*JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

[Blades]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

the solution is easy, just give us the missiles of 1.2

So it is even EASIER to kill a chopper"? The missles in 1.2 ALWAYS hit the attack choppers.

[.Churr.]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

First, it is ridiculous how people with no arguments insult me
Obviously I am tempted to respond using the same level of childish and pointless language, but I'll try to be civilized.

So this method is used by n00bs against n00bs. Im sorry, if your skill level is that low that a jet takes you out with missiles, all the time, dont blame DICE.

Me in a jet vs. You in a chopper. C'mon, let's do it!

This is where its shown that you cant think straight. A jet has to suffer if it makes mistakes during its job. A tactical mistake would be to bomb a flag, while being targeted by 2 STAs and being out of flares. You actually want to ground the planes so that players had a go at it, as opposed to create a formidable solution for players to take down a flying jet.

No, YOU CAN'T think straight. While it is possible to kill any other vehicle or player in game; no matter what they do, it is almost impossible to do it with a jet when the pilot knows what he is doing. This is why it should be balanced so other players actually stand a chance.

Im sure if it was that easy, DICE would have made it themselves. But the fact that heatsources are universal, all the same, and you ignored it, makes me think you know jacksh!t what youre talking about, again. The only protection a friendly has, is blocked HUD marking. A live missile tracks every target it can, if it misses its primary target.

So a smart coder would make a missile deactivate itsself when it doesnt hit the first target, not create some imaginary code that wouldnt even work in BF2.

Bwahahahahahahaha! "heatsources are universal". Ahahahahahahahahah!
It is a game, *******.

FYI I can code in a lot of languages, being proficient in C/C++ and PHP (which is the backend of the forum you are using right now). I have no idea on how that was coded in BF2, but I am pretty sure that if the coding is not too sloppy and follow a certain logic, something like that could be easily implemented.

Let me tell you what exploiting is- seatswitching to make missiles miss your chopper (proven by a video, lock doesnt change, but the missiles miss the chopper regardless), and using all that power of a chopper all alone.

Mostly I do that because there are not pilots or gunners around that can match my soloing. And don't even compare chopper soloing with jets ; a jet whore can get a jet for himself and not rely on morons. Besides the firepower a soloer has doesnt match a jet's.

a jetwhore that has no deaths makes a regular round.

Ah, youre a moron.

Really? Let me show you something.
These are 5 consecutive rounds I played TODAY in Wake.

Round 1:


I join just join the game near its end. 3RD*NAME kills me twice with the J-10; I was on ground. He ends with 33-0. Our team's first flew the F35-B.

Round 2:


I switch to China, get angry with people OOB-Tking and M95-TKing me for the chopper and I retaliate, which is the reason for my craptastic team score. Gunpiss is in the J-10. He was killed 3 times before getting the J-10, having only a few kills. Means he made probably around 30-0. Also notice how 3RD*NAME, without his jet, can't score.

Round 3:


I spend most of the round flying with blind and dumb pilots. I die a lot, not killing too much. 3RD*NAME scores 53-0; F90DEX which is the 2nd scores 34-3. Both of them in a J-10.

Round 4:


I got the Z-10 but somebody sniped me out. During the middle of the round I got kicked due to execessive teamkilling, but the J-10 whores were already on top.

Round 5:



I spend the round again flying with ... a median pilot and a couple of noobs.
J-10 whore does 28-0, and dies after we lose all flags. (No, Plane whoring can make we lose flags)

Besides 3RD*NAME, the others who whored the jet proved to be ridiculous pilots in the chopper. Yet they didn't die... And all score XX-0.

Yes, XX-0 IS a regular score for a jet whore. If you can't do that, you suck.

[Batausu]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

First, it is ridiculous how people with no arguments insult me

You are talking to PW under this name disguise. If you read Chris_Redfield's post on BF2142 forum, you'll see what I'm talking about.
I suggest others to do the same.
It seems PW has many accounts around here and likes to manipulate people.

