*JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

If you can fly a chopper, you can fly a jet. Its easier to fly a jet than to fly a chopper. And the "score" you got. Jesus Christ... You were flying the J10. F35B cant touch it unless the opposing pilot is good, so you had no opposition.

As for the continuation of complaints about jets. I stopped taking them seriously when I noticed that people were too busy doing their own busyness in a selfish manner, than actually focusing their efforts against a threat. Youre saying that a jet is invincible... Sorry Jack, but a jet is invincible for aslong as it is allowed to be invincible. Thats as simple as I can put it.

2 men, with experience, manning 2 separate AAs, following the tips, can make the skies an unpleasant place for a pilot. I have seen a Mi-28 cre DEVASTATE the ground, and none, absolutely NONE of my team actually went to take care of the threat. Eventually, I had to steal a FAV, hide myself and hunt the crew. It was a 1000 ticket game, and I did it for the entire round.

All the time I see people ignore the threats. And when they go against it, they wont go to win. I have no problems with creating a huge problem for a pilot from the ground. But Ive noticed that it becomes a work, and not fun.

[Kaimahi]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

Unpleasant? yeah jeez that stops the jet pilot, go back repair, take one AA out then the next maybe a couple minutes lost big whoop back to farming. As long as I choose to let it be invincible? Please that statement is one of the funniest things I have heard perhaps you should have said the jet is invincible as long as it allows itself to be, only the new or stupid are killed these days by those on the ground.

As to selfishness, please in SF if a chopper is tearing it up I am always looking to take it down or at least drive it out of the area. I have played with plenty of people who do the same also because they hate being farmed as much as I do by air power. Are there selfish people in the game? of course there are, looking out for number one, unsportsmanlike behaviour, being an idiot and hiding behind the internet is something you are guaranteed to find in a competitive online game. In saying that there are also plenty out there who play for fun and get into the teamwork aspect of the game and I am sad you have not had the pleasure of playing with them you actually sound like someone I would like to have on my side.

You have some good ideas and are obviously an intelligent guy but I stopped taking you seriously when you continued to defend jets.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

Are you willing to spend a whole round on just jet hunting? I dont think so. And there are 60 people on the server who run around thinking that taking down a jet/chopper is not their problem. Im sorry, I just dont take any complainer seriously. Unless they complain about missile not hitting correctly, or unless they have a good solution to what they call, a problem.

Sorry, Ive seen enough of good people ruining jet jockeys days on servers and Ive done it myself. All it takes is commitment. You lack it, thats none of my, as a jetwhores, concern.

[Kaimahi]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

I shouldn't have to spend an entire round jet hunting why should I have to spend my time chasing one vehicle ineffectively over and over?

You know nothing about me but choose to say I do not have the commitment, commitment to what a video game where the only purpose I expect to have when logging in is fun?. YOU yourself have said the AA hunting turns into a type of work and also pointed out how crap the hit detection is hence again I ask why would I bother being in the AA when I know its bugged and pretty useles? I don't know what are you saying here? Your just going around in circles contradicting yourself.

My experiance obviously differs from yours I can't remember a game in recent memory where air power did not dominate especially at this stage of the games release. As previously stated bar the new or stupid pilots jets rule the game with little threat to their dominance in the games I participate in and judging from the responses many others have that same experiance.

Because I don't have a solution I cannot comment? what a retarded thing to say. It's not my game I am not paid a salary to come up a solution but I have every right to point out what I think is an imbalance that ruined my fun while playing I mean in the end that is what counts having fun during the game and this is a forum right? right?

Bah you've done what you've always done when someone has questioned your viewpoint turned it into my fault for not living up to some fictitious level of worth you have in your head. I'm done but it has been fun

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

I shouldn't have to spend an entire round jet hunting why should I have to spend my time chasing one vehicle ineffectively over and over?

Bingo, you just said it yourself. You dont have the commitment to actually challenge a jet. Youre obviously complaining just to complain, and youre obviously looking for an easy-mode solution. Heres one for you- BF2142. In BF2142 air vehicles lack the power to fulfill their role on the battlefield. In fact, air vehicles in BF2142 lack the purpose and are only added in just because its been a part of BF franchise to have an air vehicle.

