Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

[Alcorr]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

EA is stupid, they fix things that doesn't bother people (squad hopping), yet they don't fix the things that does bother people (name tag color), how pathetic.

What he said: ^^^

Choosing someone as a spawnpoint at a enemy flag, quickly cap that flag with him, get killed and spawn somewhere else afterwards is not what I'd call teamwork.

Why not? Its helping out your team, you are working as a team....lol how much more teamworky can it be? See a place you need to be? Join a squad and spawn...its better than spawning and walking all the way across the whole dam map...

[Ghilleman]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Well, since squad-hopping seems to be an issue of teamwork, why don't we all do the medic congo instead? that has LOTS of teamwork involved.

[MrBrown]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Why not? Its helping out your team, you are working as a team....lol how much more teamworky can it be? See a place you need to be? Join a squad and spawn...its better than spawning and walking all the way across the whole dam map...

Well it's just that some people don't consider that "kangaroo" style of gameplay teamwork.
For "how much more teamworky can it be" just read the rest of my previous posting or wait for V1.3

[Brindled]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

ive read many of your adjectives describing "squadhopping" mrbrown, and i dont agree with your labels. there is only so much the developers can remove from this game before it is no longer the game people originally purchased. EA is shooting themselves in the proverbial 'foot.'

[Alcorr]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Well it's just that some people don't consider that "kangaroo" style of gameplay teamwork.
For "how much more teamworky can it be" just read the rest of my previous posting or wait for V1.3

Well real teamwork IN GENERAL, is organized i.e. clans (or just people that know each other and play together) and most clans just form 1 or 2 squads and continually spawn on 1 or 2 squad leaders anyways, hopping across the map to some random squad isn't exactly very popular as far as organized teamwork goes.

As far as leaving and rejoining goes, I could care less, just kill every player in squad and you won't have the problem anymore.

The biggest problem here to me is that when there is someone across the map needing support i can't spawn on them I will have to wait till im dead AGAIN to spawn or just walk a million miles to them....this WILL be very annoying...

[MrBrown]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Well real teamwork IN GENERAL, is organized i.e. clans (or just people that know each other and play together) and most clans just form 1 or 2 squads and continually spawn on 1 or 2 squad leaders anyways, hopping across the map to some random squad isn't exactly very popular as far as organized teamwork goes.

Usually in a war a clan makes every person a squadleader (at least in 8vs8 and especially in 5vs5 infantry matches). I mean, why should you restrict the number of mobile spawn points for your team? Of course you can choose to use "safe spawns", people who stay back as a safe spawnpoint as the name says. But still it's nice to have as many alternative SL spawnpoints as possible in the case a safe spawn dies. And you can spawn directly into the flag radius if anyone manages to get there while you are dead.

But with squadhopping removed I hope that the "1 or 2 (or 3) squadleaders" type of gameplay will become more popular as the other clan can't beat you with a 8 squadleader setup anymore.

[Auto-ER-]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

But with squadhopping removed I hope that the "1 or 2 (or 3) squadleaders" type of gameplay will become more popular as the other clan can't beat you with a 8 squadleader setup anymore.

Yes they can. You seem to want to define teamwork, as what happens in game, and exclude what the players are doing. 8 SL's attacking is just as effective as 2 squads of 4, especially if they are on TS/vent. You can't confine teamwork in a dynamic cooperative game like this to simply tactics in game.

Teamwork isn't simply Harry flanking left with paul, and having Tom and **** flank right with Timmy bringing up the rear. Teamwork is people working together, whether in game, or over voip towards a goal.


A like people bringing up the "people only do it to increase their score" line of BS. Give me break. Yea, people want to score well, it's a game. But For every point you get, you do something for your team. Kill someone +2 points - one enemy ticket, heal/revive someone +1/+2 points, save your team a ticket. I LOVE armor/plane helo whores on my team, especially whe they are good at it. Whoring 4 teh win.

[imported_JoeMango]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Have a listen to the latest BF2 podcast.

http://ia310321.eu.archive.org/2/items/bf-podcast-apr-30-2006-episode-4/bf-podcast-apr-30-2006-episode-4.mp3

The discussion is 23 Minutes 15 Seconds into the show.

[18Zulukiller]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Have a listen to the latest BF2 podcast.

http://ia310321.eu.archive.org/2/items/bf-podcast-apr-30-2006-episode-4/bf-podcast-apr-30-2006-episode-4.mp3

The discussion is 23 Minutes 15 Seconds into the show.

I'm downloading it now to see what he says.

[MrBrown]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Yes they can. You seem to want to define teamwork, as what happens in game, and exclude what the players are doing. 8 SL's attacking is just as effective as 2 squads of 4, especially if they are on TS/vent. You can't confine teamwork in a dynamic cooperative game like this to simply tactics in game.

