I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

[Scotty]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

Actually, I can accept armor doing it before I can accept infantry doing it. Armor, as you mentioned has a reason for not rushing in. If you can get within the radius with the armor, you should. If you can't, then you wait for help and clear out the enemy. That's fine. The flag should be capped fairly quickly unless your team is stupid and doesn't come to help. At that point, your armor is going to get wiped out sooner or later because someone will eventually spawn as AT or spec ops.

A soldier has no excuse for lying on the ground behind a spawn point and shooting people in the back. Go cap the flag and stop being a wuss. Following me? Good.

Snipers can obviously spawn camp also. I prefer to set myself up along the path to the next flag and pick people off as they come. It is not challenging to shoot someone in the head who just spawned. Sure, it is easy and quick points, but that's a weak way to play. No different than an assault player standing or lying behind a spawn point and waiting for people to pop up just so they can shoot them.

Yes .... if it were "real life", you would shoot people regardless of them being ready for you or not. Problem is that people don't appear out of thin air in real combat and always face a certain direction so that you can just sit behind that point and shoot them in the back.

Like I said, I'm all for beating a team back to a position and pummeling them, but there is no reason to not cap the flag and end it. I've seen entire teams just park in a circle around the last flag and kill anything that moves with no intention of capping the flag. That is ridiculous.

[Sloi sauce]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

To the Thread Starter read this

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66299

and quit whining ..... I respected the fact that you seemed to be a decent helicopter player but infact your just another whiner noob

Move that qualifier up a few notches and you'll have a more accurate description of my ability, though it has nothing to do with this thread so I would appreciate if it stayed out. Finally, although there's a difference between whining and creating awareness for a problem, you are free to erroneously use both interchangeably: it does not really distort this thread...

[Robske007a]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

... the lack of sportsmanship.

What the F U C K is with the incessant uncap camping and raping ? I have nothing further to add: no insightful comments about how we could improve the situation. In fact, I'm at a loss for words...

I've always found that you could really know people by the way they play: the psychology doesn't lie and unfortunately, behind the facade of education and modern-day conditions, most people are little more than savages, anxiously awaiting the moment to exploit any situation to their advantage. Such a thing as fair play doesn't exist, it seems. Like wild animals, people need to be controlled and kept in check, otherwise they will revert to primitive behaviour... it's sickening.

If trusted members of the community could have admin on every server... my goodness, what an incredible thing that would be.

/rant

Edit: added a few things.

I've read an article that said that some people aren't mentally strong enough to play BF2 and show psychotic behaviour, I think YOU just cracked.

[imported_ColonelPanic]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

Hmm. Agreed.

People can say whatever. "ohh I play how I want, it's a viable tactic. blah blah etc."
I hear people saying they are becoming bored with BF 2 because they ahd gotten all the medals and there is nothign else to do. They always 'own'.
Well anyone can own when you just sit there in a tank camping a spawn point and not capping it. It's up to you to make it challangeing. ever try and be first in the game without using any armor and use only transport?
And yes, I also believe youc an tell a lot about a person by the way they play, and what they are most worried about in such a game.

Exactly. Not much point in 'owning' if your team loses all the time. I'd say you're not really 'owning' in that case. It's much more gratifying to play as a team in a squad. :)

[Sloi sauce]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

boohoo. mommy, these idiots won't stop camping my team!! We suck so bad, that we lost every base. And they won't give us a chance to try to get one!!!

Stop whining. If your team is getting camped, it's your own damn fault for losing every other spawn point on the map.

You must have the IQ of a doorknob if you truly believe any of this: what if I just entered the server and, as Murphy's laws would dictate, have been placed on this "loser" team with only 2 flags left ? What if I was doing brilliantly in my vehicle of choice, supporting attacks on flags, until an unfortunate series of events took me back to the uncap with a bunch of baserapers and campers, regardless of what the situation is ? Many variables come into this, so it is not necessarily my fault that things go bad or that we are being punished at our uncap. You're just part of the narrowminded majority who can't entertain the possibility that I'm right to be frustrated. I'm not at all surprised...

In BF42/Desert Combat mod, a server i used to play on, modded maps. You know that red line stuff outside the map, where you start to lose health? Well we put that over uncapturable bases. It was invisible. It was fun watching all the lamers bail out of planes and into the mains, only to start dying. They usually died before hitting the ground. lol.
Now some of you will say that that is stupid.
But i can tell you this.........the games, all were EXTREMELY fun for EVERYONE involved. And lets be real guys, on a server of say 40 people, all it takes is 5 people or so, to really ruin the fun of 35 other people.
Oh well. Your not gonna change the behavior patters of folks with a thread. It has to be done via game mechanics.
I find that servers that are closely watched and admined and that take care of lamerts.........are full. I think that about speaks volumes in itself.

That's very interesting! Thank you for your post. As for the latter portion, I agree with introducing new control methods to prevent these actions from occuring, though with Dice, you never know if such will happen as they seem quite selective about what they listen to when the community is concerned.

I just wish there were ZERO uncaps in any map. THat would solve the whole issue. Total take over maps. That would be ducky.

Total takeovers would be perfectly fine with me as well: if you're going to have uncap areas, however, do make it a point to protect it from abuses though. :)

[JMLufkins]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

Sloi, you have got to be kidding. just because you get in the server and happen to get on the sucky team means 1 of 2 things.

