*JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

[Rothy123]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

lol i hate jets

[Kapukluk]

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No more imbalances are needed at all. Stop whining everyone. :laugh:

[Wiking44]

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I've noticed fewer people playing on maps with jets these days. Seems like there are three types of people playing on those maps:

1. Those trying to get their aviation badge for promotion.
2. Plane whores who love to get 35:1 KD ratios and think they're special.
3. Those who spawned late and missed the aircraft.

Personally i don't mind choppers. They can be brought down from the ground with some work...including mounted MGs. But planes are virtually invulnerable from the ground and if your team isn't flying counter-air it's frustrating to be a ground pounder.

How about spawning AA mounts in random places that don't show up on the opponent's maps? That may help stop the SEAD that pretty-much stops people on the ground from defending themselves.

Oh who are we kidding? They're done with BF 2.

[Chris_Redfield]

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Typical.

People are trying to raise some compassion by complaining that they cant take down a jet in a 1 vs 1 situation. How sad...

When we start comparing those peoples time spent in AA to master it, against the peoples time spent in jets, then complaining that they cant take anyone down in 1 vs 1 is pure idiocy.

[Komet.nl]

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Ohw my I just had a round with some nub and he was happy he shot me down in a J-10. God I used more tactics. And I'm way more superior as him in the Jet but as lucky as he is. He fires a missile... Wham hit I got 20 -1 and he was 7-10 so I just ****ted on him and cursed there and there.

But back on-topic

This is the biggest issue imo it really just ruins maps. Wake Island 2007 Beautifull and fun map but it gets ruined by this. Team-switchers/stackers all over the place. It used to be a fun map but now it's just :\

I can get on the J-10's tail easily. Haven't met a good pilot in times well today I have :0 But that was on a empty server with someone I know.

But this will be fixed no matter how if they really like to make games then they should fix this! (Sidenote: Just came back from a game of Wake where I could of have a 0 K/D but damn those J-10's )

[Mo0by]

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Play Mashtuur :)

[Technikal]

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Funny thing is, I have a KDR bigger than yours in everything besides jets (and airdefense - arty kills)
Jet whores are always against changes that would give them actually some challenge. And they also don't have anything to support why things should remain as they are.



Jets can attack any place.

I'm not a "skilled pilot" or "jet whore" (check my stats if you want), and I don't want any changes.

[Kaimahi]

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Planes are GOD and anyone who doesn't admit this by now needs to pull their heads out of their mud caked orifices.

Stop making f'n excuses for them and then trying to side track the issue with your babbling (Comparing time in a jet vs time in AA? Trying to master AA? Whats the f'n point? We're all well aware at this stage that the only effective countermeasure against a plane is another plane and it is also well known that even here there is a great imbalance between the planes)

Just repeat the following

PLANES ARE OVERPOWERED
PLANES ARE OVERPOWERED
PLANES ARE OVERPOWERED

Gee I remember when I was such a mellow, passive person I guess reading the same retarded crap over and over has made me bitter...

Yes I'm a noob, idiot, moron, can't play the game, has no idea, blows goats, does bad things to puppets, you enjoyed my mother last night (hope you enjoy her crabs just as much) etc, etc (thought I would save the idiots some time and cover the generic and not so generic insults up front)

Have a pleasant day because I feel much better now

[dtaker]

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Actually, EA downplayed the power of jets quite a lot. First, you won't hear the approach of a supersonic jet. You only hear them after they've passed overhead, by then, it's too late.

Real jets are armed with a battery of precision guided stand-off weapons, usually, you'll meet the missile but not the plane, cheating eh?

They fly so fast and high, even real life AAA and SAMS had trouble coping with jets. Only jets could take down and jet. THat EA got right!

'Jets are God' Bad use of words but pretty much like that. Back in ww2 up to now, the outcome of a war is mostly decided by air power.

Finally, jets is the only thing in the game that give you the 'fear of war' in the game. I don't do any flying in BF2, only up to copter gunner. But I'd never want jets out or 'derrated'. I love the hearpounding moments when you have to hurry for something to shelter yourself with when a jet flies overheat. It simply brings huge touch of realism in the game.

