Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

I didn't even know they were addressing squad hopping: GOOD RIDDANCE.

[BigBadBob]

Re: Petition to save Battlefield 2

I dont get it.. what is the positive side of squad hopping? Just because you got used to it doesnt mean it is right or the original intention of dice. Stop the whining and play the game like it is supposed to be played.

Just beacuse you could spin yourself inside a building and make yourself invulnerable doesnt mean it is right. Just because you could jump around like a maniac evading all bullets doesnt mean it is right. Just because you could leap down and have a pinpoint accuracy with your PKM doesnt mean it is right, Just because ... well .. I hope you get my point ... Games evolve, Game Developers have to cope with missused tactics... get over it and adapt!

because EA has dumbed down this game enough as it is. Tanks are getting owned way too often (people whined they were overpowered), helicopter handling blows ass (people whined about DC being too hard).

People whine that with squad hopping, they have to work harder to make sure they killed all the enemies, or they may all spawn back and kill you. This game has already slowed down enough. What's going to happen now? There will be less fighting in the areas between bases. As if you get so far and can't squad hop, you will have to spawn back at a base, so what's the point?

EA is "fixing" this game by adding online Co-op (which has been done already and is only useful for training to fly or something) and removing squad hopping. But I can guarntee you, there will be more bugs incorporated in the 1.3 patch. And some of the ones that have been here since last June will probably still be here, but might get a little worse.

[Auto-ER-]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

You even overlook it when I rub your nose in it. If you split your squad, each half of the squad will have it's own squadleader and can act independently. Hell, even without squadleader spawning it would make sense, when using VoIP it can make sense just for communication reasons (a helo crew having their own squad isn't the worst idea then as they should talk a lot).

You are failing to understand what I am saying, and it's no wonder with your one dimensional thinking. Anyway instead of wasting my time trying to get you to understand what I am saying, I'll just leave it at what it is...a waste of time. If the little girls get their way, I hope they're finally happy and can stop ****ing with the game, oh, and I'll still be kicking your asses on the field.

[MrBrown]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Regardless, it is an essential part of competitive bf2 play and should not be removed.

In all fairness, does it really make that big of an impact on public servers?

No, I want it removed to make league play more interesting.
(And many CAL players do so too as you can see from the quotes from there I've posted above)

But on public servers it sucks, too. I hate people always waiting for a flag to turn grey, spawn at a squad there, take the capture assist point and then walk away (sometimes even without leaving ammo if it's a support).

You are failing to understand what I am saying, and it's no wonder with your one dimensional thinking. Anyway instead of wasting my time trying to get you to understand what I am saying, I'll just leave it at what it is...a waste of time. If the little girls get their way, I hope they're finally happy and can stop ****ing with the game, oh, and I'll still be kicking your asses on the field.

Sorry Auto-ER-, you managed to stay reasonable until now, but now your acting like a child that cannot accept that it failed to make a point.

You said there would be NO reason to split a squad without squadhopping. I clearly showed this is untrue. What you're saying now in other words: "I have no more arguments but I refuse to admit it."

[KIA_TheClash]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

and what about changing squadleadership ?

[Tranzphat]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

The fact is keeping it doesn't hurt public play, it dumbs the game down and once again slows the pace again. It effectively kills 5v5 Infantry only which on none Special Forces maps was already challenged on pacing.

Look EA can continue to noobie the game to the point and that no one wants to play it. Someone should tell EA the way to keep a game popular is to actually fix the actual bugs and release content (i.e. Valve) such as an occassional free map.

So how long until ETQW comes out?

...Many of the pro-hoppers claim that the hopping keeps the pace of the game up. Well that's not what BF is about to many many people. Maybe for your precious comp teams everything needs to be fast and furious but that is not how the majority of people play.

This coming form the guy that barely has a positive to K/D ratio. Really can you name a single decent team that agrees with your claim above? No? That's because your pulling rabbits out of your ass to defend your point.:laugh:

That slow, noobie style you seem to remember is part of why I never liked BF1942. BF2 is a nice medium paced shooter. If your reflexes are that slow (as your stats clearly reflect) may I suggest the new Ghost Recon game.:p

Mr Brown
You know Mr. Brown your CAL qoutes are meaningless unless you site players and teams. CAL has plenty of noob teams on their lists so unless you want to name the names it was pretty much a pointless post.

[MrBrown]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

The fact is keeping it doesn't hurt public play, it dumbs the game down and once again slows the pace again. It effectively kills 5v5 Infantry only which on none Special Forces maps was already challenged on pacing.

