Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

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Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

BF2 is a military style FPS, nothing more. It isn't a vehicle for military tactics, as a matter of fact, there's nothing even resembling a military tactic in this game. Everybody that is anti is trying to press the importance of squads yadda yadda yadda, but there are a lot of people that play that don't ever get in them, some people play for the enjoyment of it, not to pretend they are part of some 1337 military unit. FPS shooters are about action, this one incoporates SOME tactics based on game design. SL's in this game are meaningless anyway, as anyone can be one, from day one account holder to Johnny Noob. IF the SL received some kind of recognition for accomplishing his mission, and doing it well, then maybe there would be a reason for the position to be more than just another spawn point, but there isn't.

Someone also said the devs said that this is not the way the game is supposed to be played, well since they also said that you can get the Aerial Sevice Ribbon in SF from a helo, I am under the impression they are on a different sheet of music all together.

If they intended for this to be a truely squad based game, with tactics that revolved around squad cohesion, they would have impemented it, or at the very least removed this "feature" long ago.

Whne I zoom out from an enemy I just killed, and don't zoom back in automatically, or when my AT rounds don't going right through oncoming vehicles, or when I don't see massive server disconnects, or crashs to desktop, I'll care a LOT less about asinine game play changes.

[sithdemon]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

I've usually been a squad leader then a squaddie. Either in a APC as a engie, or on foot as a medic. With the APC, I provide a fast moving armoured spawn point for 4 squad members, the fifth will be okay because the APC is rarely packed, usually after I picked them up at a flag they've taken, and where I've been patrolling on the outside of. chances are theres a car at the base the fifth can take, NOW with the buggy drop the fifth should never have to walk, on the chances that my APC is totally packed. hell if thats the case. I will go drop the squaddies off near a flag, then race back to pick up the fifth. Heck if I have to I'll take a buggy, act as a fast spawn point for 2 people, who I drop off at a flag, then probably race back to pick up other squaddies if they haven't got a ride, AGAIN with the buggy drop this will happen much rarer.

As a medic squad leader I hang back, providing some sniper cover, and setting up a little medic bag dump near me. I occasionally race in to heal or revive, but if it's too risky I let the person die and spawn on me. If I die chances are that one of my squaddies, especially if I'm playing with friends, will run over and grab my kit. and revive me, I'm probably no longer a medic, however I still am a spawn point, and theres still a medic in the squad, if they get killed, since I'm still hanging back NO MATTER THE KIT I END UP WITH, I can run in take back my medic kit, and revive them.

Basicly in the year or so I've played, I've been a squad leader most of the time, I stay alive, out of harms way if necessary, however I still get many kills in, usually a enemy thats rushing my squaddies, not focused on me.

After this patch, a squad leader will have to not be a rambo, no question, as for less points, nope I get enough as a squad leader, perhaps a little less then my squad members, but I'm also providing a spawn that helps up to 5 others, and by staying alive and keeping my squad in the fight I'm helping the team.

Then again I'm someone that used to Tom clancy games, AAO, SWAT 4, spawning period in a game is weird enough, being able to spawn on 1 person in a big map, makes clearing a area very hard, commanders can help with that. Squad hopping and cycling? perhaps in BF2142 with teleportations of all kinds.

[spartan915]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Whne I zoom out from an enemy I just killed, and don't zoom back in automatically, or when my AT rounds don't going right through oncoming vehicles, or when I don't see massive server disconnects, or crashs to desktop, I'll care a LOT less about asinine game play changes.

Exactly, people are complaining about the wrong things. If you don't like squad hopping don't do it. Feel that is unfair then you learn to adapt and overcome it. I have already had to overcome people complaining that the support guns weren't accurate enough and then that they were too accurate. AA missles were not accurate enough now to accurate. Blackhawks and LAV's were to strong now not strong enough. Make up your minds. And people saying that they don't like people leaving there squad then lock it, your problem is solved. For the others like us that want to react to the ever changing situations during a round should be able to spawn right into a fight where we are needed. Squad hopping doesn't hurt teamwork it is all about teamwork.

[LoganX]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Hmmm..

let's have a war then hoppers vs anti-hoppers.
you would be overun by it.

Sure...then we'll have a non-hopping war of "People who've never used Squad-hopping and learned how to keep their squad alive on the battlefield actually playing the game" VS "People who always squad-hopped and never learned how to use Field Tactics" and we'll see who wins.

As it is the Comp people are making it sound like Squad-hopping is the only thing helping them win games.

[xpnl]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

I hate squad hoping...and clans, can anyone set up a petition against this petition?
Yes I hate petitions to

[Tobacco]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Actually Tobacco, there is a statement from a developer saying that you weren't intended to be able to select another squad leader to spawn on while dead, but it was another one of those things that they hadn't taken out.

