Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

[LoganX]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

If the squad or Squads that set out to perform a function (take a flag) fail in their task, using the SL spawning system to "artificially" keep the squad alive AND/OR bring in more reinforcements from other areas on the battlefield IMO goes against everything that is/was/will be Battlefield.

It's an entirely different gameplay.

Battlefield was always more about ground tactics and slower gameplay that the other Online FPS games. The whole Conquest gametype went against everything else that was on the market. BF set itself apart from a whole genre of games because of it's different and again slower gameplay.

Many of the pro-hoppers claim that the hopping keeps the pace of the game up. Well that's not what BF is about to many many people. Maybe for your precious comp teams everything needs to be fast and furious but that is not how the majority of people play.

[Snypynfool]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Quote:
Originally Posted by Painboy
When BF2 was released I didn't care for the squad hopping. I certainly didn't like losing to the first clans who perfected it's use .


Its like this...

Someone else uses it better then me so nerf it...

What's next...

Vehicles with engineer driver should not be able to repair each other..... As in 2 tanks rolling side by side constantly repairing one another...
Because they are better then the "players" who haven't figured it out....


There is NEVER going to be ANYTHING FAIR OR EVEN about BF2...

I love being called a hack just cause I kicked someones A$S in the JET... REPEATEDLY.....over and over and over...

The jet is what I'm good at and have focused on...IT is my intention to shoot you down, bomb you, and slice you in 1/2 on a low carrier pass...


My point is this... Someone is always better then you or me... ALWAYS.

And WHO* REALLY KNOWS THE ORIGINAL INTENTIONS of the Manufactures....
Thats the original intentions... I don't think they care until enough babies whine about it.....


* I do.... TO MAKE MONEY... AND MORE MONEY WITH WEAK EXPANSIONS....

[Pilioka]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

how many people have read all that then
lol

I read it all and it was the best post about the issue. There is no need for anything in patch 1.3 except for fixing the red name tag bug or maybe the bug where you can't make squads. Maybe instead of changing the game entirely they could create a new map and not just rip off an old one?

[(EWC)HisChadness]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

I read it all and it was the best post about the issue. There is no need for anything in patch 1.3 except for fixing the red name tag bug or maybe the bug where you can't make squads. Maybe instead of changing the game entirely they could create a new map and not just rip off an old one?

Agreed. This patch needs to address bugs that have been affecting the gameplay since day 1, as well as the bugs created post patch madness.

Yeah new maps would be nice, and please don't tell me to go buy EURO Force or Armored Fury. An infantry based map or two with only light vehicles would be great. Of course that will never happen.

[MrBrown]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Nope, didn't overlook anything. THere would still be no point in spliting a squad if you can't have re-enforcements spawning on them, as they are still only 6 players.

You even overlook it when I rub your nose in it. If you split your squad, each half of the squad will have it's own squadleader and can act independently. Hell, even without squadleader spawning it would make sense, when using VoIP it can make sense just for communication reasons (a helo crew having their own squad isn't the worst idea then as they should talk a lot).

You can have a group of lonewolves stay together an entire match and not be in the same squad.

I don't think this will happen without squadhopping. Removing squadhopping encourages staying together with the same people for some period of time and learning how to work together effectively.

The whole Conquest gametype went against everything else that was on the market. BF set itself apart from a whole genre of games because of it's different and again slower gameplay.

That's true. Conquest with squadhopping in BF2 feels like playing deathmatch. Die, respawn, back to the action!

[Sadistic_1]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

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how many people have read all that then
lol:salute:

I did and it was worth the read. He makes some very good points.

Your post however was worthless.

[MrBrown]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Quote from the petition:

Addition: To explain the actual meaning of how proffesional clan wars would be with a commander but without squadjumping this is what would happen: Team A makes a push towards a flag. Team B's commander will have them spotted in seconds (long before they reach the flag) and all the players in team B will spawn on the flag and kill the push.

This doesn't sound like a "proffesional" (sorry I never moan about spelling in forum postings, but for a petition it's written quite badly) point of view to me. If the defenders all gather around a single flag your own commander can put artillery on them, you can attack two flags at once so that the enemy has to split his forces too. Then one half of the squad does a fake attack and spawns on their squadleader to support the "real" attack.
Overall attacking should be more difficult than defending, that's the heart of the conquest game mode and the meaning of the flags. Squadleader spawning is enough to counter the commander's ability to spot, squadhopping isn't needed for balanced gameplay.

Here are some selected quotes from the CAL 8v8 Open Division forums:

I will be glad to see squad hopping gone. This game has lost a lot of the strategic element. Just being able to keep spawning on someone instead of having to regroup, plan attacks and coordinate attacks has taken away a lot of the competitive edge for the game.

Yeah, squad hopping can be a very effective strategic element, but it is not realistic and imo has changed the nature of Battlefield to be more of a ooh, how can i stay alive so i can have 5 guys on me instead of regrouping and thinking intelligently about an attack.

I like getting rid of squad hopping personally. I'll miss always being able to spawn right into the action, but it will take a lot more skill to attack now, and will be more about playing smart than just overwhelming the enemy by spawning in 6 guys at once.

But most of all I'm sick of leaving and joining squads all match all the time.

By fun you mean having 6/7 guys die, one survive b/c he hides in a corner, and then having your entire team spawn on him b/c you cant sustain attacks, you can only get lucky by dying a lot and then spawning back 20 feet closer to the flag.

Yeah....

I prefer coordinate attacks/defenses which require actual troop movements, instead of delayed spawn bull****.

