PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

[HABO3]

Re: PKM vs MG36 My Opinion

I could tell you that I bought SF on tuesday to get the unlocks and before that played on a friend's account, but my brother can't afford the x-pak so all I play is vanilla. I could tell you that I have played 3 rounds on my copy of SF to get us the unlocks but nothing else. I could tell you to learn to do your research before you talk. I could post a screenshot of my unlocked MG36, but I won't. All of those would be an affirmation that you're not intelligent enough to think for yourself. So please, do yourself a favor and think for yourself and be absolutely sure before you take all your credibility out of your character bashing.

EDIT: Even if I hadn't played with the MG36 (though if I didn't have it how would I have made those videos?) how does that change the situation? The facts are the facts. It fires faster, is numerically more accurate, and can fire considerably longer than the PKM. This review (minus the SS and vids) could have been made by anyone, even if they didn't own the game. Number crunching can be done for anyone.


On a side note, has anyone else noticed the title is called "PKM vs MG36 My Opinion"? I gave my opinion and backed it up by facts. Some of the PKM users have changed their mind, some have defended the PKM with no numbers or proof, and a couple have taken to character bashing. I really hope to keep this positive and I have more videos/screen shots for when I have time so keep looking for updates. If this continues to go over well (yes, I consider getting flamed well. It means I spoke truly enough to make them doubt what they thought was true) I may write this review on some more of the guns I enjoy.

the fact that you can barely manage a 1:1 ratio with the LMGs and have but a handful of hours on support shows how much you really don't know what you're talking about...no matter how many buttons your calculator has on it. :laugh:

[18Zulukiller]

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the fact that you can barely manage a 1:1 ratio with the LMGs and have but a handful of hours on support shows how much you really don't know what you're talking about...no matter how many buttons your calculator has on it. :laugh:

Well you can look at my stats and ive not got much with the LMG either so you could proberly say the same thing about me but one thing your forgetting about is unranked servers & custom maps. And ive spent a hell of alot of time on those type of servers stats only matter if you actually care about them and run aound like a tool trying to get the max points all the time and not thinking about your team . Look at the top players on the leader board most of them do nothing but play medic on the city maps.

[Lazy8s]

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the fact that you can barely manage a 1:1 ratio with the LMGs and have but a handful of hours on support shows how much you really don't know what you're talking about...no matter how many buttons your calculator has on it. :laugh:

EDIT: By attacking my account or skills personally I am going to assume that you cannot refute the facts and/or video proof I have posted. If you would like to post something constructive, some sort of proof to support whatever opinion you may have, or just your opinion as many others have then I would enjoy having an open discussion with you. If you think my kill-death ratio is some sort of proof I would like to point out that the PKM was my first unlock and that I only got the MG36 on tuesday. That would indicate that the PKM is a consistently weak gun and my continuing improvement supports my theory that the MG36 is better.I hope you will post a constructive argument in support of your opinion

[HABO3]

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wow an excuse for everything, figures.

that "I'm a team player" bit is old too, you can be a team player and still own everybodys ass why do some people equate team play with dying alot lol. It should be the other way around. In fact the only other guy in the top 20 LMGers with a good K ratio is a guy from that C56 clan and I've never seen those guys on server without their squad full and clan medics reviving them constantly.

edit: oh yeah...

Have you ever been the #1 player on the server as a support player?

AAALLLLLLLLLLL the time. Too often without even trying.

Not many assault players are willing to go 0-10 just so they can win as USMC on wake island though.

counter productive

I enjoy playing the losing team because it makes me a better player

I leave the server if I can't get on the losing team or if I get switched to the winning team and can't switch back.

