Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

[MalikLah]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Squad hopping enables spawn points to be placed anywhere on the map at any time, which is hardly fair and I'm sure it wasn't DICE's intention in the first place. If your clan has progressed by exploiting this lowly tactic, it's your own fault. Sending one man around the back is one thing, but when one map produces countless numbers of infantry, it's really unfair. It's fair enough for the defence to let a sniper slip round the back, but before you know it they have to deal with an infinite number of troops who constantly hop squad positions. Squad leaders should stay squad leaders, if the squad leader leaves the squad the squad is disbanded. I think that'll solve all these exploits and make people value their squad leaders and maybe protect them.

[TGL|Badlizzard]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

meh, I had a few replies typed but flogging dead horses isn't that important to me.

que sera sera

[ACE4U]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

If you think changing this will suddenly make all these brainless noobs keep near their SLs - well, think again. More likely, people wont bother with this whole squad business at all. That will not add anything to the gameplay, noobs will still be wiped out by skilled players (if they stay with this crap, that is).

Ognacy

p.s. Ghost Recon demo is out. Thats where my money goes. DICE and BF franchise director can go stick BF2142 and AF up their collective rear exit.

No, it will create for more teamwork if you have to stay with in your same squad. Only the comander should be able to move squad members among the squads to meet the needs of an attack or defense.

So everyone stop crying about the fix, because a real soldier adapts and overcomes....not whine.

The only way to affect this change is to boycott the new EP that is coming out AF. You get businesses attention when you talk money and if majority of people do not want the fix, then you should sign a petition of refusal to purchase AF or any other future BF2 related games. That is how you get EA's attention. So, have fun and sign your petition, because all they care about is how much revenue they can make from all their games such as Sims2, Madden 06 and so on and so on. I think this thread is quite funny. Trying to play politics with a business such as EA....:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: .

By the way, have they listen to any of your complaints on this forum yet, which are too many to list, no! So go ahead and sign the petition and enjoy the 1.3 fix of no squad hopping:laugh: .

[Sadistic_1]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Like I've mentioned elsewhere, when this patch comes out and SH is gone, the clans will find a new way to do business. It will eventually make it's way into the public servers and there will be countless numbers of threads like this one complaining about "exploit" tactics being used.

Clans will always find the shortcuts and pubbers will always complain about it.

[Auto-ER-]

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Clans will always find the shortcuts and pubbers will always complain about it.

You think random pubbers don't use it, and that all clans can do?

I hate to break it to some of you, but playing the game well incompasses more than one skill or tactic. Top clans in ladders don't win because they squadhop, or dolphin dive, those are just things that happen, that everyone is doing. Guess what, they can actually play, and generally are going to whip your ass inside and out in a firefight. Getting to the top of a ladder isn't just using "exploits", you actually have to be able to kill the enemy once you spawn on you new squadleader in a fight.

Anyone that thinks this being removed is going to give you some ground back in a firefight with seasoned vets are sorely mistaken. Just like the last patch, the guys that are good only got better, those that weren't started a million threads about how XXX is still over/under powered.

[Red Devil]

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As I've said elsewhere, I squad hop all the time and think it should be removed.

It's not used so much to give you ground back, but to maintain your position.

The reason squad hopping is used is because most SL's charge headlong into battle instead of using their heads.

Removing or limiting it will force the SL's to hang back and not charge in to certain death all the time and make them have more Situational Awareness and give move orders based on the Commander input, plus will make them call for Arty and UAV more before they move their squads in.

When I'm SL, I hang back and pump out med/ammo packs for my guys, call in Arty/UAV/Supplies for them (they can request UAV/Supplies/Arty from SL too). They suffer less deaths and more kills becasue they are not spending time re-spawning and hoofing back to the zone because I got myself killed, I get supply points, and I keeps my guys alive/supplied and safe and they keep moving.

It was smart of people to use squad hopping to maintain their position, but removing/limiting it will make them even smarter.

[Sadistic_1]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

You think random pubbers don't use it, and that all clans can do?

I hate to break it to some of you, but playing the game well incompasses more than one skill or tactic. Top clans in ladders don't win because they squadhop, or dolphin dive, those are just things that happen, that everyone is doing. Guess what, they can actually play, and generally are going to whip your ass inside and out in a firefight. Getting to the top of a ladder isn't just using "exploits", you actually have to be able to kill the enemy once you spawn on you new squadleader in a fight.

Anyone that thinks this being removed is going to give you some ground back in a firefight with seasoned vets are sorely mistaken. Just like the last patch, the guys that are good only got better, those that weren't started a million threads about how XXX is still over/under powered.

You misunderstood my post. I agree with you. Those that are good will stay good. Those that aren't....well we'll see.

[Ognacy]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

No, it will create for more teamwork if you have to stay with in your same squad. Only the comander should be able to move squad members among the squads to meet the needs of an attack or defense.

So everyone stop crying about the fix, because a real soldier adapts and overcomes....not whine.

The only way to affect this change is to boycott the new EP that is coming out AF. You get businesses attention when you talk money and if majority of people do not want the fix, then you should sign a petition of refusal to purchase AF or any other future BF2 related games. That is how you get EA's attention. So, have fun and sign your petition, because all they care about is how much revenue they can make from all their games such as Sims2, Madden 06 and so on and so on. I think this thread is quite funny. Trying to play politics with a business such as EA....:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: .

