I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

[tekeen]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

I'm not sold on the "don't rape the uncappables" school of thought just yet. I do see the point about it being a disorienting situation and therefore the enemy is exploiting your weakness due to the game mechanic.

However, I also look at it as if my team had worked together more effectively or simply performed better overall, we wouldn't be holed up with only one spawn point. And if we are holed up at only one spawn point by an effective enemy team, I feel they have the right to exploit their advantage they worked hard for. They pushed us back into a corner and now are commencing on the beating we deserve.

It happens to me when I'm out done, and I do it to others when I outdo them.

I've also broken out of being based raped. It's a different mindset and you don't do what you normally do. It's a mad dash of luck to try and get out. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. In fact, I find most times my own team is to blame more often than not for not helping to break out. They dig in and try to defend the uncappable... wtf? What are they defending? Get out, run like mad and try to get another point capped ASAP.

I dunno, like I said, I see both sides of the issue. But I'm just too indifferent to care one way or the other. I try to know the local server rules I play at and simply respect them appropriately... Don't like base raping? Find a server that doesn't allow it and only play on it when admins are present. Not too hard of a requirement to find if you ask me.

Personally, I'm more annoyed with the whiners than any game mechanic itself.


/agreed

I feel the same way.

Either break out with some skill and maybe some teamwork or leave.

[Rogue845]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

Then it just comes down to stats. It seems that if stats were nonexistent in this game, Spawn Camping/Raping would be annoying to some, but less of a complaint as people wouldn't see it as a way to gain many points..

Good point, well presented. The irony is baseraping gets less points.

If everyone is crowded around the last uncap, a whole team is fighting over the kills, with less points to go round. In open play, you've got all those extra points: kill assist, heal, revive repair, resupply, flag defend, and all the other thing you get points for.

[Terroser]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

So was C4 chucking, doplhin diving, n00btubing, bunnyhopping...

are you a noob? who never played bf1942 and vietnam?

play the old games, and you see it's a part of the game ....
And what does bunnyhop, c4 chuning ect having to do with baseraping pff.

[BigBadBob]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

... the lack of sportsmanship.

What the F U C K is with the incessant uncap camping and raping ? I have nothing further to add: no insightful comments about how we could improve the situation. In fact, I'm at a loss for words...

I've always found that you could really know people by the way they play: the psychology doesn't lie and unfortunately, behind the facade of education and modern-day conditions, most people are little more than savages, anxiously awaiting the moment to exploit any situation to their advantage. Such a thing as fair play doesn't exist, it seems. Like wild animals, people need to be controlled and kept in check, otherwise they will revert to primitive behaviour... it's sickening.

If trusted members of the community could have admin on every server... my goodness, what an incredible thing that would be.

/rant

Edit: added a few things.

boohoo. mommy, these idiots won't stop camping my team!! We suck so bad, that we lost every base. And they won't give us a chance to try to get one!!!

Stop whining. If your team is getting camped, it's your own damn fault for losing every other spawn point on the map.

[Rambo]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

but as a old bf 42 player we played at servers and we knew each other so idiots and spawn campers got kicked pretty quick!, not like now the rule has gone out the door

thats why indian has addressed this

not capping and just spawn hitting isnt very skillfull

[LoKi.]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

You have to get used to the fact that bf42 was a much smaller comunity and there were less ppl gaming in those days.

BF2 is too big for such things get used to it as it is not going to go away..

There was a time u used to loathe tanks in uncaps or jets bombing ships or apcs spawn camping on Karkand...

Now I dont care they did it to me for so long when I started out now I do it to them... but they whine like noobs now becuase I can do it better.

[Rogue845]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

boohoo. mommy, these idiots won't stop camping my team!! We suck so bad, that we lost every base. And they won't give us a chance to try to get one!!!

Stop whining. If your team is getting camped, it's your own damn fault for losing every other spawn point on the map.

People aren't necesarily whining about getting beaten, they're whining because they aren't getting a chance to PLAY.

So what if they do suck? You already dominate the map, what does repeatedly killing a stationary target prove? Show them how much they suck by turning back their assaults and continuing to dominate the map. Baseraping takes no skill, that's why n00bs do it.

[Jesse]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

boohoo. mommy, these idiots won't stop camping my team!! We suck so bad, that we lost every base. And they won't give us a chance to try to get one!!!

Stop whining. If your team is getting camped, it's your own damn fault for losing every other spawn point on the map.

Couldn't agree more.

[Badboris_uk]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

People aren't necesarily whining about getting beaten, they're whining because they aren't getting a chance to PLAY.

So what if they do suck? You already dominate the map, what does repeatedly killing a stationary target prove? Show them how much they suck by turning back their assaults and continuing to dominate the map. Baseraping takes no skill, that's why n00bs do it.

and by calling someone a "n00b", all you have proved is that you have an IQ of ~ 20

[Jesse]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

People aren't necesarily whining about getting beaten, they're whining because they aren't getting a chance to PLAY.

So what if they do suck? You already dominate the map, what does repeatedly killing a stationary target prove? Show them how much they suck by turning back their assaults and continuing to dominate the map. Baseraping takes no skill, that's why n00bs do it.

