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I play Support for any urban lvl, so after reading thsi thread tonight I went to the streets and tried out both.
The MG36 feels faster and more accurate..but..
Having the PKM gives more stopping power, and if you play support and know hwo to handle the LMG, the extra dmg pays off. Plus dmg assist are higher, and more then half the time an opponent is less then 100% life, so theextra dmg provides more off a chance of killing.
My biggest thing about all the LMG's..the sound and look.
I like the PKM's size compared to the MG36. The MG36 looks weak to me while the PKM sounds and looks meaner.
Personally I can handle the MG36 better, but I also like the PKM very much.
I think that the MG36 is better at the moment, seems more balanced.
But I also think that in the next patch the PKM may become better.
It is generally a very subjective thing imo because you have to get used to both guns, each requires some practice. People who have more experience with the PKM will say "PKM rules" and people who....(you get it). We support guys should be happy about having such great unlocks, don't stick with only one if you're serious about support, master both of them !
field tests done by me swear that PKM is better. First shot is more accurate than given credit for, whereas for mg36 you might as well just let-er-rip coz shes a dog when it comes to accuracy anyway.
Headshots are a definite plus, mg36 will miss the head, so dont bother unless at point blank..
and on that subject, PKM makes a SCARY cqc weapon.. when you go mano-a-mano pkm duels i nearly wet myself everytime.. that one bullet hitting you could spell your doom.. these fights arent for the fainthearted g36c sissies.. you wanna have some adrenaline, have a toe-to-toe with a competant support and you will die (bunnyhoppers excluded... their days are numbered anyway, and its not like i cant bunnyhop too)
I like to think of the pkm as a shotgun, its a midrange "point and click" weapon.
DL86- I encourage you to watch the videos and look at the screen shots. Yes, the MG36 is seriously more accurate than the PKM. Also, go to wiki.bf2s.com and look at the numbers. There is no arguing the MG36 is the more accurate gun.
Thirdeyepry- Read the new revisions. With the 3-shot burst mode they have the same "stopping power". Since the MG36 fires faster and longer it also has more extended stopping power. In my opinion it is the superior gun at all angles, except maybe for a single shot but seriously, how often do you get a 1-shot kill as support.
Do you people seriously think the mg36 is more accurate than the PKM?
Nope...MG36 is not bad at close range but at long range is not very accurate as PKM.Note that vast majority actualy shoots like Rambo :p so thats why MG36 is more popular.But in practice PKM is more deadly and more accurate.Two bursts and bye bye enemy guy....
I apologize for sounding like a total newb...
I know that the PKM is the Support unlock... slower rate, more power... NO long accuracy... I have it and I am not much of a fan.
After that there are 3 other support guns...
The one for USMC, MEC and China...
You guys are comparing the pkm with witch other support rifle ?
EDIT:
Sorry for the really stupid question, I checked it out...
In most ways the MG36 is better (on paper) but I'll still kick someone with the MG36s ass with my PKM, forget all those stats and pictures they don't mean anything when you're in the middle of some crazy ****. Quick thinking and focused awareness save me alot more than min. deviation, rounds per second and all that other ******** do.
Why does the OP show us videos of him firing the guns on full auto anyways? You never fire full auto with the LMGs except in shotgun range lol. What's the point of the whole thread too? To tell us you think the MG36 is amazingly fantastic and we should all stop using the PKM? So what, just because it looked like you took some time to do a bunch of uneccessary math equations now you have the final end all be all answer to the LMGs??? If anyone comes out of this thread assuming the MG36 is x10 superior to every other weapon...the effect is only psychological and any apparent skill gained is probably only because you actually got with it and showed some aggression and stopped thinking about all those bullets randomly missing around your target and started counting the ones that hit.
