PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

[Lazy8s]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

Reposting my rant from the CSG forums, about why I still hate the MG36 and still love my PKM:

1.) Accuracy is not a determining factor. It's just not. Comparing it to a sniper rifle is ridiculous, the two couldn't be less alike. You have a long-range precision rifle that takes several seconds between shots and a belt-fed rapidfire lead cannon designed for mid/close-range suppression fire.

The FIRST shot may be more accurate, but you know how often you hit with the first shot with ANY support gun unless it's point-blank? According to BF2S, the two guns both have the same deviation increase per shot, meaning the MG36 will ramp up inaccuracy faster. In practice, I can't even tell the difference in accuracy. They're both equally terrible.

2.) Burst does not matter. I've tried it, and I went back to spraying. The amount of time EITHER gun takes to drop back to regular accuracy is VERY long. Try it some time, it takes like a full second to recover the aim loss from a single shot, yet only takes 2 shots to ramp up to the maximum aim deviation. Assault rifles are a much different story.

3.) Actual damage output is important, not just shots per kill. When you fire a LMG, you should be PRONE. That means in close-quarters, the odds of a head shot are very low, and the odds of a leg shot are disproportionately high.

4.) Damage per bullet is important too. Your target has 70 health left after the first bullet from an MG36 hits them. They have 55 after the PKM hits them. I consider the low rate of fire on the PKM an advantage because of this, because it severely lowers the amount of time they have to react.

5.) Clip size is important. Twice today, I got a reminder of why: If you kill someone and a medic comes over to revive them, the ONLY gun that can consistently kill both of them over again is an LMG. Situations like that, you'd be reloading your MG36 while I was busy cleaning up kill #3. I very rarely find myself reloading the PKM in a firefight, whereas my MG36 trials, I was doing it all the time. You're always at a full clip before a fight anyway, you have to be an idiot not to, especially when you've got unlimited ammo.

6.) YOU DON'T OVERHEAT. You just don't. Not overheating an LMG is as basic a practice as not firing a grenade launcher at the floor. If you do overheat, RELOAD! You already screwed up, you already need to take cover, and the reload will take as long to happen as the complete cooling process. Unless you're in full-on spray mode for a long period of time (ironic for an article preaching 3-round burst), you're not gonna overheat anyway.

7.) Reloading while sprinting? What? Let go of your shift key, hit R, hold down your shift key, continue sprinting while you reload. You can already do this.

The only thing I hate about the PKM, it sure does take forever to pull that thing out! Only the F2000 compares in how obnoxiously-long the draw time is. :)

I'll take a stab at a few of these for you:

1) That was one of my major points. People talk about sniping with the PKM. Honestly, any other gun in the game except shotguns or the mp5 are going to snipe a lot better

2) I, too, am very disappointed that the 3-round burst mode of the MG36 is not noticeably more accurate than the full-auto. Are they trying to insult us and say we don't know how to stop firing after 3 rounds?

4) Killing in less rounds does give them less time to react, but so does hitting them 25% faster. If any support gunner has you at mid-rang in their sights you're pretty screwed no matter what.

5) They both have the same size clip. I definately see where you;re coming from saying that you run out of ammo faster on the MG36 because of it's increased ROF. However, it's reload time is SO much shorter. I find I die all the time when I'm reloading the PKM. The other thing I like about the MG36 is when you kill someone and the medic revives them, the PKM can overheat at the worst possible time. With the MG36 I never have to worry about my gun overheating when I'm taking outmultiple enemies.

6) I don't preach about 3-round burst at all. If anything I talk about firing constantly if you read the whole post. Maybe I'm a bad shot (though I doubt that) but I find I overheat all the time with the PKM if I'm not careful. I kill one enemy and another comes, so I keep firing, then a third comes, then a humvee, but wait, I've overheated already.

7) I think either I miscommunicated or you misread. When I talked about reloading while sprinting (obviously I know you can do it or I wouldn't have included it) I meant that with the shorter reload time you can reload the MG36 and be ready to go by the time you're done sprinting; with the more than 6sec reload time the PKM cannot do this.

Hope this helps clarify my review here.

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

I'll take a stab at a few of these for you:

1) That was one of my major points. People talk about sniping with the PKM. Honestly, any other gun in the game except shotguns or the mp5 are going to snipe a lot better

2) I, too, am very disappointed that the 3-round burst mode of the MG36 is not noticeably more accurate than the full-auto. Are they trying to insult us and say we don't know how to stop firing after 3 rounds?

4) Killing in less rounds does give them less time to react, but so does hitting them 25% faster. If any support gunner has you at mid-rang in their sights you're pretty screwed no matter what.

5) They both have the same size clip. I definately see where you;re coming from saying that you run out of ammo faster on the MG36 because of it's increased ROF. However, it's reload time is SO much shorter. I find I die all the time when I'm reloading the PKM. The other thing I like about the MG36 is when you kill someone and the medic revives them, the PKM can overheat at the worst possible time. With the MG36 I never have to worry about my gun overheating when I'm taking outmultiple enemies.