Saying you're not getting a chance to play due to getting spawn camped is like saying a baseball team isn't getting a chance to play when they're down by 20 in the third inning. The team had their chance, they were either selfish, sucked, arrogant, or some combination of those or other completely stupid characteristics, and are getting camped because of it.

Honestly, going back to the nearest flag screws them over even more because oh, wait, now someone is actually at the flags so they can't sneak in and take one. It just makes a round that's already over last longer. If this were an essay question on a gameplay mechanics test, I'd have to say you acheived -5 points. 0 points for throwing common sense out the window and overgeneralizing by saying X takes no skill, and then a direction 5 point subtraction for use of the word n00b.

[HowieMandel]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

I've had games where my team has LOST, by just a few tickets. That my friends, is true fun. Even losing, those games are the most intense and most fun you can have in BF2, or any online or offline game for that matter. It holds true for all games/sports. When it comes down to the wire, its a great thing. Laming mains (uncaps) in effect ruins this effect to a great degree.
When i see my team on the mini map in uncap mains, i get sorta mad. I mean they are ruining any hopes for a good, close, fun, shoot em up game. Win, or Lose.

In BF42/Desert Combat mod, a server i used to play on, modded maps. You know that red line stuff outside the map, where you start to lose health? Well we put that over uncapturable bases. It was invisible. It was fun watching all the lamers bail out of planes and into the mains, only to start dying. They usually died before hitting the ground. lol.
Now some of you will say that that is stupid.
But i can tell you this.........the games, all were EXTREMELY fun for EVERYONE involved. And lets be real guys, on a server of say 40 people, all it takes is 5 people or so, to really ruin the fun of 35 other people.
Oh well. Your not gonna change the behavior patters of folks with a thread. It has to be done via game mechanics.
I find that servers that are closely watched and admined and that take care of lamerts.........are full. I think that about speaks volumes in itself.

[jakswan]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

The only time I had a big issue with baserape was in 1.12. Oman two F35 pilots hitting MEC base bigtime. Took me five minutes to get the MIG up, two me five minutes to down them both (one twice) within 30secs they were back up doing the same thing.

They had zero interest in me or their team (their team had no flags left), I finished the game with three kills and two deaths, they had 49-2 and 55-1, sigh.

Now it's no problem, if we're down to last base it's a far cop imho, other than that you deal with it.

[Rogue845]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

and by calling someone a "n00b", all you have proved is that you have an IQ of ~ 20

I didn't call anyone a n00b, so you've highlighted tour own IQ. What I was getting at was inexperienced players, and players who should really know better, baserape.

Saying you're not getting a chance to play due to getting spawn camped is like saying a baseball team isn't getting a chance to play when they're down by 20 in the third inning. The team had their chance, they were either selfish, sucked, arrogant, or some combination of those or other completely stupid characteristics, and are getting camped because of it.

Honestly, going back to the nearest flag screws them over even more because oh, wait, now someone is actually at the flags so they can't sneak in and take one. It just makes a round that's already over last longer. If this were an essay question on a gameplay mechanics test, I'd have to say you acheived -5 points. 0 points for throwing common sense out the window and overgeneralizing by saying X takes no skill, and then a direction 5 point subtraction for use of the word n00b.

What a stereotypically american attitude to take. To use your Baseball analogy, baseraping is akin to leaving the field and brawling with the players on the bench because they are not as good at the game as you.

[wattsfox43]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

I'm not sold on the "don't rape the uncappables" school of thought just yet. I do see the point about it being a disorienting situation and therefore the enemy is exploiting your weakness due to the game mechanic.

However, I also look at it as if my team had worked together more effectively or simply performed better overall, we wouldn't be holed up with only one spawn point. And if we are holed up at only one spawn point by an effective enemy team, I feel they have the right to exploit their advantage they worked hard for. They pushed us back into a corner and now are commencing on the beating we deserve.

It happens to me when I'm out done, and I do it to others when I outdo them.

I've also broken out of being based raped. It's a different mindset and you don't do what you normally do. It's a mad dash of luck to try and get out. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. In fact, I find most times my own team is to blame more often than not for not helping to break out. They dig in and try to defend the uncappable... wtf? What are they defending? Get out, run like mad and try to get another point capped ASAP.

I dunno, like I said, I see both sides of the issue. But I'm just too indifferent to care one way or the other. I try to know the local server rules I play at and simply respect them appropriately... Don't like base raping? Find a server that doesn't allow it and only play on it when admins are present. Not too hard of a requirement to find if you ask me.

Personally, I'm more annoyed with the whiners than any game mechanic itself.

yay! I agree!
Personally im all for base raping.. even when its being done to me. you just have to work harder. we are base raping iraq right now. should we give them a "sporting chance?"

[Rogue845]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

yay! I agree!
Personally im all for base raping.. even when its being done to me. you just have to work harder. we are base raping iraq right now. should we give them a "sporting chance?"

I take offence at that comparison. Real peoples lives are at stake in Iraq, ours (servicemen) and theirs (innocent civilians). This is a GAME, in Iraq it is for keeps.