Youre saying ineffectively. What if I told you that one skilled STA operator can cut off at least 30% of a jet pilots kills? Being in the STA requires a selfless person who will put himself/herself into the risk of getting killed over and over again. STA is inferior to a jet, in every single possible way. STA is also not an offensive tool, its a defensive tool so it should be inferior. But with STAs, strenght comes in numbers- 2 dedicated STA operators can break down enemy air power.

Youre asking "why should I?". Thats the EXACT mentality I see on the servers. People disregard air power and let the pilots do whatever they like to do. And then they come on over to the forums to whine.

Theres another important aspect, and its skill level. A jet pilot who faces a STA operator probably has an experience rate of 100:1. 100 hours for every STA operators hour, and here Im being generous. Its common sense that people accept that less skilled and less experienced people should die like zerglings, so why should this be any different? This also introduces all the wildcards for a jet pilot, as the target is usually sitting in the STA site, comfortably marking himself on the radar. The lock distance for STA site is 375 metres, and 375 metres is the distance at which targets show on jets HUD.

You know nothing about me but choose to say I do not have the commitment, commitment to what a video game where the only purpose I expect to have when logging in is fun?.

I dont need to know what sign you are, were arguing over your opinion on air power, and youre just another one of those 60 players who think that guarding the air should be someone elses problem. Im sorry, but this gives you no right to complain.

YOU yourself have said the AA hunting turns into a type of work and also pointed out how crap the hit detection is hence again I ask why would I bother being in the AA when I know its bugged and pretty useles?

No. I didnt say that theres crap hit detection. Apart from J10s hit detection against Phalanx missiles, the hit detection is fine. But Phalanx missiles are different than Grouse/Stinger anyway. STA missiles arent useless, the problem is that the pilots have hundreds of hours of experience in assaulting in self-defense, while the STA operators have tens of minutes of experience in using the STA. The difference in experience is massive. And thats the problem with a game where skill of a player matters. The problems with the STA missiles are its limited coverage area, which on map, would look pretty impressive nonetheless.

I made this last July/June for the 32 Oman map.



The thing is, pilots often use avoiding STA sites technique, and assault STA sites which are marked as "occupied" on their map. STA operators have no idea how a pilot operates and as such they fall as victims a lot. This is the enourmous gap between experience and skill. If you want DICE to create teethless jets and uberpowered STA, go play BF2142, it also offers you a legalized statpadding environment where you can roam around the map and get points for all sorts of actions, which may have nothing to do with your skill, at all.

I don't know what are you saying here? Your just going around in circles contradicting yourself.

My experiance obviously differs from yours I can't remember a game in recent memory where air power did not dominate especially at this stage of the games release. As previously stated bar the new or stupid pilots jets rule the game with little threat to their dominance in the games I participate in and judging from the responses many others have that same experiance.

About the FUN aspect of it. Ive said it before, manning a STA site is no fun, and thats where DIE failed. If STAs were as fun to use as jets, the skill level between offense and defense would be equal.

Because I don't have a solution I cannot comment? what a retarded thing to say.

Absolutely not. In order for your post to be classified above "crying", you have to have a reasonable complaint and your point of view on a solution. Otherwise its simply complaining, and from the looks of it, its complaining from a "lazy" gamer.

It's not my game I am not paid a salary to come up a solution but I have every right to point out what I think is an imbalance that ruined my fun while playing I mean in the end that is what counts having fun during the game and this is a forum right? right?

Seriously. Im a jet whore, who has aquired a taste for ground action. And really the ONLY time I really thought that jets were awfully pounding me, is when I was attacking an enemy flag and a fierce stalemate was created. The problem was that the server ran FF off, so a Su-34 could bomb the flag with no negative impact. We had no pilots and I couldnt run to man a STA site (nobody else did) to at least annoy the Su. So we were pounded, and pounded and I became quite irritated. Otherwise, a jet rarely kills me because I am a pilot myself, can think like a pilot, and actually realize how easy it is t avoid a jet. As a matter of fact I fear helos more than jets because they offer a close-in air support, which I can not challenge unless I use a proper tool, and I can not hide from.