The game was written to be played with at least 16 people, using all vehicles available on the maps. By using the original maps, but not using the vehicles, some clans who play 5vs5 infantry only have created their own style of gameplay - and I don't want to judge that - but you can't expect EA/DICE to gear the game towards such a special way of playing the game.

The original maps were never designed to be played "infantry only". Squadhopping was not put into the game to compensate that. The poeple playing 5vs5 infantry should use a mod that suits to their needs, with maps specially designed for infantry gameplay, shorter ways between the flags, perhaps a completely different spawning technique etc etc...

That slow, noobie style you seem to remember is part of why I never liked BF1942. BF2 is a nice medium paced shooter.

The ability to spawn dead people right into the radius of a flag that still belongs to the enemy is absolutely ridiculous. You cannot call this "conquest" game mode anymore, it plays like deathmatch - all about reflexes, nothing about war tactics.

BF1942 was "slow paced", OK. The whole conquest gamemode was slow - but in this way it was different from everything else on the market and so it was a key factor to BF1942's great success.

If BF2 would have squadleader spawning but NO squadhopping, THEN it would be "medium paced" (as it will be in V1.3 hopefully).

But as it not only has squadleader spawning but also squadhopping and SL rotation it is "fast paced" like Quake on speed.

You know Mr. Brown your CAL qoutes are meaningless unless you site players and teams. CAL has plenty of noob teams on their lists so unless you want to name the names it was pretty much a pointless post.

You assume that people who are better (have a better K/D ratio or whatever) have the right to dictate the way the game goes and EA should only listen to them, but this is not MY point of view!

I didn't get these quotes from there to make a point. I've said the things they say multiple times here already. I got these quotes to show that even in the competetive community there's a debate about this topic.

The whole "the pros all think it's great and the n00bs all whine" story is utter bullsh1t.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

LOL, I love how the noobs are defending squad hopping because they say it is a valuable way of helping the tema of winning, yet they are the ones that never pass out ammo/medic packs, lone wolf, be snipers when they join a squad, and most importantly, play for points. I know this is not the case on clan matches which are the minority and really shouldn't be taken for their advice since they are the minority and already use dirty tactics in order to win anyway which are against the whole competetive thing.

But people don't care about helping their team win, they just spawn on people in order to get closer to the action without having to work their way up in a squad. Getting rid of it will actually help keep the fighting comtained to an area instead of it being a ring around the rosy of squads spawning across the whole map instead of actually moving their together. And moving in together and clearing the area before you get there is much more helpful to the team.

You can easily compare squad hopping to blackhawk whoring/vehicle whoring before the patch when everyone could cap a flag from within the safety of a vehicle. With squad hopping you are basically all spawning on the flag from one guy and then automatically leaving. That does not help the team because either they will cap it right back, or have to worry about fighting enemies from all sides instead of clearing them out like they should of in the begining.

[BirdKiller]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

The fact is keeping it doesn't hurt public play, it dumbs the game down and once again slows the pace again. It effectively kills 5v5 Infantry only which on none Special Forces maps was already challenged on pacing.

As if BF2 was designed to be played 5v5. Instead of blaming developers who are trying to steer the game the way it's meant to be played, how about the clans and the tournaments adjust the rules or not play this game at all? The question to some minds here seems to be a radical statement. Fact is, clan or tournament play should never dictate how the game should be played out. Sure, games could accomadate clan play such as an organized clan manager, friends list, and organized tournaments which is evident in several games. However, it should not favor toward these special groups over the gameplay/balance of the whole. Actually, the game should dictate how clans are to be operated and played. Whoever established that BF2 should be played with small # of players clearly does not appreciate the vastness and potential of BF2 at all.

It was this reason, the small player count, that I decided to cease all participation of clan gameplay and join 21CW where it actually plays on 32 vs. 32 players.

[Ruhanga]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

The fact is keeping it doesn't hurt public play, it dumbs the game down and once again slows the pace again. It effectively kills 5v5 Infantry only which on none Special Forces maps was already challenged on pacing.
Infantry is not a way some maps are meant to be played. Even the 16 player maps are ment that people use those jeeps, not to walk. I would say, go play inrantry matches on some other game, BFs have always been about vehicles in the gameplay.

