery support guys around.

The PKM is the new assault...its much better than the G3 if you compare the weapon stats. G3 only really wins at standing and shooting and has a slightly better ROF but the PKM wins in everything else.... if i had a G3 i would prone to shoot a medium to long range target anyway.

[imported_Tumbler]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

...and the downsides of playing support:

• You are only really accurate from prone. You can't move fast while prone, so you are a sitting duck if spotted.

Yes ok I know that actually the PKM is pretty accurate from crouched too, this should be changed slightly. Also, I think I support soldier should have no sprint at all, or very, very limited. Think of the weight on the guys back. He should be a powerful soldier, look at his machine gun! But to counter that, his mobility should not be as good as an assualt class soldier.

Just my opinion. Nothing will be changed anyway, so you're wasting your time typing I am sorry to say.

I think a better solution would be to have him sling his weapon while sprinting. There is a lot of movement on the ground and not being able to run would probably just make all the support players frustrated. If he slings the weapon, then sprints, then after he's done has to take a moment to ready the weapon that woudl fine, definitely leave the sprint as is, but take away his weapon temporarily so a sprinting support guy would be easy pickings.

[Strega]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

I think a better solution would be to have him sling his weapon while sprinting. There is a lot of movement on the ground and not being able to run would probably just make all the support players frustrated. If he slings the weapon, then sprints, then after he's done has to take a moment to ready the weapon that woudl fine, definitely leave the sprint as is, but take away his weapon temporarily so a sprinting support guy would be easy pickings.

You can't just 'sling' a PKM, a 60, a 249, etc. They are carried by a handle on top (usually). I think they should just remove sprinting entirely from the support class, you're just too damn heavy to do it with any believable duration.

[Busa]

Re: This has got to be a goddamned JOKE.

What would you prefer to be killed with?

We aim to please after all.