[colony]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

OK, I am usually against all whining, but jets are very irritating so I couldn't help myself. There is not a vehicle or weapon in BF2 as powerful as a jet. Since day one, a lot of nerfs happened.

Grenade Launcher: I was not used to do it, this nerf now rendered the Assault class useless.
C4 Chucking: The thing I loved to do most as infantry, it's now gone. The freaking C4 detonation radius was also reduced.
No bunny hopping / jump and shoot: Basically one of the silliest nerfs against infantry
Attack choppers: Rocket (hydra) count, armor and TV missile range reduced. WTF?? Why didn't they just made choppers unable to fly?
Blackhawk: Goodbye to minigun of doom... The only needed nerf.

And guess what, nothing has been done for jets! And there are basically very few weapons against it:

1. Another jet: Probably the only reliable way to take down a jet. If the other jet is a J-10, there's more imbalance. Now, if your team is dumb and have taken your own jet and it gets pwned, you are pretty much screwed as the jet whore will be able to baserape you to death.

2. Anti-Air: Totally retarded weapon that has a box around for the pilot's strafing convenience. More skilled pilots will likely take 0.2 seconds to kill an AA station. Even if it's not killed, the missiles don't always hit a locked target.

3. Mobile AA: Present only in a few maps, also suffer from the some of the normal AA's problems.

Other vehicles, including choppers, and infantry can be easily negated and are not valid threats that can kill jets in a regular basis.

Baseraping, uber-powerful-cannon-of-death, going 10 mph are among the cheap tricks jet whores employ... I often see people suggesting fixes and I've made some myself...

Suggested fixes that cannot/should not be used:

1. Nerf up the F-35 (against J-10 imbalance). This still leaves the other 60 players in a 64 against even more powerful jets.

2. Nerf up the AA in any way, including:
2a: Improving lock-on
2b: Improving range
2c: Creating an AA class, like AT
2d: Mobile AA's in all maps.

This would kill choppers.

Suggested fixes that can / should be used:

1. Nerf the jet's cannon. It's utterly retarded to have a such powerful cannon in game. Who flies choppers of any kind knows that a jet can make a single run (in bomb mode, so no warning) and in less than a second you are toast and like "WTF?".

That thing needs to be down to something closer to the AH-1Z or Z-10's cannon. Or better, no cannon at all!

2. Jets should stall on low speeds. Seriously, you see people flying like 10 mph to strafe a chopper or drop bombs with 100% accuracy and this is retarded. This would decrease the my number of deaths against noob pilots, but still not a good fix for more skilled pilots (AKA jet whores).

3. Decrease jet armor: It is also a good idea to bring down it's armor so a single AA missile hit kills it and a chopper hydra leaves it flaming. This would also make them more wary to engage targets with low health.

4. Jets should land to repair or rearm. This is just perfect. How the F a jet repairs/rearms itself passing at 300 KM/h and 100 mts above an airstrip? I know it's not meant to be realistic, but an arcade game and blah blah blah so on so forth, but this is just way too cheap.

Forcing them to land would give all other players to have a chance to take the mofo down, besides decreasing the time a jet can have in the air.

:laugh:

You are a tool. You are just angry jets are shooting you down in your chopper all the time, and you cant do nothing about it.

Guess what, Jets >>>>>> choppers in real life and in game, so get over it. You will never be on equal ground as a jet using a chopper, you will get owned everytime.

You just want jets nerfed or taken out completely (aka BF2142 if you are interested) so you can more easily dominate the ground untouched.

Stupid chopper whore.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

First, it is ridiculous how people with no arguments insult me
Obviously I am tempted to respond using the same level of childish and pointless language, but I'll try to be civilized.

No, you just stick your face in the mud and keep going, ignoring everything Ive said...

Me in a jet vs. You in a chopper. C'mon, let's do it!

Whats the possible outcome of such fight?

Especially once weve established that Jets are higher than choppers in the foodchain? Are you ONCE AGAIN trying to prove gravity?

No, YOU CAN'T think straight. While it is possible to kill any other vehicle or player in game; no matter what they do, it is almost impossible to do it with a jet when the pilot knows what he is doing. This is why it should be balanced so other players actually stand a chance.