If I cared about ratio I would be a sniper

you don't even have the patience to test your calculator solutions before posting your final judgement, where would get the fortitude to sit on a crane all day looking through that scope lol.

winning>stats

I didn't bring up your stats so we could talk about the ideologies of the correct way to play and enjoy BF2, you made a bunch of weird ass numerical assumptions about a weapon you've barely used. I had about 80 hours logged on the LMG before I even felt like I had total confidence in the firing methods and tactics I was using to get the most out of the support class and people on this board pay way too much attention to these ****ing weapon stats I can't even believe it. Every gun is good if you know how to use it, if you almost never use the PKM just because a math solution told you not to you won't know when is the right time to switch weapons to adapt to the situation and even worse once you do switch you won't know how to get the most out of the LMG and worse still you won't win as much.

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

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I have already defended PKM with plenty of number and facts.

As I said before, the data such as maximum potential damage and maximum damage per second is useless. I believe that SAW does most amount of damage as well as the most amount of damage per second, however it's just weak in game.

I personally won't defect to the PKM, there is nothing to defect to. If I can do significantly better using PKM than using MG36 (yes I used them both), there must be a difference in effectiveness.

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

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Is that true that the MG36 cant kill with one shot (even with a damage of 30)because if it is the things must be unbeleaveably accurate . I went full on assault yesterday with it on sharaqi peninsular at the end of the round i came second got the silver star 36 kills 9 deaths and i was shoting at enemy units at all ranges and taning there arse. The only reason i didnt get the gold star was because a mate of mine was commander.

EDIT: does anyone know how to open the config files in the game For the mg36 i want to see the full figure on everything compared to the PKM

open the .tweak file.

You want numbers why PKM is superior? Here it goes, assuming prone with ironsight.

PKM MG36
First bullet accuracy 0.512 0.48
Second bullet accuracy 0.912 0.98
Third bullet accuracy 1.312 1.28
Fourth bullet accuracy NA 1.28

You see, for PKM, you fires numerically LESS amount of shot to kill a person (45 vs. 30 damage). As a result, you will be firing less shots before you get a kill, plus your ROF is slower, so you fires less shot in the same amount of the time than a MG36 user. However, less amount of bullet means less deviation. MG36 needs one more bullet to kill, that potentially mean you have to deal with at least one more bullet with 1.28 deviation.

a good example of this in game is M249. Because of its firerate, it's very inaccurate. Basically, accuracy has to do mainly with the ROF, not the base accuracy.

As a result, in the same amount of time (Say 0.2 seconds after both user open fire at the same time), PKM actually has HIGHER accuracy due to its lower ROF.

[HABO3]

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more of this horse****, has absolutely no relevance to owning peoples ass in-game at all.

they're both good guns if you know how to use them, why are people taking sides? ****ing getting political with the LMGs.

[Robske007a]

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good job typing that

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

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more of this horse****, has absolutely no relevance to owning peoples ass in-game at all.

they're both good guns if you know how to use them, why are people taking sides? ****ing getting political with the LMGs.

naturally predators like MP7, G36C and G36E can easily own both PKM and MG36

[18Zulukiller]

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open the .tweak file.

You want numbers why PKM is superior? Here it goes, assuming prone with ironsight.

PKM MG36
First bullet accuracy 0.512 0.48
Second bullet accuracy 0.912 0.98
Third bullet accuracy 1.312 1.28
Fourth bullet accuracy NA 1.28

You see, for PKM, you fires numerically LESS amount of shot to kill a person (45 vs. 30 damage). As a result, you will be firing less shots before you get a kill, plus your ROF is slower, so you fires less shot in the same amount of the time than a MG36 user. However, less amount of bullet means less deviation. MG36 needs one more bullet to kill, that potentially mean you have to deal with at least one more bullet with 1.28 deviation.

a good example of this in game is M249. Because of its firerate, it's very inaccurate. Basically, accuracy has to do mainly with the ROF, not the base accuracy.

As a result, in the same amount of time (Say 0.2 seconds after both user open fire at the same time), PKM actually has HIGHER accuracy due to its lower ROF.

I had a really long reply to answer your argument there Hzu_of_PLA because i honestly think your interpreting those figures in totally the wrong way. But i'm not going to make that post I'm going to go away and make sure I've got my facts right. BTW could you be more specific on the name of the .TWEAK files i should be looking at as i did a search in the battlefield folder and it came up with hundreds of files.