6) I don't preach about 3-round burst at all. If anything I talk about firing constantly if you read the whole post. Maybe I'm a bad shot (though I doubt that) but I find I overheat all the time with the PKM if I'm not careful. I kill one enemy and another comes, so I keep firing, then a third comes, then a humvee, but wait, I've overheated already.

7) I think either I miscommunicated or you misread. When I talked about reloading while sprinting (obviously I know you can do it or I wouldn't have included it) I meant that with the shorter reload time you can reload the MG36 and be ready to go by the time you're done sprinting; with the more than 6sec reload time the PKM cannot do this.

Hope this helps clarify my review here.

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the less reaction time thing is important. In my experience, people usually notice when they got shot by MG36 simply because their health drains slower (and more bullet hit indications), whereas people often don't realize that they got hit by PKM.

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

What about everyone using a G36?

G36 is easy to learn but seriously lack in power.

[HABO3]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

RPK - 3 round burst
PKM - 2 round burst
Type 95/SAW - 4 round burst
MG36 - 3 round burst

free ****ing advice from the #1

[Eddy01741]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

headshot means nothing, youre better off going for torso shots with the PKM, especially because of its high normal damage.

in fact, 2 round bursts from the G36K are just about the only gun that its effective to go for headshots with, barring sniper rifles.

otherwise, a quick volley of 3-4 in the chest is about oh 500 times easier and more possible in combat, and will drop em no prob.

the MG36 is better close in for those bunny hopping c4 chuckers, while the PKM is better medium and both are equal long range.

Ur point is? I just said that, if u DON"T count headshots, the MG36 and PKM are the same. Plus, what are u talking about, a headshot matters more than u could imagine, If ur at pointblank range toting a G3 and u suddenly see an enemy engineer toting a 11-87 shotty, if u don't hit them in the head, ur dead, cuase you could get one shot off before he guns u down with a shotty. Headshots matter a lot, especially when going against medics when ur a sniper, cause if u don't headshot them, they'll just heal, and report ur position so the sniper on their team can kill the enemy sniper. Anyways, i never TO aim for the head, yet i never said NOT to, so ur '500 times easier' is IRRELEVENT to the conversation. Anyways, i agree with huz, everybody loves using the G36 series, cause they're EASY to use (not including the MG36, since for MOST people, they can't use support for their lives). U could think of the G36c/G36E/G36K kinda like an M4 or a MP5 in Counterstrike, it's accurate, it's somewhat powerful, and it's extremely balanced, all it takes to kill is to aim and start spraying. WHile other guns, like the G3, everybody tries to apply the same techinque of spray and pray, bt it doesn't work, the G3 is like the CV-47 (AK-47) in counter strike, accurate on first shot, and does MASSIVE damage, but it has HORRIBLE recoil after, it's an expert weapon, cause all noobs do is spray and pray.

[PHPT]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

I, too, am very disappointed that the 3-round burst mode of the MG36 is not noticeably more accurate than the full-auto. Are they trying to insult us and say we don't know how to stop firing after 3 rounds?

I'm saying that stopping fire after 3 rounds isn't even effective. The time it takes for the deviation to drop back down is so bad and the recoil is so insignificant that you're better off just letting it rip.

The 3-round burst isn't an insult, it's what the actual gun has. Because in real life, many solders ARE too stupid to stop firing after 3 rounds. :)

If any support gunner has you at mid-rang in their sights you're pretty screwed no matter what.

To say that it doesn't matter defeats the entire purpose of comparison.

They both have the same size clip.

Yeah, whoops, I meant the time it takes to run out.

However, it's reload time is SO much shorter. I find I die all the time when I'm reloading the PKM.

I don't because rarely does a confrontation last that long. Meanwhile, I just got out of a game where I wound up in a 1-on-1 with another support and he died BECAUSE he blew out his entire clip too fast.

With the MG36 I never have to worry about my gun overheating when I'm taking outmultiple enemies.

I don't find myself in situations where I'm running out of breaks for the gun to cool that much. I was finding myself out of ammo a LOT though with the MG36.

I guess that's where play style comes in. :)

I meant that with the shorter reload time you can reload the MG36 and be ready to go by the time you're done sprinting; with the more than 6sec reload time the PKM cannot do this.

I fail to see how that matters.

[Lazy8s]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

To say that it doesn't matter defeats the entire purpose of comparison.

It does matter but we all know a bad support gunner. If you're good at support you can make it work, if not....well...at least you can give people ammo. :p

I don't because rarely does a confrontation last that long. Meanwhile, I just got out of a game where I wound up in a 1-on-1 with another support and he died BECAUSE he blew out his entire clip too fast.

I'm not even gonna lie. I HATE it when that happens, however, I reload after every confrontation, if he used 100 shots to kill you shame on him. Reload as often as you can it's not like we're gonna run out of ammo ya know?

I don't find myself in situations where I'm running out of breaks for the gun to cool that much. I was finding myself out of ammo a LOT though with the MG36.