You are a joke! You want certain vehicles to be killed in the game NO MATTER what the pilot tries to do. Youre an idiot who cant think straight. Heres a wakeup call. You finished the round in Mashtuur with 64-0. Yet you have no problems with it.

Bwahahahahahahaha! "heatsources are universal". Ahahahahahahahahah!
It is a game, *******.

Obviously knowledge needs to be fed to you, with a bigass wooden spoon.

All heatsources in all air vehicles in BF2 are the same, theres no difference. This is why missiles, upon launch track the heatsource it was launched towards. The HUD just marks the friendlies as non-lockables, but after the missiles are launched, and they miss the target, they go after the first heatsource. Be it a friendly, or a foe. Dumbas5.

FYI I can code in a lot of languages, being proficient in C/C++ and PHP (which is the backend of the forum you are using right now). I have no idea on how that was coded in BF2, but I am pretty sure that if the coding is not too sloppy and follow a certain logic, something like that could be easily implemented.

Yup, impressive. For a guy who has come up with a professional solution - "fix the TKs". Well done.

Mostly I do that because there are not pilots or gunners around that can match my soloing. And don't even compare chopper soloing with jets ; a jet whore can get a jet for himself and not rely on morons. Besides the firepower a soloer has doesnt match a jet's.

It doesnt? A soloer can take out 8 pieces of armor in 1 minute flat. A jet cant do that. Soloers are pointwhores who wont allow themselves to be hindered by lesser skilled pilots. Dont kid yourself, youre a hypocritical pointwhore, just as you accuse all pilots to be.

Really? Let me show you something.
These are 5 consecutive rounds I played TODAY in Wake.

Round 1:


I join just join the game near its end. 3RD*NAME kills me twice with the J-10; I was on ground. He ends with 33-0. Our team's first flew the F35-B.

Round 2:


I switch to China, get angry with people OOB-Tking and M95-TKing me for the chopper and I retaliate, which is the reason for my craptastic team score. Gunpiss is in the J-10. He was killed 3 times before getting the J-10, having only a few kills. Means he made probably around 30-0. Also notice how 3RD*NAME, without his jet, can't score.

Round 3:


I spend most of the round flying with blind and dumb pilots. I die a lot, not killing too much. 3RD*NAME scores 53-0; F90DEX which is the 2nd scores 34-3. Both of them in a J-10.

Round 4:


I got the Z-10 but somebody sniped me out. During the middle of the round I got kicked due to execessive teamkilling, but the J-10 whores were already on top.

Round 5:



I spend the round again flying with ... a median pilot and a couple of noobs.
J-10 whore does 28-0, and dies after we lose all flags. (No, Plane whoring can make we lose flags)

Besides 3RD*NAME, the others who whored the jet proved to be ridiculous pilots in the chopper. Yet they didn't die... And all score XX-0.

You have shown me 3 pilots of which 2 made 2 or more rounds with XX-0 score. Thats hardly calling it a "regular" score, especially when 3 of those pilots were

*Competent (which hardly means regular) pilots
*Flew the J10

To feed you some knowledge with the spoon, those pilots face 2 STAs maximum, if the round is played right. One of these STA sites can be shot from the land. So basically, if they want to rape the ship, they face one STA site.

As a matter of fact, I find nothing odd in those screens. Youve brought up a screenshot from perhaps one of the most imbalanced maps in the whole BF2 list. Way to prove a point.

Yes, XX-0 IS a regular score for a jet whore. If you can't do that, you suck.

Correction, a XX-0 score is a regular score for a J10 whore who flies in Wake. Its an extreme. BUT, the real reason behind them scoring XX-0 is not because they dont have to land (which you want to encourage as the ultimate solution to all jet problems), but because the opposing air force is a joke, and people attempting to kill them from STA sites are morons who think that by sitting those STA sites they are safe and allpowerful.

