No Vehicle option details

[Talus]

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Heck..why not remove the AT class altogether while they're at it....

[DOGGiE52]

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TOW missile left in place

Why do we need a TOW if there's no vehicles?

[Talus]

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Ok, but realize that I'm not suggesting they REMOVE the option altogether.

Just avoid all of the hassle of locking in one ruleset by leaving it as unranked.

YOU CAN STILL PLAY ON SERVERS WITH INFANTRY ONLY.

People who want that option can still use it. And they can use it with more flexibility.

Now, do you see the difference?

Since people are so ticked off at the current balance issues, most ranked servers would switch to Infantry Only...and then those of us that ENJOY Battlefield as a complete combat game are screwed.

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Ok, time for me to chime in.

1. I would feel more comfortable knowing that this new 'infantry only' option is not taking time and people away from fixing bugs and balance.
   
   
2. This option should not be allowed on ranked servers. This is a BATTLEFIELD game. The Battlefield series heralded in vehicles in this type of online game. This option would be a step BACK for the franchise. Including it as a ranked option is like admitting that Battlefield is trying to be more like Counter-Strike. Battlefield should stand its ground and IMPROVE the BALANCE of having vehicles included rather than remove them...thus admitting defeat.
   
   
3. If 'Infantry Only' is unranked only, then you can give the SERVER ADMIN all of the sliders and options for which vehicles appear, how much extra health, duration of respawn, etc. That way, servers can appear which cater to EVERY type of gamer. There is NO way you're going to come up with a standard (let alone a ranked standard) that everybody can agree on.

as for option 2 saying its a step back in my opinion its a step forward in realising that battlefield players want more options in the game they purchase.

just because i want IO maps and options doesnt mean its going to stop me playing normal bf2 maps with all the vehicles and aircraft thrown in.

it seems the thought of IO has got a few people running scared thinking that it`ll cause the death of bf2,the main people that will play on these type of maps are the ones that currently enjoy spending their time on city map only servers so its going to take nothing away normal bf2.

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In response to Talus' points, and please, lets keep this civil

1. I would feel more comfortable knowing that this new 'infantry only' option is not taking time and people away from fixing bugs and balance.
   ## Valid Point
   
2. This option should not be allowed on ranked servers. This is a BATTLEFIELD game. The Battlefield series heralded in vehicles in this type of online game. This option would be a step BACK for the franchise. Including it as a ranked option is like admitting that Battlefield is trying to be more like Counter-Strike. Battlefield should stand its ground and IMPROVE the BALANCE of having vehicles included rather than remove them...thus admitting defeat.
   ## How can providing MORE options on the way the game COULD be played be a step BACK? Surely, if anything its a step FORWARD in that players have a greater choice as to how THEY enjoy the game, whilst those who dont like the idea can continue playing as they have done since they bought the game.
   
3. If 'Infantry Only' is unranked only, then you can give the SERVER ADMIN all of the sliders and options for which vehicles appear, how much extra health, duration of respawn, etc. That way, servers can appear which cater to EVERY type of gamer. There is NO way you're going to come up with a standard (let alone a ranked standard) that everybody can agree on.
   ## I think its a case of IO Ranked or No IO at all to be honest. People simply dont play ranked servers (of course there are a few) Why both spending the time and money developing something that simply wont be used?

[Talus]

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Ok, time for me to chime in.

1. I would feel more comfortable knowing that this new 'infantry only' option is not taking time and people away from fixing bugs and balance.
   
   
2. This option should not be allowed on ranked servers. This is a BATTLEFIELD game. The Battlefield series heralded in vehicles in this type of online game. This option would be a step BACK for the franchise. Including it as a ranked option is like admitting that Battlefield is trying to be more like Counter-Strike. Battlefield should stand its ground and IMPROVE the BALANCE of having vehicles included rather than remove them...thus admitting defeat.
   
   
3. If 'Infantry Only' is unranked only, then you can give the SERVER ADMIN all of the sliders and options for which vehicles appear, how much extra health, duration of respawn, etc. That way, servers can appear which cater to EVERY type of gamer. There is NO way you're going to come up with a standard (let alone a ranked standard) that everybody can agree on.

Stickying thread for now...good stuff in here.

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IO would, i feel, add another level to BF2 and would provide players that like a fire fight on foot that option, and like so may people have said already, if you like vehicles, play the other servers. Same as if you wanted to play Karkhand...would you log into a server that only played Wake?? Course you wouldnt. But you have that option.

The only thing i think will be a problem is increasing the HP! Why? Dice said it is to lengthen the gameplay....well give more tickets to both sides then, simple. Or have more flags??