If im reading this right the patch wont KILL "squad spawning". Realistically it will just encourage your squad leader to be more careful. Instead of the squad leader rushing a base to jump on the flag, he will stay just off to the side in a "safer" spot to continue to let guys spawn on him. What it WILL do is prevent 5 guys in jeeps going to different locations, and whichever one lives has everyone spawn on him. I think overall the gameplay will be improved because of this. Little less rambo, alot more strategy.

Well to EA this fix is restoring the game to how they meant it to be played at. I think how we used squad hopping was in a way they never intended. So they prolly looked at it as a mistake and now are quietly trying to fix and list it as a minor patch fix. C4 chucking was about the same way. People found a way to use it in a mannor that EA never intended. I agree with this fix.

Of course there are other opinions too, but so much for "you have just spit in the face of the entire professional BF2 community".

[Painboy]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Of course there are other opinions too, but so much for "you have just spit in the face of the entire professional BF2 community".

Like I said, it was poorly written. The guy who wrote is a hard core gamer. I'm just happy it's actually legible and isn't riddled with leet speek. If I had a choice it would be certainly more polished, filled with less broad generalizations like "entire community" and be less ranty overall. But I don't. I do hope the number of people signing will maybe make DICE pause and make them really think this thru and try to come up with a more reasonable solution to the issue.

[solodude23]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Haha...sign it. Right....

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Actually, if a squad of non hoppers went against the hoppers, they wouldn't have a problem beating them if they know what they are doing.
I could easily lead a squad that could beat the hoppers because everytime you hop, for one, you spawn when someone else hasn't, so you either go in alone one by one, or spawn in with all the same kits. I can imagine 4 AT guys spawning in on the SL, which makes them pretty much fodder for a squad balanced with 2 meds, 1-2 assault, 1 AT, and 1 support.

I have been a squad leader for half the time I have been playing this game since it came out, and have a lot of points from staying with my squad and leading them. I do charge in first most of the time and still get a lot of kills. If you want points as a SL, either medic, support with ammo and cover fire, or stay bacj a little and pick off targets while your men move in.

Seriously, I am tired of the clan community acting like they are better than everyone because they are in CAL or something. Not to be cocky or anything, but I am better than most of them from pubbing alone because they are the ones that had to resort to C4 chucking, noob tubing, or squad hopping in order to win.

If I had a squad that stayed and moved together with a good diversity of classes, I could easily get them to dominate the squad hoppers if they followed me. Once I know the hoppers are attacking, I just put up a good defense and let them attack while we rape them.

After the first attack, your chances of taking the flag go down greatly since the enemy is now away of your presence in the area, will stay around a little bit longer, and knows what direction you are coming from. If you want to take a flag, you need to get their quickly and eliminate the enemy before more spawn, or move in slowly then quickly attack when in range. Like i said, the first shot is really the only one that counts. After that, regrouping or spawning on the squad leader is a lot harder.

I only believe these tactics work because clans don't use any authentic tactics or their opponent doesn't know how to counter it. In pubs though, it is a somewhat different story because it is harder to organize people and teach them tactics, but it can still work.

And most of the time, when you spawn on another person, they may not be able to effectively lead you as oppose to the first SL.

[one ill mother]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

This whole "debate" is no different than the countless ones made over "/kill" in the various quake engine games.

"Squad hopping" is a tactically smart move and is an essential tool in a more competitive gaming atmosphere (leagues and so forth).

However that said, like "/kill", when used by these players in public servers, the "I play for fun not to win" crowd predictably expresses their disdain for the tactic.

Regardless, it is an essential part of competitive bf2 play and should not be removed.

In all fairness, does it really make that big of an impact on public servers?

In all the time I have been playing this game, I have yet to see an "omg f***ing squad hopper!11" comment from a single player.

I seriously see this "issue" as just another page in the “ok that got nerfed, what can we bitch about now?" chapter of bf2.

[Tranzphat]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

They need to stop changing the basic mechanics of the game. This is getting really old. If they actually worked on fixing the real problems like rockets passing through vehicles and TOW missles tha fail to fire on the first shot.

But none of the changes to the basic mechanics have improved the game. Some of the kits fixing was reasonble like unerfing the support class but someone has simple gone design crazy. It is really hurting the game more than it is helping.

It may make all the whiners at Total BF2 happy but...

[Paas]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

They need to stop changing the basic mechanics of the game. This is getting really old. If they actually worked on fixing the real problems like rockets passing through vehicles and TOW missles tha fail to fire on the first shot.

But none of the changes to the basic mechanics have improved the game. Some of the kits fixing was reasonble like unerfing the support class but someone has simple gone design crazy. It is really hurting the game more than it is helping.

It may make all the whiners at Total BF2 happy but...

How is the removal of squad hopping hurting the game? ...other than clan matches (The minority) nothing is really given the shaft.

So. Fix it so that the public players can enjoy the game more. Especially since it was not the original intent of DICE.

{WP}Paas

[Pilioka]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

How is the removal of squad hopping hurting the game? ...other than clan matches (The minority) nothing is really given the shaft..

It will hurt my pubbing ALOT. It will be the most hurtful patch to pubbers. Now I can't play with my friends/clanmates because we can't spawn on each other.

Now go take your noobish ways back to CS or some other stupid game and leave BF2 alone.

[Ruhanga]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

It will hurt my pubbing ALOT. It will be the most hurtful patch to pubbers. Now I can't play with my friends/clanmates because we can't spawn on each other.

I say what? Yes you can spawn to your friends if one of them is a Sqaud leader, how does this patch stop you from doing it?