But if squadhopping is removed it would be quite stupid to make EVERY person a squadleader, because squadleaders won't be able to spawn on other squadleaders anymore - only with an additional suicide and 15 secs - while "normal" squadmembers could keep the action going immediately.

Teamwork isn't simply Harry flanking left with paul, and having Tom and **** flank right with Timmy bringing up the rear. Teamwork is people working together, whether in game, or over voip towards a goal.

Teamwork is working together. Just playing on the same battlefield, in the same team, working for the same goal, but only meeting accidentially once in a while doesn't count for me.

Of course clans can organize via TeamSpeak when they squadhop. It's essential. But pubbers don't have that option. As a consequence that people don't stick together but just use each other as spawn oppotunities, VoIP isn't used very often. VoIP is only useful for the whole team if the commander talks to some fixed squadleaders in the command channel while each squad can talk in it's "normal" channel.

I don't want to say "Now everybody has to play this way!" But obviously this is how DICE envisioned this game. Anyway, I wouldn't mind an option for those leagues who don't want to adapt to less reflexes and more tactics..

Have a listen to the latest BF2 podcast.

http://ia310321.eu.archive.org/2/items/bf-podcast-apr-30-2006-episode-4/bf-podcast-apr-30-2006-episode-4.mp3

The discussion is 23 Minutes 15 Seconds into the show.

Unfortunately the creators of this podcast didn't take the time to read a single of the dozens of threads about squadhopping, so they have no idea why this gets fixed and the discussion is very one-sided. A little bit investigation beforehand wouldn't have been the worst idea IMHO. Then they could at least have considered the anti-squadhopper's opinion in their discussion, even if not accepting it.

[imported_JoeMango]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

I doubt reading post's by anti squad hoppers would change their minds. A lot of people just don't see it as a problem. I'm just like them, it's what makes the game what it is, and i enjoy it and don't see the need for change.

For some reason, people can't see that a lot of players also have no problem with it. Which i honestly don't understand.

[MrBrown]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

I doubt reading post's by anti squad hoppers would change their minds. A lot of people just don't see it as a problem. I'm just like them, it's what makes the game what it is, and i enjoy it and don't see the need for change.

But they even ASK for people with another opinion should mail them.
They admit that they have absolutely no clue why this is fixed - not because they disagree, but because they really have absolutely no clue what this discussion is about. They are obviously looking for clues WHY it is removed. They would know plenty if they'd read this thread (or one of the many others around), but they didn't.

[TokenBrit]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

A far far better solution would have been to cap the number of squads based on how many players there are in game.
For example the maximum number of squads per team would be 1/3 of the number of players per team.
For all the talk about comp teams hating this, for me this will be the death of pubs. Teamwork is most often a total zero on pub games, and finding a SL who doesn't have his head up his own ass is effectively impossible. Therefore to get nice mobile spawns near the action you HAVE to squad hop. Especially in maps like wetlands it can take FOREVER to get to where the action is, unless you squad hop!
If you really dont want 8 mobile spawn points, my fix would cut it to 2 for squad matches which im sure you could deal with =P

[LoganX]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

A far far better solution would have been to cap the number of squads based on how many players there are in game.
For example the maximum number of squads per team would be 1/3 of the number of players per team.

That's actually a nice idea.

For all the talk about comp teams hating this, for me this will be the death of pubs. Teamwork is most often a total zero on pub games, and finding a SL who doesn't have his head up his own ass is effectively impossible. Therefore to get nice mobile spawns near the action you HAVE to squad hop. Especially in maps like wetlands it can take FOREVER to get to where the action is, unless you squad hop!

You're forgetting that you will still be able to hop it will just be more cumbersome to to. If there's a crappy SL you can still get out and go to another squad but the idea is now you're encouraged to stay in good squads and not hop around.
Good squads will learn to use teamwork and ground tactics to the best of their advantage instead of relying on hopping to win.
You will wind up see an improved player base of people who can take full advantage of a squad.
Hopping around actually destroys the cohesion of the squad system that EA/DICE tried to implement.

[MrBrown]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

No I don't like TokenBrit's solution. In clanmatches it would make squadhopping EVEN MORE inconvenient - but not impossible. That would be horrible IMHO.

You already have to do a lot of unnecessary clicks right now:
1. Go into the squadmenu
2. Look for a squadleader to spawn at
3. Change from the squadmenu (CAPS LOCK) to the spawnmenu (RETURN)
4. Choose your squadleader as a spawnpoint and spawn

Why didn't DICE make it so that EVERY squadleader is DIRECTLY choosable as a spawnpoint in the spawnmenu? Just imagine how convenient that would be: You see lots of mobile spawnpoints, choose one of those and if you spawn, you become a member of that squad automatically.

But it doesn't work this way, because it wasn't meant to be used that way. That you CAN use it the inconvenient way described above wasn't planned. That's why they're implementing a little fix with a big effect to correct it.