When you fire fast steady bursts in just the right way the MG36 and the PKM will both kill at the same rate regardless of what gun has what stats because the whole key is to burst as many shots downrange as possible while saving the barrel heat as much as you can. The only obvious advantage the MG36 has is the slow barrel heat, when you burst fire (not 3 round burst mode) you can use the entire clip and not even come close to overheating. You can burst fire the PKM to around 77 rounds before overheating leaving you with 23 rounds. It's not THAT big a difference and when you factor in the PKMs punching power the MG36 doesn't completely beat the PKM in all departments.
OK here's something for the PKM lads the pkm fires at 450rpm the MG36 fires at 600 rpm. It takes the PKM 3 rounds to kill an unarmoured unit 4 rounds to kill an armoured unit . For the the MG36 it takes 4 rounds to kill an unarmoured unit 5 rounds to kill an armoured unit.
So lets do some math
1/450= 2.2(recuring)miliseconds = PKM rate of fire for a single round.
1/600= 1.6(recuring)miliseconds = MG36 rate of fire for a single round.
3*0.002= 6.6(recuring)miliseconds = How fast a PKM can kill if all rounds hit an unarmoured unit.
4*0.0016= 6.6(recuring)milseconds = How fast a MG36 can kill if all rounds hit an unarmoured unit.
4*0.002= 8.8(recuring)miliseconds = How fast a PKM can kill if all rounds hit an armoured unit.
5*0.0016= 8.3(recuring)miliseconds = How fast a MG36 can kill if all round hit an armoured unit.
5*0.0016= 8.3(recuring)miliseconds = How fast a MG36 can kill if all rounds hit an armoured unit.
If you look at those figures both weapons have the same stopping power. If anything the more the MG36 is fired the more stopping power it has against infantry because of its increased rate of fire (and i'm not talking about total damage I'm talking about Max 100% life anything after that is over kill).
Now i know the above statement does not take into account the deviation but i honestly cant work that out i have no idea how deviation is actually worked out by the games engine. I'm guessing that its actually worked out with complex numbers in the Cartesian form were the numbers that we normally see on all the websites are the real number and some kind of random number generator creates the imaginary part. Can someone that's actually in the know explain how this actually works as I've always wanted to know (maybe a coder that's working on one of the mods can).
Anyway to conclude if anything the MG36 is supposidly slightly more accurate (IMO its deffinatly more accurate) and with the increased rate of fire , long overheat time , quick reload time IMO its the better weapon. There definitely will be lots of counter arguments to this but i honestly prefer it as i see it as a much more well rounded weapon and more useful in all the situations your likely to encounter on the battlefield.
I agree the PKM has the MG36 beat in some places. If you read the review I never claim the MG36 is superior everywhere.
The point of the thread is most people choose the PKM because it has "stopping power" or because it "kills faster". The point of the thread is to show people that the MG36 has at least equal stopping power and it can kill just as fast. On top of that, though, it has many advantages such as a considerably shorter reload time, it's quieter, it can fire longer before overheating, it's sight allows for easier target aquesition, it has built in 3-round burst mode which not only allows you to fire 3-round bursts evenly, but they bring it's damage up to that of a PKM and they are fired faster AND they are more accurate.
If you read the whole post my belief is the gun you prefer will be the gun you are best with. Why? Half of this game is mentality. If you don't like the way your gun feels or sounds or looks you will be concentrating on that more than playing. Also, this game is about enjoyment, not being "best" (unless being the best you can be is how you enjoy the game) so who cares what gun is the best? If you like the pistol then use it! In the end I believe the MG36 is a superior gun. When I first unlocked it I thought it was better but I couldn't figure out why so I did some looking and made some videos to show why, but if the PKM is your favorite then use it. I am not claiming the MG36 is the best gun in the game because I don't think it is, and I'm not saying the PKM is a bad unlock because it isn't. Honestly I think it's the second best vanilla unlock in the game.
OK here's something for the PKM lads the pkm fires at 450rpm the MG36 fires at 600 rpm. It takes the PKM 3 rounds to kill an unarmoured unit 4 rounds to kill an armoured unit . For the the MG36 it takes 4 rounds to kill an unarmoured unit 5 rounds to kill an armoured unit.
