I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

[vbl]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

Here's an idea:

Defend.

No, I don't mean defend once you are getting camped. I mean defend to prevent getting camped.

BF2 has a culture of offense and it's downright stupid.

And just because you're personally not willing to do something doesn't mean that your team shouldn't have to do it in order to win.

[lSIlSERIALBUTCHER]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

theres always people out there who have no skill and do that.
best thing to do is just forget about it and move on

I can never figure out how n000bs reason that the winners (that are kickin' their arse) have no skill

That kind of reasoning is childish @ best

[Sloi sauce]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

who is going to guard the guards?

If you're going to ask such a question, I suggest you look around your world. I do not offer any assurance that admins wouldn't abuse their powers, but just as those would be given to them, so they could be taken back. You wish to ask who guards the guards ? Rock, paper, scissor: coming full circle, everyone is kept in check.

This problem only exists in the minds of losers

A cogent and well thought-out reply. Thank you for your invaluable contribution, serial...

[[MORK]Gog]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

I think this problem, if it is a problem, is at server administration level. I don't think you can regulate against this, and on that point I would disagree with trusted users rights, although this is implementable now with PB power.

In my opinion it is down to the player to find a server which suits his game type. Personally I hate spawn campers, therefore I play on servers which specify no attacks on the uncaps as part of their server rules. Indeed this makes up part of our server rules, and I would expect admins to enforce this. On another server, on another day, I made a comment about someone bombing an uncap and the admin told me that this was allowed, I have no problem with that and my mistake for coming onto the server. Not the mistake of the guy doing the bombing.

Choose your server carefully, then you will have less to complain about.

[Terroser]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

Spawning elsewhere is not a solution. Preventing people from baseraping and uncap camping, however, solves the problem: proper server administration is rare, so another solution is needed. As previously stated, I propose universal administration rights to trusted players: this way, regardless of where they play, if something is amiss, something can be done to remedy the situation. Does this help you understand my previous post or shall I find another way of explaining myself to continue this discussion ?

Another quick observation: everyone here seems very quick to criticize and place blame on the commentator instead of acknowledging that a problem exists. Your suggestions are akin to asking that one turn around to ignore the pink elephant in the middle of the room. I was mistaken in thinking that any good would come from creating this thread...

Moderators: you may lock this thread if you wish.

it's your problem not mine
play CoD or something.

it a part of the game.
and that was before bf2, lok at bf1942 and vietnam

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

it a part of the game.

So was C4 chucking, doplhin diving, n00btubing, bunnyhopping...

[Rogue845]

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But what is the point of spawn camping/baseraping? It's boring, you're killing your opponent before they can do anything. It's no challenge and you are not proving how good you are, because the opponent has NO opportunity to respond.

And to all the 'It's war' cry babies - get f**ked and grow up. It's a game, not war. You probably have no idea what war is you mollycoddled little weasels.

Once the enemy is down to their uncap flag, leave it alone. Defend your flags, let the poorer team get organised and defend your territory. It will make for a longer, more interesting game and you will prove your superior skills be keeping the opponents out of the game, whilst giving them a chance to get back in it. Maps like Wake, Gulf and Dalian are good examples. Drive the USMC off the beach, and then see what they can come up with.

Back to sportsmanship, on an interplayer level, a few nice comments ingame between players would be a good place to start. Congratulations on promotions or good shooting. It's nice to give/receive these sorts of comments, and it gives everyone a warm fuzzy feeling that spreads to other players.

[LoKi.]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

To the Thread Starter read this

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66299

and quit whining ..... I respected the fact that you seemed to be a decent helicopter player but infact your just another whiner noob

[Cornbread Mafia]

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Chess is a game too, but when my opponent is down to his last few pieces i don't sit back and let him regroup... Allowing your opponent to regain his bearings is the mark of a loser..

[Badboris_uk]

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sorry, but when you have fought a team back to thier last outpost its your right, nay, your duty, to farm points off them through massive ordanance bombardment. To the victor the spoils?