You are talking to PW under this name disguise. If you read Chris_Redfield's post on BF2142 forum, you'll see what I'm talking about.
I suggest others to do the same.
It seems PW has many accounts around here and likes to manipulate people.

Youre an idiot. PM a moderator and he will give you an answer. Two totally different IPs.

[Roger Smith]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

Grenade Launcher: I was not used to do it, this nerf now rendered the Assault class useless.

the kit structure problems in bf2 go far beyond the grenade launcher. the grenade launcher nerf was an attempt to undermine noobs who grenade launcher thier feet, sadly, didnt turn out that way.

C4 Chucking: The thing I loved to do most as infantry, it's now gone. The freaking C4 detonation radius was also reduced.

i agree, c4 didnt need to be touched, but this is comming from a guy that thinks vehicles dont have near enough low speed torque or speed in general.

No bunny hopping / jump and shoot: Basically one of the silliest nerfs against infantry

**** off you damn quake playing *****. you want a fairly realistic jet but not fairly realistic soldier.

Attack choppers: Rocket (hydra) count, armor and TV missile range reduced. WTF?? Why didn't they just made choppers unable to fly?

the hydra count is fine, although i dont think they should hurt tanks any more than 20mm cannon bullets andi think they should all be fired at once rather than in vollys. also i agree that the tv range shouldnt have been reduced, or it simply shouldnt blow up after guidence time.

Blackhawk: Goodbye to minigun of doom... The only needed nerf.

exactly, its either blackhawks with decent survivability, or the old guns, one or the other.

2. Anti-Air: Totally retarded weapon that has a box around for the pilot's strafing convenience. More skilled pilots will likely take 0.2 seconds to kill an AA station. Even if it's not killed, the missiles don't always hit a locked target.

indeed the state of aa in general is pathetic.

1. Nerf up the F-35 (against J-10 imbalance). This still leaves the other 60 players in a 64 against even more powerful jets.

believe me, the problem is much more complex than that.

2. Nerf up the AA in any way, including:
2a: Improving lock-on
2b: Improving range
2c: Creating an AA class, like AT
2d: Mobile AA's in all maps.

This would kill choppers.

chopper to aa combat is fine, the lock is fine, and no need for an aa kit this late in the game, as long as aa works that is. also no need for aaa if aa works in the first place. i totally agree with impoved range though.

1. Nerf the jet's cannon. It's utterly retarded to have a such powerful cannon in game. Who flies choppers of any kind knows that a jet can make a single run (in bomb mode, so no warning) and in less than a second you are toast and like "WTF?".

screw that, the cannon is fine, its once again ineffective aa that leaves the cannon on top of aa.

2. Jets should stall on low speeds. Seriously, you see people flying like 10 mph to strafe a chopper or drop bombs with 100% accuracy and this is retarded. This would decrease the my number of deaths against noob pilots, but still not a good fix for more skilled pilots (AKA jet whores).

lol, how do you plan on landing then? this is dumb man.

3. Decrease jet armor: It is also a good idea to bring down it's armor so a single AA missile hit kills it and a chopper hydra leaves it flaming. This would also make them more wary to engage targets with low health.

hell ya!

4. Jets should land to repair or rearm. This is just perfect. How the F a jet repairs/rearms itself passing at 300 KM/h and 100 mts above an airstrip? I know it's not meant to be realistic, but an arcade game and blah blah blah so on so forth, but this is just way too cheap.

im down

[Batausu]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

Youre an idiot. PM a moderator and he will give you an answer. Two totally different IPs.

Hey, PW, stop talking to yourself, man.
Nobody is listen to you anymore.
Try to get a life.
Not everybody is an idiot, PW.
It's not hard to change your IP, everybody knows that.
You could call yourself George_Bush if you like, I'll know it's you.
It's so easy to spot you: every change you want is based on the same thing.
Yes, you guessed it: "lack of skill".
And every time you meet a person who disagree, what do you say to him?
"You're an idiot". "You have no skill". You're full of retardation".
So I really don't care about your remarks now and I'm sure people already know what you are.
PW, Bungalow_Bill, colony, Chris_Redfield, roger smith, *FMJ*Power or whatever you choose to call yourself, have a nice day.
No wonder there wasn't and will never be a fight between PW and colony. It's the same character behind them all.
I suggest the good people here to watch for the PW's signs and simply ignore him.
You're a waste of our time.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

LOL

You got me, I confess.