So lets do some math
1/450= 2.2(recuring)miliseconds = PKM rate of fire for a single round.
1/600= 1.6(recuring)miliseconds = MG36 rate of fire for a single round.
3*0.002= 6.6(recuring)miliseconds = How fast a PKM can kill if all rounds hit an unarmoured unit.
4*0.0016= 6.6(recuring)milseconds = How fast a MG36 can kill if all rounds hit an unarmoured unit.
4*0.002= 8.8(recuring)miliseconds = How fast a PKM can kill if all rounds hit an armoured unit.
5*0.0016= 8.3(recuring)miliseconds = How fast a MG36 can kill if all round hit an armoured unit.
5*0.0016= 8.3(recuring)miliseconds = How fast a MG36 can kill if all rounds hit an armoured unit.
If you look at those figures both weapons have the same stopping power. If anything the more the MG36 is fired the more stopping power it has against infantry because of its increased rate of fire (and i'm not talking about total damage I'm talking about Max 100% life anything after that is over kill).
Now i know the above statement does not take into account the deviation but i honestly cant work that out i have no idea how deviation is actually worked out by the games engine. I'm guessing that its actually worked out with complex numbers in the Cartesian form were the numbers that we normally see on all the websites are the real number and some kind of random number generator creates the imaginary part. Can someone that's actually in the know explain how this actually works as I've always wanted to know (maybe a coder that's working on one of the mods can).
Anyway to conclude if anything the MG36 is supposidly slightly more accurate and with the increased rate of fire , long overheat time , quick reload time IMO its the better weapon. There definitely will be lots of counter arguments to this but i honestly prefer it as i see it as a much more well rounded weapon and more useful in all the situations your likely to encounter on the battlefield.
Exactly, but then you factor in the MG36 is "high damage" in 3-round burst mode and then it takes 3 rounds to kill unarmored and 4 to kill armored so the MG36 kills faster for a single target because it fires the 3 rounds faster.
On the other hand, 3-round burst isn't nearly as effective against 2+ enemies which is where the MG36 really wins out because of it's high rate of fire and accuracy. The MG36 can go back and forth instantly giving it a large ammount of diversity.
Exactly, but then you factor in the MG36 is "high damage" in 3-round burst mode and then it takes 3 rounds to kill unarmored and 4 to kill armored so the MG36 kills faster for a single target.
On the other hand, 3-round burst isn't nearly as effective against 2+ enemies which is where the MG36 really wins out because of it's high rate of fire and accuracy.
Another thing i like to think of when it comes to the MG36 is head shots I'm presuming that 1 shot to the head kills . Therefore the only way to truly increase your chance's of getting a head shot is by shooting more rounds faster and with increased accuracy so that's another place were the MG36 beats the PKM (increased chance of a head shot). Don't believe me think of it this the only way to increase your chance of winning the lottery is by putting more lines on (more bullets).
additionally, a lot of your MG36 proponents didn't read my post. To get 4 shots on a PKM user, you need NUMERICALLY more shots than a PKM user (deviation is accounted here, since the deviation added per shot is the same). However, with those more shots, the total deviation accumulates. In the end, MG36 is actually less accurate due to the accumulation effect.
suppose you need 3xA number shots to kill an unarmored target (factor A = shots fired/actual hit, for example, if you fired 3 shot and you get two hit, your factor A is 1.5, let's suppose A is 1.5 for the sake of the argument)
You need 4xA number shots to kill an unarmored target
now, for every single shot, same amount of deviation accumulates.
as a result, MG36 will actually accumulate more deviation in total because you simply need more shot. this is time independent.
What's the effect in game? You will find yourself hurting the PKM user to the edge of his death in a duel, but getting killed by his last bullet simply because his third bullet is more accurate than your forth.
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