Is a soloer a teamplayer?

[[GCA]Tim270]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

Imo a lot of the time they do help the team a lot more due to not being hindered with a poor pilot/gunner but if they are going to tk/redline thats just wasting your teams tickets.

[.Churr.]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

I disagree with this one. A skilled pilot can get into range with TV and the move out once shot. A soloer does not have this advantage.

In most situations, it is still possible for a soloer to play the range game - as in setting himself up in a way so the chopper spins away while he guides the missile.

And also those saying seat-switching breaks AA locks... GROW A FCKING CLUE please. That's totally untrue.

[Skaggy]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

The playing days are gone long ago...

Does that mean you were looking at the BF2 coding a long time ago too?
Things may have changed in that latest patches. :)

I disagree with this one. A skilled pilot can get into range with TV and the move out once shot. A soloer does not have this advantage.

Surly you know this? or am i wrong?

I can do that soloing...

[L3adcannon]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

Jesus, another thread which will get nowhere.

[[Expletive Deleted]]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

facts - no stories, no blabla

show me that your statement about aa tracking is correct - you will fail. Take the code - read through it.

I don't want personal experiences. If something is coded that way - you can't change it due to stories against.

We don't have to look at the code. In later patches the AA has been fixed. I made videos during the broken AA patches and then again once it was fixed. I posted those videos months ago when sloi and I were discussing this issue.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

Much like in the other thread, everyone pretty much needs to agree to disagree. Sloi, and others, will not accede the point as much as those who say solo flying is not teamwork.

The only other point is, Sloi if disagree then fair enough, iterate your point without jumping into insults, but just because the guy doesn't agree with your take on teamwork doesn't mean he is without a brain as you insinuate.

Learn some manners.

A bag full of irony.

Whether a soloer is a teamplayer or not can be proven factually by taking BF2 games main goal and the means to reaching that goal into account. BF2 main goal is to eliminate the oppositions tickets until they reach zero. Since a chopper pilot, nor a jet pilot, nor even a tanker can do anything else but kill, they are left doing what they can do- eliminate tickets. Since pretty much the whole team is working towards that goal, intentionally or coincidentally, they are performing teamwork. Here it is in black and white.

Considering the possibility of it being a grey area, a soloer only performs teamwork if hes consciously choosing the way to help his teammates in whatever task they are performing, or asking for his teams help to support his task. A conscious choice however, is up to each and everyone and depends on the personality of a player, and not the vehicle hes using. There are just as much people playing on the ground, who are concentrating on their own personal agenda, but purely statistically, considering the population in Kark servers and IO servers, we see more selfish players on land, than in the air. Thats a statistical observation.

So, either we go by the book and lable each and every person whos killing an enemy, a teamplayer. Or we leave it to each and everyone to make their own choices, thus ditching the generalisations and segmentations.

[G0ggy]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

It isn't just a metal you know...

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

By the way, I like the results of this poll. Glad to see people vote based on their experience, rather than inexperience.

[JustMe0171]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

I donno why i subscribe to this thread, same old stuff & repllies everytime on these issues.
but i guess it could be seen either way depending on what you think of the game, arcade like soloing IMO is good, if you like a little realism then you need to fly with a gunner, just my opinon. wanna flame me send a PM cause im unsubing from this one.

[waaah_wah]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

By the way, I like the results of this poll.

Heh... I dont. Give it some time:P

[imported_youm0nt]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

This is erroneous.

Two-man helicopter teams do not necessarily (or often, as it goes) succeed against a soloer. There are several possibilities, and I'll describe most of them since I'm completely bored...

Two-man team composed of a skilled pilot and poor gunner vs. A poor soloer: the former may have an advantage, depending on how the soloer is poor (a difference must be made between his being poor as a result of improper pilotting or gunning). In the latter case, it's likely the two-man team will win. Otherwise, it could either be a toss-up or an inevitable win by the former as a result of proper range-game playing by the skilled pilot.