Im here under many different aliases. PlaneWhore, colony, *FMJ*Power and Chris_Redfield just being ones of them. I didnt like the name "roger smith" first, but I had to use it since I needed a 5th opinion. Ever seen the movie "Idendity"? Its where 7-8 identities get cracked and one remains. There was this smart psychologist, and you sure look like that same guy.

I never thought this conspiracy gets cracked... now I need to find myself another hobby.

[Batausu]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

I thought there is a rule around here about one person not being allowed to have more than one account. Is it true? We saw where this could get us.
Perhaps an admin could look into this.
PW, I have nothing against you, personally. It's your character that needs an upgrade. Loose the insults and start listening the other's opinion. It could benefit you in the long run. Choose a name and stick with it. Be a man.

[.Churr.]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

Whats the possible outcome of such fight?

Especially once weve established that Jets are higher than choppers in the foodchain? Are you ONCE AGAIN trying to prove gravity?

That's correct. That's why I die in a chopper against jet whores. They are my primary source of deaths. And that's why I don't like them.

You are a joke! You want certain vehicles to be killed in the game NO MATTER what the pilot tries to do. Youre an idiot who cant think straight. Heres a wakeup call. You finished the round in Mashtuur with 64-0. Yet you have no problems with it.

A joke is have a vehicle that is almost invulnerable in game. Any other vehicle or player that accomplishes XX-0 scores are either very cautious or face negligible opposition. A jet whore can regularly do that, I repeat, regularly.

All heatsources in all air vehicles in BF2 are the same, theres no difference. This is why missiles, upon launch track the heatsource it was launched towards. The HUD just marks the friendlies as non-lockables, but after the missiles are launched, and they miss the target, they go after the first heatsource. Be it a friendly, or a foe. Dumbas5.

Doesn't matter, there has to be a way of identifying the vehicles as friend or foe. Just don't register the hit if it's friendly and that's done.

It doesnt? A soloer can take out 8 pieces of armor in 1 minute flat. A jet cant do that. Soloers are pointwhores who wont allow themselves to be hindered by lesser skilled pilots. Dont kid yourself, youre a hypocritical pointwhore, just as you accuse all pilots to be.

I obviously won't allow myself to be hindered by lesser skilled pilots or gunners. If the jets had all 2 seats, would you?
Yes, all pilots are hypocritical point whores.

You have shown me 3 pilots of which 2 made 2 or more rounds with XX-0 score. Thats hardly calling it a "regular" score, especially when 3 of those pilots were

No, EVERY round there was at least 1 J-10 whore scoring XX-0.
They are different people because not all J-10 whores could grab the jet. And that's why some of them disappear in the lower scores; they can't do anything else. And those who grabbed the jet won't die.

Chris_Redfield sure does look a lot like PlaneWhore, IDK about colony and the others though...
Didn't see enough posts from them. Wow, you have a lot of time to waste =/

Basically, everyone arguing against me here are jet whores, so it isn't really fair. This post was moved from the General section to feedback; if this was in Battlefield 2 Discussion I bet more people would agree with me.

EDIT: Oh, you say that's because the map is Wake Island.
Next time I have an opportunity, I'll show screens from other maps.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

That's correct. That's why I die in a chopper against jet whores. They are my primary source of deaths. And that's why I don't like them.

As an infantry player, I hate choppers. I really do. I feel absolutely powerless against them because I feel like Im the only player who has the motivation to kill one. I feel like Im the only player who will take a jeep, drive it in the middle of nowhere to set up a chopper ambush. Thats a sign of relentless hunt for that certain aspect of the game. If you show the same against a jet, you will take it down. Its up to DICE to finally fix STA and ATA up so everything hits everything at an equal base. But DICE shouldnt listen to people like you who want a jet grounded, forever.