#1. that teams needs the help, and if you didn't contribute to help capture another spawn point take control of your uncap and run them out, then you suck just as bad as your team cause we all know you can't capture another spawn by yourself

#2. it's the last spot on the server.

in either case you wanting a free ride to spawn and go capture a flag is not how this game is played.

You get beat down and pinned all the way back to your base if need be. If your team sucks goat nutz that bad and can not over come there is always another round or do like the nooobs and switch sides so you can win

[Sloi sauce]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

So your basically a noob.

Whether or not I'm a noob has nothing to do with this thread and your comment is anything but cogent, so unless you have something of value to contribute, I respectfully ask that you refrain from posting more of the abovementioned...

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

... the lack of sportsmanship.

What the F U C K is with the incessant uncap camping and raping ? I have nothing further to add: no insightful comments about how we could improve the situation. In fact, I'm at a loss for words...

I've always found that you could really know people by the way they play: the psychology doesn't lie and unfortunately, behind the facade of education and modern-day conditions, most people are little more than savages, anxiously awaiting the moment to exploit any situation to their advantage. Such a thing as fair play doesn't exist, it seems. Like wild animals, people need to be controlled and kept in check, otherwise they will revert to primitive behaviour... it's sickening.

If trusted members of the community could have admin on every server... my goodness, what an incredible thing that would be.

/rant

Edit: added a few things.

you sound like the progressives in the early 20 century, and let me tell you, fairplay does not exist in this world. Anything is allowed in the open as long as it's legal.

[Sloi sauce]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

I've read an article that said that some people aren't mentally strong enough to play BF2 and show psychotic behaviour, I think YOU just cracked.

I didn't crack: I'm simply creating awareness for this type of unsportsmanlike behaviour. Otherwise, it's all fine and dandy.

Can I go elsewhere if things are horrible in the present server ? Sure. However, it's one hell of an inconvenience and shows the type of people you're dealing with too.

If you're not going to protect uncaps from being attacked by jets/helos/whatever, why have these uncap areas in the first place ? It just doesn't make sense: I agree that they shouldn't even be in the game, but if we're going to be stuck with them, have some competitive spirit and let the other team off the carrier/airfield for a challenge.

Too much to ask ?

[cheesewz]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

you sound like the progressives in the early 20 century, and let me tell you, fairplay does not exist in this world. Anything is allowed in the open as long as it's legal.

Like the idea of a fair fight. Silly. There is no such thing. If you think that there is such a thing then you've likely never been in one of any significance.

I'm simply creating awareness for this type of unsportsmanlike behaviour.

We aren't playing football or cricket here. While there is an out-of-bounds (where are you going soldier), there is very little else to constrain behavior. Maybe people have special rules for clan matches, but that is something agreed to by all parties. Pubs are a different matter completely.

[TheGhost]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

If you're not going to protect uncaps from being attacked by jets/helos/whatever, why have these uncap areas in the first place ? It just doesn't make sense: I agree that they shouldn't even be in the game, but if we're going to be stuck with them, have some competitive spirit and let the other team off the carrier/airfield for a challenge.

Oh please. Yes, the terrible burden of having an uncappable base so that you are guranteed to never lose by being driven off the map. Oh, the hardship.

On maps where only one team has an uncap, the other team is forced to fight for their very existence on the map every second of the game, whereas no matter how badly your team plays you always get a chance to come back because you always have a spawn point no matter what. And you want them to give you a free ride as far as a place to regroup and be guaranteed to get your jets and helos into the air without any interference? What are you smoking?

[newiq]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

... the lack of sportsmanship.

What the F U C K is with the incessant uncap camping and raping ? I have nothing further to add: no insightful comments about how we could improve the situation. In fact, I'm at a loss for words...

I've always found that you could really know people by the way they play: the psychology doesn't lie and unfortunately, behind the facade of education and modern-day conditions, most people are little more than savages, anxiously awaiting the moment to exploit any situation to their advantage. Such a thing as fair play doesn't exist, it seems. Like wild animals, people need to be controlled and kept in check, otherwise they will revert to primitive behaviour... it's sickening.

If trusted members of the community could have admin on every server... my goodness, what an incredible thing that would be.

/rant

Edit: added a few things.

Welcome to the Internet...

[TheGhost]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

BTW, I'm still waiting for an answer to my earlier question, don't suppose I'm going to get it though since you can't answer it without proving what a hypocrite you are.

[Sloi sauce]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

Are you referring to your DRAGON VALLEY question ? Re-read the uppercase portion. Now, let it sink in...

PLA airfield is NOT an uncap.

Let that sink in slowly... don't fight it, just accept it. There, doesn't that feel better? As previously stated: if you're going to have uncap areas, it makes no sense to let the other team freely go in if you didn't allow it in the previous iteration of your game. Remove it completely or defend it appropriately.

The reason for bombing PLA airfield ? Support your groundtroops while they take it.

[TheGhost]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

Let it sink in, your entire cry session has been about "playing fair" and being "sporting". If it isn't fair or sporting for a jet or helo to take you out while you are trying to take off from an uncap, how is it any more fair or sporting when the airfield is cappable?

Bottom line, you don't want anyone to attack you when you are trying to get your precious helo off the ground which is when it is most vulnerable. At the same time you want to get open season on enemy pilots doing the same thing simply because their airstrip is cappable. That's what this whole thread is about, and you sir are a hypocrite.