You are quite right - EA as a whole does not care about minuscule profits AF might bring. At the same time, however, there are people within EA who do care. A brand manager (or franchise director, or whatever) has targets to meet, indexes-vs-game-ago to keep above 100% and so on. If 1000 or whatever people dont buy AF because they are ****ed off with EA - that should show up on the radar. Having said that, I agree that this petition was not the best way to handle the situation and that it might not make any difference. Petitions never seemed to work with DICE, anyway.

By the way, have they listen to any of your complaints on this forum yet, which are too many to list, no! So go ahead and sign the petition and enjoy the 1.3 fix of no squad hopping:laugh: .

Well, PKM nerfing, AA fixing and then nerfing again was all requested by whiners on this and other forums. So yeah, they kind of listen but very selectively.

Ognacy

[Auto-ER-]

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The reason squad hopping is used is because most SL's charge headlong into battle instead of using their heads.

Removing or limiting it will force the SL's to hang back and not charge in to certain death all the time and make them have more Situational Awareness and give move orders based on the Commander input, plus will make them call for Arty and UAV more before they move their squads in.

So, you think that simply changing a game dynamic is going to magically change the way people play? All of a sudden they are going to understand "tactics" and not want to get a better score, or want to fight less for their team? Doubt it, but then gain, I'm a pessemist.

Personally, I see it causing more disorganization and less teamwork in pubs. It's going to slow the game, and while that may be good for some, it isn't for many.


I like seeing the whole, tactics, teamwork, this and that isn't fair. Try that **** in the real military you'll get sent home with a boot in your ass and told to suck up and drive.

[spartan915]

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It's not so much that they are stating their opinion, it's the way they're doing it.

Sad but true, this sums up the content of a lot of the threads on this forum these days. It's hard to even state an opinion without people starting the flame wars.

Gotta dissagree with you on this point. I think the pub players will have some pressure taken off 'em through this. In my experiance, casual/pub players usually don't cycle or hop much.

That's because most aren't in squads:laugh:. An example last night, I with one clan member were playing a round on wake as the US. We had the other team pushed into the North Base flag. With no other flags a one of the members of the other team swam out to the US arty island to C4 the arty guns. First off why that was there first priority I don't know but they could have formed a squad and taken the boats to the other side of the island. Person didn't form a aquad and was killed. Not saying a full squad would have done better but we will never know. But I'm not generalizing just giving an example. So use it some don't why take away something that everyone is aware of and could do if they wanted to.

Squad hopping enables spawn points to be placed anywhere on the map at any time, which is hardly fair and I'm sure it wasn't DICE's intention in the first place. If your clan has progressed by exploiting this lowly tactic, it's your own fault. Sending one man around the back is one thing, but when one map produces countless numbers of infantry, it's really unfair. It's fair enough for the defence to let a sniper slip round the back, but before you know it they have to deal with an infinite number of troops who constantly hop squad positions. Squad leaders should stay squad leaders, if the squad leader leaves the squad the squad is disbanded. I think that'll solve all these exploits and make people value their squad leaders and maybe protect them.

Once again another example of a person that is quick to generalize and stereotype a group of players. Lowly tactic, exploits not what Dice intended. It's been in the game from from the beginning. Also before talking for Dice or putting down very skilled players based on YOUR opinion read your Battlefield 2 manuel. Under SQUADS;

"As long as he's living and your team has atleast one control point, you and other squad members can access a special spawn point at his location.

NOTE: When you leave a squad that you created, your first assigned squad member takes command of the squad."

There it is right out of the BF2 manuel. You have the right to state an opinion just wish you were more mature about it.

[LoganX]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

...NOTE: When you leave a squad that you created, your first assigned squad member takes command of the squad."

There it is right out of the BF2 manuel. You have the right to state an opinion just wish you were more mature about it.

Just because it says it there doesn't mean that it was meant to be used the way it is now.
Those are the most general of instructions stating that if you leave your created squad someone else will take over.
Remember what I said before about their testing teams. Do you really think anyone at EA/DICE was playing the game they way the public or the comp teams are playing it?? Hell no. They were playing it the way they designed it. They way they envisioned the gameplay. No one ever in their wildest dreams thought the SL Spawn function would be brought to this level.

[Auto-ER-]

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Just because it says it there doesn't mean that it was meant to be used the way it is now.
Those are the most general of instructions stating that if you leave your created squad someone else will take over.

Well, what's funny about those general instructions, and the squad, divide and form two squads command, is that it makes the "never intended" argument weaker and weaker.

[LoganX]

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I notice you conveniently left out the last part of my statement where I explained why the instructions were so 'general'.

[Auto-ER-]

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The instructions are general, because thousands of different people play the game thousands of different ways and for thousands of different reasons. Of course EA/DICE testers couldn't have known everyway the game would take shape, just like Henry Ford had no idea that there would be superways and HOV lanes.

You can't assume that they had intent one way or the other. Hindsidght is always 20/20, and maybe they didn't intend for it to be used exactly like it is now, but they left the system as it was, and offered ideas that lead in that direction. The players are the ones that decided which way it was going.

[vbl]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

I'll report my take here, in short:

1. No one asked for this change
2. It's going to hurt small, 2-3 man squads the most and limit their ability to pick up slack from the all-too-common clueless teammates on pubs
3. Maps like Dalian Plant, Wake Island, and to a lesser extent Gulf of Oman will be harder for the US
4. It's a very drastic change that will affect how some people have played the game, without objection, since Day 1