[vbl]

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naturally predators like MP7, G36C and G36E can easily own both PKM and MG36

I got onto your TNT server last night. My own squadmates TK'd me 7 times, and then decided that they wanted to play fetch with my grenades.

Is that server something of a "new player orientation seminar"? Because wow - seemed like everyone there had just bought the game.

Let's try meeting up again tonight.

[Eddy01741]

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Um, after 2 rounds from either gun, the gun doesn't get any more inaccurate, hence why i NEVER burst with LMGs. That's also why i disagree with u Huz, it may take one more round to kill with the MG36, but also, the round is more accurate, just because it's a fourth round doesn't mean next to anything. The dev cone has maxed out after firing 2 bullets from each gun (3 from teh SAW and Type95 though). So the only thing that affects accuracy at full auto after 2 bullets are consecutively fired is recoil, and it's EASY to keep the mouse down. Anyways, yes, in theory, the RPK is better than the PKM, does more damage per second, and has same accuracy, but still more people use the PKM. ALso, HABO, stats don't matter much, my LMG stats SUCK cause of the fact that when i was utterly horrible at BF2, i just sprayed and prayed with the SAW, and i got k: d ratios of like 5:15 in many rounds, even when i learned to use LMGs right, i didn't unlock teh PKM until farther out (3rd unlock). So i still had like a 1:2 k:d ratio with the LMGs. THe PKM improved my K: d ratio, but the MG36 was even better, even more accurate. Anyways, i agree, this is turning into a political debate, let's just say they're EVEN, some people play better with the PKM, some better with the MG36, the PKM has better damage, the MG36 has better accuracy.

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

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Um, after 2 rounds from either gun, the gun doesn't get any more inaccurate, hence why i NEVER burst with LMGs. That's also why i disagree with u Huz, it may take one more round to kill with the MG36, but also, the round is more accurate, just because it's a fourth round doesn't mean next to anything. The dev cone has maxed out after firing 2 bullets from each gun (3 from teh SAW and Type95 though). So the only thing that affects accuracy at full auto after 2 bullets are consecutively fired is recoil, and it's EASY to keep the mouse down. Anyways, yes, in theory, the RPK is better than the PKM, does more damage per second, and has same accuracy, but still more people use the PKM. ALso, HABO, stats don't matter much, my LMG stats SUCK cause of the fact that when i was utterly horrible at BF2, i just sprayed and prayed with the SAW, and i got k: d ratios of like 5:15 in many rounds, even when i learned to use LMGs right, i didn't unlock teh PKM until farther out (3rd unlock). So i still had like a 1:2 k:d ratio with the LMGs. THe PKM improved my K: d ratio, but the MG36 was even better, even more accurate. Anyways, i agree, this is turning into a political debate, let's just say they're EVEN, some people play better with the PKM, some better with the MG36, the PKM has better damage, the MG36 has better accuracy.

no, the first two round still matters, I am talking about the split second here.

Oh Bfa variable, I seemed to do better in your GzR server than TNT server, maybe the skill level is a bit different? It's unfortunate to see you drop to a level such as insulting a person's favorite server

TNT server is USUALLY orderly and admined. I am sure that you've come in a bad time.

find me another server with Karkand/Wake only, and I will gladly join

Personally I am more effective with the MG36, and your numerical data doesn't really make sense (come on, total damage data? I can argue that Mp5 has more total damage than DAO12, it just doesn't make sense gameplay wise)

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

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BTW, I will be in the TNT server for sometime, maybe.

[vbl]

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no, the first two round still matters, I am talking about the split second here.

Oh Bfa variable, I seemed to do better in your GzR server than TNT server, maybe the skill level is a bit different? It's unfortunate to see you drop to a level such as insulting a person's favorite server

TNT server is USUALLY orderly and admined. I am sure that you've come in a bad time.

There's no "level" - I just told you what I experienced.