Bah you've done what you've always done when someone has questioned your viewpoint turned it into my fault for not living up to some fictitious level of worth you have in your head. I'm done but it has been fun.

When I joined these forums, I was eager to teach people. Came up with tons of tips. Other people have posted indepth STA guides. But on every thread like yours, that I replied, 10 new ones were created. And then I realized that people are not interested in getting better, people are not interested in changing and adapting, they just want to b!thc their heart out. And then I stopped taking any of these complaints seriously, unless they truly came up with a viable problem as hit detection, and came up with solutions, no matter how bad they were.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

Edited for doubleposting.

[St.Sasquatch]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

the AA class would be handy on Karkand!

[Kaimahi]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

LOL nice essay, same rehashed crap with more personal attacks though so *Yawn*

You think because you had some suggestions this gives you more rights or makes you a special snowflake? Sorry it doesn't work that way no matter how hard you wish it were so. The bottom line is I payed for the game so I have just as much right as you or anyone else to make my opinion known on a public forum. You don't like it? Bad Luck, wait it's not luck just a plain fact

Toodles

[zymyo]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

I play lock-on:modern air combat and I have no problem kicking the j-10's *** with my f-35 on bf2, you just need skills to fly planes, not make threads how developers should listen to you, because they don't.

[.Churr.]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

I play lock-on:modern air combat and I have no problem kicking the j-10's *** with my f-35 on bf2, you just need skills to fly planes, not make threads how developers should listen to you, because they don't.

I challenge you, my retarded friend, to take me down in a J-10 vs F-35B dogfight.

I suck with jets but I will probably kick your fat *** out of the sky.

Christ, you are the single dumbest poster ever.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

LOL nice essay, same rehashed crap with more personal attacks though so *Yawn*

You think because you had some suggestions this gives you more rights or makes you a special snowflake? Sorry it doesn't work that way no matter how hard you wish it were so. The bottom line is I payed for the game so I have just as much right as you or anyone else to make my opinion known on a public forum. You don't like it? Bad Luck, wait it's not luck just a plain fact

Toodles

Sure, just continue b!tching and sodding like a little girl, and once you get smart enough, or just get tired of crying, you can actually go play BF2142.

Im sorry I bombed you too much.

I challenge you, my retarded friend, to take me down in a J-10 vs F-35B dogfight.

I suck with jets but I will probably kick your fat *** out of the sky.

Christ, you are the single dumbest poster ever.

No no no! I have 1000 hours in Microsoft Flight Simulator and I have no problems with downing F35Bs with J10. Its skill I tell you, skill!

[Bickus^Dickus]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

Who gives a toss if they are overpowered or not ,all you flyboys can kiss my *** ,sitting up there why us grunts do all the leg work only for one of you flyboys to drop a 500pound bomb on us.
All you flyboys think your something special ,ffs its not like your highly skilled or are a asset to your team ,most of the time you flyboys spend 90 percent of the round jumping up and down killing eachother waiting at the airfield.
Death to all flyboys.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

Hahahah! On the contrary. With such crying, it makes me think that flyboys have been an asset to the opposing team.

[Komet.nl]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

Well still no answer from anyone from [DICE] not CKMC not Demize nobody.. I'll wonder if they'll ever change the J-10 Turn radius or the F35-B Missile Magnet Issue.. It seems easy to fix right?

[Kaimahi]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

Sure, just continue b!tching and sodding like a little girl, and once you get smart enough, or just get tired of crying, you can actually go play BF2142.

Im sorry I bombed you too much

And the funny part is this crying little girl who isn't smart enough has played you like a fiddle through this little email war, take the bait much? As if a VIDEO GAME, yes I said it it's out there, a VIDEO GAME (I'll underline it so you do not miss it as you seem to have blurred the lines in your real life over what it is judging by the amount of time you seemed to have ploughed into it) means that much to me.

I enjoy goading arrogant, self important people like you. Letting you show others how idiotic you are behind the pseudo intellectual garbage and stats you like to spout makes the day so much more fun.

:laugh: at you

Oh well now the game is revealed it's rather pointless to post at you anymore, feel free to insult me some more though your replies keep me laughing.