Look EA can continue to noobie the game to the point and that no one wants to play it. Someone should tell EA the way to keep a game popular is to actually fix the actual bugs and release content (i.e. Valve) such as an occassional free map.
Wait a minute, name one patch where the Dev team has not fixed bugs. In every patch, about 5-10 bugs were fixed, so you statement does not hold water. And content can be bought, if you want it.

This coming form the guy that barely has a positive to K/D ratio. Really can you name a single decent team that agrees with your claim above? No? That's because your pulling rabbits out of your ass to defend your point.:laugh:

That slow, noobie style you seem to remember is part of why I never liked BF1942. BF2 is a nice medium paced shooter. If your reflexes are that slow (as your stats clearly reflect) may I suggest the new Ghost Recon game.:p
One of your argement is mostly placed on a personal insult, which never holds water. Judging people because of statics doesn't make you look any smarter. If nobody liked bf42, then why did BF have so huge communities behind it before bf2? Get a grip.

Mr Brown
You know Mr. Brown your CAL qoutes are meaningless unless you site players and teams. CAL has plenty of noob teams on their lists so unless you want to name the names it was pretty much a pointless post.
So? Point was that there were clan players that agreed that this change is making this game go in a better direction.

This is what I think :|:

[redrider]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Here we go again, another heated topic.
We should leave squad hopping in, no wait. Its bad very bad, it has to go. And the debate just goes on without really getting anywhere. So, instead of stateing my views, I will purpose a workable solution.
Can we make squad hopping like friendly fire, an option. The fairest way to do this seems to be to make it so you cant change squads while you are dead. So the people who run a server can turn it on or off and the players can play on servers running it the way they like. Does this sound like a workable solution? Do you have any ideas? . . . . . . .Red

[WinterNight]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

I'm just curious... if BF2 is just another FPS why aren't we all spawning in random locations on the map, picking up weapons from glowing points on the ground and getting messages like "GOD-LIKE!" from a sexy announcer voice? If I wanted a UT2004 knock-off I'd stick to UT2004.

[Auto-ER-]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Sorry Auto-ER-, you managed to stay reasonable until now, but now your acting like a child that cannot accept that it failed to make a point.

You said there would be NO reason to split a squad without squadhopping. I clearly showed this is untrue. What you're saying now in other words: "I have no more arguments but I refuse to admit it."

That's a negative ghost rider. First off, I didn't say that there would be no reason to split the squad if you couldn't hop, hence you not comprehending what I am trying to get through your head. The whole point is that you can split a squad, and then have others join and spawn to reinforce your assault. You can not handle that the game has three dimensions, and you'd rather see it a Metroid like, start here at point A, go here to point B, and we'll try to stop you nintendo game.

Sorry guy, but it's not my fault some abuse the feature, and it's not my fault you can't deal with it.

[one ill mother]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

At the very least just make it a server-side option.
Leagues always run different configs from pubs anyways, just give them the choice of having it in competition play.

and it's not my fault you can't deal with it.

That’s the crux of about 90% of the "imbalance issues" in this game.

Anything pub scrubs can't overcome via "spot, prone, lay still, spray and pray" gets labeled as "whoring" or "noobish" and MUST be removed.

[MrBrown]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

That's a negative ghost rider. First off, I didn't say that there would be no reason to split the squad if you couldn't hop, hence you not comprehending what I am trying to get through your head.

You said "THere would still be no point in spliting a squad if you can't have re-enforcements spawning on them, as they are still only 6 players."

You seem to think big squads never ever split into two smaller ones in reality to go after two different tasks, because teleporters aren't invented yet.

It would still make sense to split a squad for a flanking maneuver for example, you just can't "magically" reinforce both halfs of the squad after splitting. Still both halfs of the squad can keep their strength if the squadleader survives, even if some squadmembers die now and then. This is not realistic, but I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's not an overpowered feature, like filling up squads with dead people whenever you want.

The whole point is that you can split a squad, and then have others join and spawn to reinforce your assault. You can not handle that the game has three dimensions, and you'd rather see it a Metroid like, start here at point A, go here to point B, and we'll try to stop you nintendo game.

YOU think one-dimensional because you don't see any value in splitting a squad but making room for people to teleport into the action.

There are more than two flags on most maps, and originally they were supposed to have a meaning. But as everybody who's dead can just spawn into the radius of a ENEMY flag now, they have almost lost their meaning... besides you shouldn't loose all of them and it's always nice to have those points where the planes spawn...

Sorry guy, but it's not my fault some abuse the feature, and it's not my fault you can't deal with it.

I never argued that something is your fault, I just said that proper gameplay would be possible without squadhopping.