Yep. Nothing better than lying on top of the building looking down the alley by the hotel on Kharkand with a PKM and putting 3 bullet bursts in the back of any MEC that is silly enough to spawn in the middle of the front line. by doing so the transit time of the enemy to the fromt line is increased and my team gets an advantage in firepower, and hence we will prevail. Its teamwork, not base raping, and in a game with very little teamwork anyway, the one uniting factor is that people love to be gits to each other.

so yeah, stop whingeing and enjoy the carnage. At the end of the day, when you get gunned down, be glad that I don't like using APCs and will give you the honour of baseraping you with an infantry carried weapon.

[LoKi.]

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I can just imagine the Germans sending a telegram to the allies....

DONT BOMB BERLIN OUR ARMIES ARE IN FRANCE JOO HAXOR NOOBS

[|ASNL|Ragamuffin]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

Wow can't believe not many people are not backing up Sloi on the issue of sportsmanship, its quite sad.

Here in AUS we have this awesome major isp Internode which has a "No killing people in the uncapables, unless it is with kit weapons or arty" rule.

It works wonders and the servers are generally tard free.

For an excellent example take wake island. China will usually have the "better" players, because well as you all seem to think USING ANYTHING IN THE GAME IS OK, so most people who want a easy score will gravitate to PLA, as what’s the point of a challenge when your not coming first.

Now I fly planes alot and whenever I'm in a J10 its just so easy its a joke, (another issue), but even with the no base raping rules it can be too easy if the china team defends well. Now I can only imagine how one sided it would be in a no rules server.

Whenever I attack the carrier I take out the AA guns, as that’s all you are allowed to target on these servers, but I wont shoot choppers or planes that have just recently taken off and don’t stand a chance, that’s the whole idea of this sportsmanship.

Sure I could rape the planes the second they get out of the uncap zone, or as you people like to do, before they have even taken off, but what’s the point? it doesn’t require any skill, and it sure as hell doesn’t make you "1337".

And I’m not one of those people who will knife someone who’s trying to knife me either, because that’s just stupid... but that’s not the kind of sportsmanship I’m talking about. I find nothing wrong with sitting outside a flag with armour maintaining distance to survive and just hammering the point with a supply crate is behind me, while my team runs in to cap it, as I believe that is how a tank should be used, to support infantry not madly pushing ahead of your team into c4 and mines with no cover ( that’s the role of a jeep :P ).

But I would never do the same to an uncapable point as what’s the fun when you totally dominate a team as they are spawning? And don’t give me that best defence is a good offence bull****, or that you are “helping them” by playing seriously… pubs are not a clan match, team play is almost non existent, play for fun not for your base raping medal.

Its really all about playing in the spirit of the game, and respecting other players.

[Rogue845]

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Chess is a game too, but when my opponent is down to his last few pieces i don't sit back and let him regroup... Allowing your opponent to regain his bearings is the mark of a loser..

True, but chess pieces don't respawn so you can repeatedly take them. Chess a good and bad example.

Allowing your opponent to regain his wits (in BF2) is not the mark of a loser, especially if you can repeatedly throw back any assault they care to throw at you, without losing any territory. It is a superior level of ownage.

[Cornbread Mafia]

Re: I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with BF2 for one reason:

True, but chess pieces don't respawn so you can repeatedly take them. Chess a good and bad example.

Allowing your opponent to regain his wits (in BF2) is not the mark of a loser, especially if you can repeatedly throw back any assault they care to throw at you, without losing any territory. It is a superior level of ownage.

Then it just comes down to stats. It seems that if stats were nonexistent in this game, Spawn Camping/Raping would be annoying to some, but less of a complaint as people wouldn't see it as a way to gain many points..

[Badboris_uk]

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I can just imagine the Germans sending a telegram to the allies....

DONT BOMB BERLIN OUR ARMIES ARE IN FRANCE JOO HAXOR NOOBS

aptly put :)

If people dont like being baseraped they should have played better in the first place. all it takes is a microphone and a willingness to use teamwork at the start of the round and it will be more of a fair fight. Don't whinge about other people lacking 'honour' or kicking people when they are down - being baseraped is punishment for not using teamwork.