Consider this. It takes 10 rounds of direct cannon hits or 2 missiles to kill a jet. And 2 bombs. Your idea of "balanced ping-pong baserape" has already failed. Because even with your nerf to the minimum baserape-ability, you give a jet 5 rounds of cannon ammo, one missile and no bombs. :laugh:

A joke is have a vehicle that is almost invulnerable in game. Any other vehicle or player that accomplishes XX-0 scores are either very cautious or face negligible opposition. A jet whore can regularly do that, I repeat, regularly.

No. Any other vehicle is always visible on the battleground and as such is a target to if not constant fire, then at least constant attention. A jet makes lightning attacks which are spaces in between. As such, people do not feel like taking a jet on. A jet, as any other BF2 part of the game is as invoulnerable as the crowd lets it to be.

Doesn't matter, there has to be a way of identifying the vehicles as friend or foe. Just don't register the hit if it's friendly and that's done.

That would require FF-OFF setting. But would you like missiles that dont chase friendlies at all (new written code) or play in FF-OFF setting? If you prefer FF-OFF. Revert to patch 1.2, choose a FF-OFF server and cut the bitchin´.

I obviously won't allow myself to be hindered by lesser skilled pilots or gunners. If the jets had all 2 seats, would you?
Yes, all pilots are hypocritical point whores.

"Fvck the world, aslong as Im allowed to do what I want to do."

You, sir, are a first class assclown.

And yes, I would love it if bombs would be co-pilot use only. I think it would promote teamwork and dependancy on your coplayers. Plus, Ive met great people who gunned for me in one form or another.

No, EVERY round there was at least 1 J-10 whore scoring XX-0.
They are different people because not all J-10 whores could grab the jet. And that's why some of them disappear in the lower scores; they can't do anything else. And those who grabbed the jet won't die.

I dont get it. Youre perfectly fine with tanking in Mashtuur with a score of 62-0, but you cant accept a jet going at the same score?

Chris_Redfield sure does look a lot like PlaneWhore, IDK about colony and the others though...
Didn't see enough posts from them. Wow, you have a lot of time to waste =/

LOL. You two are *******es. I lost the net for 3 or 4 days, in the same time colony, PW, *FMJ*Power and whoever the fvck else you claim to be my aliases kept on posting. :laugh:

Basically, everyone arguing against me here are jet whores, so it isn't really fair. This post was moved from the General section to feedback; if this was in Battlefield 2 Discussion I bet more people would agree with me.

Sure, "jetwhores". Coming from a "chopper whore" who just happens to want the element higher on the foodchain to be dropped 3 steps below. How ironic.

EDIT: Oh, you say that's because the map is Wake Island.
Next time I have an opportunity, I'll show screens from other maps.

Looking forward to.

[Batausu]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

LOL. You two are *******es. I lost the net for 3 or 4 days, in the same time colony, PW, *FMJ*Power and whoever the fvck else you claim to be my aliases kept on posting. :laugh:

It sounds like somebody wants his job back… :laugh:
Don’t you have some hate promoting threads to start on the other forum?!

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

It sounds like somebody wants his job back… :laugh:
Don’t you have some hate promoting threads to start on the other forum?!

Did I hurt your feelings, fanboy?

[Batausu]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

Did I hurt your feelings, fanboy?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You are so funny, but in an evil kind of way…
I’m not a BF2142 fan boy.
I’m a BF2 fan boy, believe it or not.
But I guess you already know that… :p

[colony]

Re: *JET* imbalance... This needs seriously to be fixed

churrasco, repeat after me:

jets are better than choppers
jets are better than choppers
jets are better than choppers
jets are better than choppers
jets are better than choppers
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jets are better than choppers
jets are better than choppers
jets are better than choppers
jets are better than choppers
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jets are better than choppers
jets are better than choppers
jets are better than choppers
jets are better than choppers
jets are better than choppers

what you are asking for isnt possible as long as BF2 exists. Maybe 2142 will be more to your liking, go fly the gunships.