[Chris_Redfield]

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dtaker, spot on. These days people are so concerned about playing for points that they forget that "overpowered" vehicles are a part of the immersion process.

As for that complaint post before yours, obviously a frustrated guy. Put your mind to it and you will not be killed by a jet once in a round.

[imported_DANK]

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Heres my view on it; I just got back from playing BF2142 and now that I came back to BF2 IO only servers all over now. Pilots kind of did it to themselves; but its hard to blame them for the tool they have and just having skill.

The Jet pilots did abuse a little; I guess this is the communities answer to the jet whores is to just ignore them and make IO servers.
The jets prohibit progress across the map sometimes and stall game play often; what it comes down to is that you just need a good ground crew and maybe one guy in the sky to keep em busy.
Everybody has got their opinion its just sometimes the minority will be more vocal than the majority; at the end of the day the players will vote with their login to the server or just do not care.

[Chris_Redfield]

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It takes a lot of work, experience and actual 3rd person perspective (in this case, pilots perspective) to avoid jets. Avoiding a jet isnt all that hard, and if youre on foot, its possible to NOT to die by a jet.

The problem is that people want to rely on their subconsciousness and simple methods to just log into a server and frag with little effort or little mindwork. Those people die, fail and afterwards whine.

[Kaimahi]

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Of course I'm frustrated and I am fairly confident there is a significant portion of the population that are frustrated with me because jets ARE OVERPOWERED go on you can admit it , it won't hurt.

I played SF 99% of my time (besides the once a week clan day with friends who don't have SF) because of jets and because of jets only. I am also not some random idiot that does all the basics and doesn't know how to avoid them, I know how to avoid them quite successfully its not actually that hard. I however refused to have to structure my game play around something that could kill me with impunity over and over.

As to not understanding that vehicles should be powerful, well you are wrong because I agree with this but they should not be invincible for 95% of the people playing. For example a tank is powerful it can one shot kill infantry with no issues, only a few classes have something to attack it with but it can be defeated if I or others play smart. If I was a medic and was killed I can spawn as anti-tank go back and engage it in a cat and mouse game of tag, I can spawn as recon and try to C4 it, I can grab another tank etc, etc to defeat it eventually if I am good enough. The point is I have a chance it is not handed on a plate to me but I have a chance. With a jet unless I am in a jet and in some cases the right type of jet I have no chance and the only thing I can do if I am not in a jet is avoid it. AA is useless its faults are well known, if I am killed I can't spawn as anti air to have another crack at it the jet just comes back and I am a free kill again. The bottom line is there are NO OTHER EFFECTIVE OPTIONS BESIDES BEING IN ANOTHER JET and it is the lack of that chance, those options that frustrates people.

Do jets have a place in the game? Yes they do, in their current form? No not at all. Jets need to be adjusted or the ways to deal with them increased, I do not have the answers and to be honest these days I play 2142 (where tha balance is much better, not perfect but much better) the majority of my time so I don't even care that much what they do with BF2 anymore. I just was glancing through and as I said saw the same retarded things being spouted in the jets defence. The realism angle is not so new but it has been bandied about before and I can see your point but in the end that falls short as well because realism is not what this game is about. If you want realism with jets then other areas should be the same as well. The Chinese/MEC tank shells should be bouncing off the superior armour of the U.S tanks, AA sites will not have big 'kill me boxes' around them and I will be able to target you from the Chinese airfield as you launch from the U.S carrier in Wake Island with that same AA.

Anyway enough, I know changing viewpoints on forums are about as likely as a poor person becoming President of the U.S

Rubber Ducky over and out

[.Churr.]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

Actually, EA downplayed the power of jets quite a lot. First, you won't hear the approach of a supersonic jet. You only hear them after they've passed overhead, by then, it's too late.

You actually hear jets passing overhead only. Or at least you should only when jet speed > speed of sound (1238 km/h)

Well, here I have a couple of screenshots (same round) of me playing Dalian in a jet:



I had 2 deaths before getting it. All the kills were in the plane; meaning I scored like 37-2 in a jet. And I am really bad with jets, but didn't stop me from killing rather easily with it.

[Supermario]

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I like your ping. ^^