Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

[eastcoasthandle]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

I don't like this idea, the BH is a transport helo not an assualt gunship with 2 man turret mounts. Some people simply don't understand thats what the Hind, Cobra, Z-10, etc are for. Increasing weapons damage on the BH is a bad idea if you ask me. The BH has always been a point farming tool and if the weapons are increased,once again it will be a team spawn killing, point farming tool. Everyone becomes a engineer again...The lines for the BH were longer the jets. Heck, I even recall people ditching jets to get at the BH. Undoing what I consider to be a "right decision when nerfed" will only create more unbalancing issues.

For example,
-4 people can total own the Mashtuur map because all you would need is a pilot
2 gun-men, and 1 individual to cap the flag. All flags will be capped in a matter of minutes until the armor can get to them.
-You would need to increase the firing rate and power of the Mi-17Hip and Z-8. Come on give me a break here! If you want to talk about a weak weapon there's your weak weapon right there. Even nerfed the Mi's 17's & Z-8 weapons are no match for those gatlin guns on the BH. But no one is complaining about that chopper are they? Come on...this comes of as bias...

While we are on the subject I want to talk briefly about the Cobra vs Mi-28 Havok on the Sharqi Pen. map. I mean if I want to watch a good comedy that would be it right there. It's like PeeWee vs Mike in a 10 round bout. Isn't the Z-10 more appropriate attack helicopter for that map?

[RocketChild]

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:hmm: The big problem was there was nothing for the other teamm equal to the Blackhawk. If they had the Mi-17 had always had explosive tipped rounds which behave differently to how the BH damage occured, I think you would have had an equal balance. But, because the BH from the intro of the game was unmatched, it became the wrong target. They should have updated the other transports to match the BH, not gimp it to the point of uselessness.

While we are on the subject I want to talk briefly about the Cobra vs Mi-28 Havok on the Sharqi Pen. map. I mean if I want to watch a good comedy that would be it right there. It's like PeeWee vs Mike in a 10 round bout. Isn't the Z-10 more appropriate attack helicopter for that map?

You might want to note that the Cobra is an ancient platform. The Marines have not moved to something new. Like how they are going to continue using the M-16 instead of the rifle that the Army is moving towards.

[eastcoasthandle]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

:hmm: The big problem was there was nothing for the other teamm equal to the Blackhawk. If they had the Mi-17 had always had explosive tipped rounds which behave differently to how the BH damage occured, I think you would have had an equal balance. But, because the BH from the intro of the game was unmatched, it became the wrong target. They should have updated the other transports to match the BH, not gimp it to the point of uselessness.



You might want to note that the Cobra is an ancient platform. The Marines have not moved to something new. Like how they are going to continue using the M-16 instead of the rifle that the Army is moving towards.

Yeah I can understand what you are saying about keep the appearance on par with what's known. 1 suggestion would be to add splash damge to the gatlin gun but only do 1/3 the splash damage as the Mi-17Hip. This would balance out the faster gun fire rate of the gatlin vs the slower more powerful weapon on the Mi-17Hip

[RocketChild]

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Yeah I can understand what you are saying about keep the appearance on par with what's known. 1 suggestion would be to add splash damge to the gatlin gun but only do 1/3 the splash damage as the Mi-17Hip. This would balance out the faster gun fire rate of the gatlin vs the slower more powerful weapon on the Mi-17Hip

Right, I was thinking just have a good spash on the BH like it was, just make the slower Mi-17 gun have a better explosive tip, much like the Mi-28 has. I love that pop-pop-pop-pop-pop-pop sound :p

[eastcoasthandle]

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Right, I was thinking just have a good spash on the BH like it was, just make the slower Mi-17 gun have a better explosive tip, much like the Mi-28 has. I love that pop-pop-pop-pop-pop-pop sound :p

no...i wasn't talking about the BH, leave it as is. :evil: :locked:

[Mr Pmosh]

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If IO is going to be ranked give us the Black Hawk again. The one's that dont like it could go and play IO.

[[GCA]Tim270]

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i want the orginal hwk back, serious i used to find it more fun being awere and having to take cover when i saw or herd a hawk , or chasing it with eryx's

but in films like blk hwk down the guns totaly own , yes it may be a transport helo but it has the fighting capabillity of a small fortress bring it back!!!!

[Roger Smith]

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it has the fighting capabillity of a small fortress bring it back!!!!

in 1.0 it did. otherwise no way. irl, a single rpg will devistate a blackhawk. in bf2 as is, its quite strong, and with the right crew can be quite deadly.

what i dont get about the whole helicopter debate, is why you people think helicopters should be so tough to take down. shouldnt you have to avoid certain areas to maintain saftey? shouldnt you have to be aware of your surroundings and be able to manuver against and away from threats?

about transport helicopter armerments. ok, lets say the blackhawk gets a spooky c130 gunship gattling gun again like in 1.0. what the hell would you give the hippo to compensate for a high rate of fire with splash damage? and to balance helicopter to ground combat, do pkms and m95s do big damage on helis again?

you people with your blackhawk, you dont want a fair fight thats for sure.

[[GCA]Tim270]

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well last time i checked the whale(mec chopper) is not as good in any the blk hwk , thats life armys have sucky equipment , i just want a realistic version of it , and yes i think it should be made weaker to ground rocket fire .

[eastcoasthandle]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

If you want the black hawk then give us back our PKM and give us a gatlin gun with splash damage as a unlock option. This isn't real life right? So, it doesn't matter how unrealistic it is for a man running around the map like Jesse from Predator with his 800 round Gatlin gun leveling the playing field muhuhahahah.

I mean seriously, if you going all out increasing weapon strength for the BH you mind as well bump up the rest. We don't want to play favorites now do we! While your add it I want 1 SAM at every spawn point on maps like Sharqi that take out any Air Assets in 2 shots. If you don't know how to properly pilot the BH, tough. There is more to piloting this hovering over an enemy base spawn raping. Then and only then give them what they want out of the base raping, point farming, team spawn killing BH. Yeah, like that would ever happen...

[Mr Pmosh]

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Two BF2 maps where designed for the black hawk and the others transport heli. Shongua and Mashtur. Nobody play those two maps. Give us back the Black Hawk and beef up the other transport heli so they be equal. When Dice changed the caping the flags with only one person inside a vehicle they fixed the unbalance. Now the team has to get off the BH to take a flag making it vulnarable to attack. It was fun and it involve teamplay. No one alone could get the BH and make points.

[EliteRazgriz666]

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Well the minguns should weak havoc jus because they r miniguns. Enough said...

[ConscriptVirus]

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eh....FIRST we were complaining about how the BH was too powerful, now we're complaining that its too weak. i think theyre fine right now and another change will make ppl complain. the BH is a transport heli, not a gun/raise all heck transport. and sure the armor mite seem weak, but if a vodnik is shoots at u, then u should be able to bail out.

[eastcoasthandle]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

eh....FIRST we were complaining about how the BH was too powerful, now we're complaining that its too weak. i think theyre fine right now and another change will make ppl complain. the BH is a transport heli, not a gun/raise all heck transport. and sure the armor mite seem weak, but if a vodnik is shoots at u, then u should be able to bail out.

If someone in a vodnik or humvee is shooting at you and your to busy point farming to notice then you should be blown out the sky.

[Roger Smith]

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If someone in a vodnik or humvee is shooting at you and your to busy point farming to notice then you should be blown out the sky.

so freaking true!