Thanks, I didn't know that :p. That being said, and no offence to you, but that was probably some lame excuss the Devs gave to chill out some noobs .

I think SQuad Hopping is a brilliant part of the game and see/read no valid reason it should be nerfed - IMHO


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[LoganX]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

How can you say "it's a brilliant part of the game"?
You're playing tag with a game menu!!
You not using any FPS Gaming skill whatsoever.
How come no one comprehends that?
Your using a 'so-called tactic' that requires ZERO Gaming skill and you think that's a good thing? It's intuitive?? Man...where the heck has all the real skill gone...

[Ruhanga]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Why sticky this? Are the mods favoring this petition? I call this very unthought decision.

[spartan915]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Sure...then we'll have a non-hopping war of "People who've never used Squad-hopping and learned how to keep their squad alive on the battlefield actually playing the game" VS "People who always squad-hopped and never learned how to use Field Tactics" and we'll see who wins.

As it is the Comp people are making it sound like Squad-hopping is the only thing helping them win games.

To say that people who squad hop don't know how to keep a squad alive is totally and completely ignorant. Stereotype much? Your response to this thread have been blanket accusing people that squade hop of not knowing how to use field tactics or that it requires no skill. How in the heck can you say what a person is good at after thay spawn. Your point makes no sense whatsoever. I squad hop into fights and help the SL to keep and take spawn points. Your statement/stereotype that I don't know field tactis is ignorant and wrong. And based on your statment you must never die. I would love to see your uber squad in action...give me a break.

[Terroser]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

To say that people who squad hop don't know how to keep a squad alive is totally and completely ignorant. Stereotype much? Your response to this thread have been blanket accusing people that squade hop of not knowing how to use field tactics or that it requires no skill. How in the heck can you say what a person is good at after thay spawn. Your point makes no sense whatsoever. I squad hop into fights and help the SL to keep and take spawn points. Your statement/stereotype that I don't know field tactis is ignorant and wrong. And based on your statment you must never die. I would love to see your uber squad in action...give me a break.

eh is just dum, because squadcycling is for keeping your squad alive

[spartan915]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

How can you say "it's a brilliant part of the game"?
You're playing tag with a game menu!!
You not using any FPS Gaming skill whatsoever.
How come no one comprehends that?
Your using a 'so-called tactic' that requires ZERO Gaming skill and you think that's a good thing? It's intuitive?? Man...where the heck has all the real skill gone...

What the heck does squad hopping have to do with someone ability or inability to be a good ground pounder. Your point makes no sense; I credit that your trying but to assume that if a player squad hops they can't fight is azzinine. If the players that squad hop have no FPS Gaming skill what do you care if they leave your squad anyway. Where has the real skill gone, who died and made you the judge of real skill and what is this real skill that you speak of anyway? I squad hop to help others in different areas of the map when they ask for help. I will continue to play when/if it is removed from the game I just don't see the sense in taking it out. Just to force people to walk all over the map. I guess that is the skill you are referring to . People walking/driving to every spawn point/battle on the map. When I have to I will but for right now I rather enjoy hopping right into a fight rahter than getting there is a locked squad after it's to late.

[LoganX]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

To say that people who squad hop don't know how to keep a squad alive is totally and completely ignorant. Stereotype much? Your response to this thread have been blanket accusing people that squade hop of not knowing how to use field tactics or that it requires no skill.

This is because the pro-hopping peolpe are making it sound like squad-hopping is pivotal for winning a match. What I'm asking is what happened to the real skill of Playing not menu hopping. It's really ridiculous to call this a tactic. I've been against some questionable tactics before but at least they were all in the game not in a menu.

How in the heck can you say what a person is good at after thay spawn. Your point makes no sense whatsoever. I squad hop into fights and help the SL to keep and take spawn points. Your statement/stereotype that I don't know field tactis is ignorant and wrong.

Then stop whining about the removal of this feature and use those vaunted field tactics to continue to keep your SL alive. You can still spawn in on him but now you will have to work harder to not only keep the SL alive but yourself as well. Instead of relying on the game menu to get you back in the fight.

[Sadistic_1]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

I couldn't be bothered to read the entire thread that's been done to death by both sides. Suffice to say, I signed the petition.

[LoganX]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

People walking/driving to every spawn point/battle on the map. When I have to I will but for right now I rather enjoy hopping right into a fight rahter than getting there is a locked squad after it's to late.

Now your getting it.
Using the game and the vehicles as intended instead of teleporting everywhere.
Yes the SL spawn is a feature but using it to the extent that it has gotten to is absurd.

[davie18]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

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