[DrJambo]

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I'd suggest leaving damage as it was and if possible reinstating some of the light transport vehicles to prevent boredom of running from flag to flag on the larger maps. These vehicles are great for squad action and at the same time will give a role for the AT kit in IO.

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i think we should all just post this as it covers everything that needs done:

1. replace tanks with heavy jeeps
2. replace apc & aa with light jeeps
3. remove planes
4. replace attack helis with transport ones
5. disable artillery
6. MAYBE place some additional jeeps so fast transport is warranted
7. Leave the rest alone !!!

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Number 3: (like some people said before )
1. replace tanks with heavy jeeps
2. replace apc & aa with light jeeps
3. remove planes
4. replace attack helis with transport ones
5. disable artillery
6. MAYBE place some additional jeeps so fast transport is warranted
7. Leave the rest alone !!!

here here! Like a 100 have said already!
Damnit CKMC there is no point in having feedback if you won't listen :cry:

Make that 101. I concur.

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Number 3: (like some people said before )
1. replace tanks with heavy jeeps
2. replace apc & aa with light jeeps
3. remove planes
4. replace attack helis with transport ones
5. disable artillery
6. MAYBE place some additional jeeps so fast transport is warranted
7. Leave the rest alone !!!

here here! Like a 100 have said already!
Damnit CKMC there is no point in having feedback if you won't listen :cry:

[imported_BlueScreen]

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Good feedback all around guys.

I may be way off base here but please let me know if this solution is a nicer fit to what everyone seems to be requesting:

1. Leave current option
2. Add new server option that is also no vehicles but does not have the modified settings for soldiers. [...]

IMHO your 1. option is pretty retarded cause of the player health, speed, ... modifications (i.e. 3-4 nades to kill a man or 2 c4 is a joke), but if it's an option who cares ?! :laugh:
2. is too extreme (when you mean there are absolutely NO vehicles on the map) for most maps so i suggest:

Number 3: (like some people said before )
1. replace tanks with heavy jeeps
2. replace apc & aa with light jeeps
3. remove planes
4. replace attack helis with transport ones
5. disable artillery
6. MAYBE place some additional jeeps so fast transport is warranted
7. Leave the rest alone !!!

@all the guys who say: "Don't make an infantry only option": no one forces you to play there, simply choose some other server

@all the guys who say: "Infantry only is an exploit / stat padding": if you really care about your precious points / rank / medals: PLEASE get mental help

@Mr Pmosh: no it won't help if you repeat the same for the 7th time :laugh:

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Don't add anything to the game, just try to FIX it for the people having problems. Then once everyone is happy, then you try again to add crap to the game, or then again remove.

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Good feedback all around guys.

I may be way off base here but please let me know if this solution is a nicer fit to what everyone seems to be requesting:

1. Leave current option
2. Add new server option that is also no vehicles but does not have the modified settings for soldiers.


The debate on whether to include FAV vehicles is something I am really eager to see. I know its pretty much impossible to have a full opinion when most of it is roughly "I think having FAV's would help this option", but any feedback is good feedback.

Also for the bug fix vs new design implementation. It should be noted that the new vehicles setup is something that falls almost entirely onto a designers work load and not a programmers (bug fixer) work load. So when things like this come around its not at the cost of time spent bug fixing.

Sorry to digress there but please keep the quality feedback rolling its very helpful.

just keep it simple,stick with the current gameplay we have but remove all heavy armour and keep transport vehicles and helis and remove artillary.

im sure all of us have had great infantry only moments with the current system so why feel the need to change it?

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Good feedback all around guys.

I may be way off base here but please let me know if this solution is a nicer fit to what everyone seems to be requesting:

1. Leave current option
2. Add new server option that is also no vehicles but does not have the modified settings for soldiers.


The debate on whether to include FAV vehicles is something I am really eager to see. I know its pretty much impossible to have a full opinion when most of it is roughly "I think having FAV's would help this option", but any feedback is good feedback.

Also for the bug fix vs new design implementation. It should be noted that the new vehicles setup is something that falls almost entirely onto a designers work load and not a programmers (bug fixer) work load. So when things like this come around its not at the cost of time spent bug fixing.

Sorry to digress there but please keep the quality feedback rolling its very helpful.

huh?
what everyone wants is BF2 with no armour and no jets and no attack helicopters - Any vehicle with Transport in the name should stay. Artillery must go. EVERYTHING else is fine.
Changing the weapons damage and spawn times was a MISTAKE just as this feedback method is a mistake

Leaving it as it is, is not an option - it was a total mistake. Face up to it and fix it. Don't dance around it because one of the coder's feelings will be hurt