Two-man team composed of a skilled pilot and poor gunner vs. A skilled soloer: while this could go both ways, the former is actually at a disadvantage. Sooner or later, the soloer will find an opening to approach the two-man team's heli and the skilled pilot's dodging ability, if applicable in that particular case, will determine whether or not they get a chance to retaliate.

Two-man team composed of a poor pilot and skilled gunner vs. A poor soloer: I suspect the two-man team would have a much higher chance of success by virtue of the gunner having an easy target. Of course, this assumes the poor pilot actually acknowledges the soloer and gives his gunner a chance to fire.

Two-man team composed of a poor pilot and skilled gunner vs. A skilled soloer: the soloer will win almost every single time. No contest...

Two-man team composed of a skilled pilot and skilled gunner vs. A poor soloer: the two-man team will win almost every single time. No contest...

Two-man team composed of a skilled pilot and skilled gunner vs. A skilled soloer: a toss-up. It depends on who indentifies the enemy first. Otherwise, range-games will determine the victor, as a skilled soloer won't be easily baited into a precarious position. I should know, I see examples of this in the Raging Angels (R|A) server daily.

So there you have it... as you can see, it's not as simple as your stupid generalization suggests.

Hm, but did you take into account that those two man teams had a microphone?
Pilot bad communication, gunner good comm. vs skilled/poor soloer.
Gunner bad comm. pilot good comm. vs skilled/poor soloer.
Gunner/pilot good comm. vs skilled/poor soloer.
Gunner/pilot bad comm. vs skilled/poor soloer.




Wait a minute, aren't most BF2 players not teamplayers, whether in the air or on the ground? Most of them just care about their score and nothing else...

[Iwantcable]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

Only if he doesn't suck.

[AncientSerpent3]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

Yes, of course.

Just because one flies alone, does not mean they aren't in direct contact with the rest of the team throughout the game.

I solo on almost all of my flights in BF2 but still work with my team to get our objectives completed.

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

A skilled pilot can get into range with TV and the move out once shot. A soloer does not have this advantage.

Surly you know this? or am i wrong?

It's actually quite possible for a soloer to take a "retreating shot": he just has to work slightly harder to arc the shot back down in order to line his shot back into position.

The other pilot can indeed get in range and retreat once his gunner shoots, but don't forget the soloer can play mind games and even daringly dodge while making his way forward to catch the pilot off-guard: this kind of move happens all the time in Raging Angels (R|A).

I donno why i subscribe to this thread, same old stuff & repllies everytime on these issues.
but i guess it could be seen either way depending on what you think of the game, arcade like soloing IMO is good, if you like a little realism then you need to fly with a gunner, just my opinon. wanna flame me send a PM cause im unsubing from this one.

You didn't see my novel of a post? I went in great detail to explain a lot and nobody actually replied or acknowledged it. If anything, I'm the one who should be depressed and stop posting in these threads... it always either falls on deaf ears or I'm preaching to the converted.

[Adamshannon8]

Re: Is a soloer a teamplayer?

Wow. Another thread.

yep...

Two players with a microphone in a helicopter > one person in a helicopter

lolz, then maby you should to to [CLU] (PW:CLU) and see if its still true

...but I get really frustrated when a guy tries to fly and: either runs into trees; doesn't use flares and gets shot down; shoots the chaingun at anything and everything, even the water; refuses to acknowledge my spots or even typed messages about priority targets; or pilots as if I'm not in the gunner seat, shooting FFARs at everything and never setting up the 2nd most powerful weapon in the game.....

...It's another thing if I stop and hover for three seconds while a chockblock chainguns a stationary tank instead of nailing it to the ground with a TVGM....

...So yeah, I think soloing is a viable option when it doesn't involve redlining or teamkilling....

^Well Said^

Then again, people are flying solo not because they care about the team play, but just to improve their personal score and to exploit the AA lock avoidance. If the teamwork was the real reason for them soloing I would be the first one to vote "yes". Also, I hate when they act like TV-ing while solo-ing is like learning rocket science.

lolz, soloers are More of a Team Player!

To anyone who doesn't belive me go to [CLU] Chopper Server (PW: CLU), and you will see that solo>ALL