I guess that's where play style comes in. :)

Yeah, playstyle is definately a huge gap here. A lot of people like the stock US gun because it has 200 rounds and they don't find 100 to be enough. I also think it's practice. I find now that I'm using the MG36 all of the time I overheat with the PKM trying to kill humvees or the blackhawk, picking one and sticking with it is definately a good choice until you learn how/when to use both.

I fail to see how that matters.

I find myself running and reloading a lot of the time to get a better position, especially when taking a flag. I see it as an advantage that I can sprint and reload in the way to a flag and then prone and be ready to fire.

[PHPT]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

I find now that I'm using the MG36 all of the time I overheat with the PKM trying to kill humvees or the blackhawk, picking one and sticking with it is definately a good choice until you learn how/when to use both.

I don't even bother shooting at them unless they're smoking or I think I can knock some stat-padding tard off the back seat.

The PKM does like 30% damage or so to an attack copter per clip, if I remember. That's not a lot. Put everyone on support and focus-fire on an AH and it'll wave off before you get anything done. Meanwhile, you're distracted and vulnerable to real targets on the ground. With heavily-armored transport choppers, it's even worse. Humvees aren't much better. Jeeps/buggies/boats on the other hand, do go down reasonably fast to anything.

Best solution to a chopper that's NOT damaged is to find a mounted MG or car with a 50-cal on it. With humvees, same, that or feed your friendly AT some ammo. Figure a 50-cal will overheat before it kills a humvee, and those do a LOT of damage.

All of the support guns really suck for heavy vehicles/copters, the ONLY thing it's good for is pushing it over the edge so it starts burning and blows itself up.

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

actually PKM can blow a humvee in one clip.

[Lazy8s]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

I don't even bother shooting at them unless they're smoking or I think I can knock some stat-padding tard off the back seat.

The PKM does like 30% damage or so to an attack copter per clip, if I remember. That's not a lot. Put everyone on support and focus-fire on an AH and it'll wave off before you get anything done. Meanwhile, you're distracted and vulnerable to real targets on the ground. With heavily-armored transport choppers, it's even worse. Humvees aren't much better. Jeeps/buggies/boats on the other hand, do go down reasonably fast to anything.

Best solution to a chopper that's NOT damaged is to find a mounted MG or car with a 50-cal on it. With humvees, same, that or feed your friendly AT some ammo. Figure a 50-cal will overheat before it kills a humvee, and those do a LOT of damage.

All of the support guns really suck for heavy vehicles/copters, the ONLY thing it's good for is pushing it over the edge so it starts burning and blows itself up.

Check out the videos of the PKM/MG36 blowing up humvees I made. The PKM can do it in 1 clip and the MG36 can do it in like 122rounds or something, both take about the same ammount of time thanks to the MG's slower overheat and fast reload.

They don't do a lot to the chopper but sometimes I can kill those bastard engineers in the blackhawk which is worth it to me >: )

[govedob]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

I have about 60 hours with the PKM and few hours with the MG36. In real life the purpose of the support weapon is providing covering fire while your team advances to a certain position. Unlike in real life, in this game the covering fire doesn't always make the enemies hide being afraid not to get killed. In fact it never does. Most of the time they shoot back at you, and when this happens, between you shooting with any LMG and your enemy shooting with any assault rilfe we all know who's gonna win the accuracy duel. That speaks about the importance of this kit in this game compared to the other kits. But even though the accuracy sux and I always get killed when exchanging bullets from a distance, the supply points can add up pretty quick making this kit not completely useless.

[PHPT]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

I have about 60 hours with the PKM and few hours with the MG36. In real life the purpose of the support weapon is providing covering fire while your team advances to a certain position. Unlike in real life, in this game the covering fire doesn't always make the enemies hide being afraid not to get killed. In fact it never does. Most of the time they shoot back at you, and when this happens, between you shooting with any LMG and your enemy shooting with any assault rilfe we all know who's gonna win the accuracy duel. That speaks about the importance of this kit in this game compared to the other kits. But even though the accuracy sux and I always get killed when exchanging bullets from a distance, the supply points can add up pretty quick making this kit not completely useless.

In accuracy duels, they're trying to line up a shot while I'm flooding them with bullets. You can afford to waste bullets, so keep firing!

As for providing covering fire from the back, PFFT! I've got body armor and one of the deadliest CQB weapons in the game. I'm always in the front line.

[govedob]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

In accuracy duels, they're trying to line up a shot while I'm flooding them with bullets. You can afford to waste bullets, so keep firing!

As for providing covering fire from the back, PFFT! I've got body armor and one of the deadliest CQB weapons in the game. I'm always in the front line.

So you are favoring the support kit over the other ones, is that right?

[PHPT]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

So you are favoring the support kit over the other ones, is that right?

In case you haven't figured out from my constant posting on this thread and my avatar, yes, I do. Support's my favorite kit. :)

[govedob]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

In case you haven't figured out from my constant posting on this thread and my avatar, yes, I do. Support's my favorite kit. :)

In your constants posts you are comparing the LMG's among themselves. My post was about comparing the support kit in general with the other kits.