mailbag: CS 1.4

[vapor (v4p0r)]

V@GuE wrote..

i have played since beta 5 and i believe that the worst change was 1.1 when the colts scope was changed to a silencer. its power should have gone down but left the scope. i have gone unhit by AWMs for months b4 1.4 but now im questioning coming out of the tunnel in militia. i like the rest just jumping (er lack of it) sucks. i am now using the smoke nades for more then just lag bombs now though. but i have found in maps like militia it is a waste to even try and jump



coRd you have many great points... they need to RErelease the older versions of CS but just updated

1.1 was my fav D= (prolly cuz ive only been playin since beta 7.1) is there anywhere where i can DL 1.1 again? *sniff* im not bashing 1.4 tho.. =P.. i just want old scoreboard and strafe jumping back just to do it for fun from time to time

[ZaMotH]

Jumping : it makes the difference. Look at prodigy when rushing to the bunker. Before the only way to take the place without getting killed was to rush. Now it is almost impossible to do so !!



Lag : I feel like much more players are having lag all the time.



Walk : nice ... but I am kind of nostalgic because before skill made you walk forward without making any sound (if using regular key) And that kool. I never used anything but the regular keys.



Nothing else ...

Really like the new dead mode ... too bad we can't see all the players at once.

[UnknownVeteren]

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ryumusha wrote.....

wow CORD your "informed", and also an ass.

What a sphincter scratching porch monkey, and also a racist loser. go play quake if your going if you cant think of a real arguement or just go home to cry about it. SISSY



Oh yeah this "BUTTHOLE" goes by the handle CORD if you hadnt heard.

"BUTTHOLE"

These kind of remarks are straight up wasteful. Although, coRd did make some remarks to you, but he at least made a point. I'm not sure if you read his whole argument in other quotes but he brings up a very good quote. You should have an open mind and put ignorance away from blinded hate. coRd says that the 1.4 alterations are basically the birth of another game. In addition, i would imagine that you would like quake instead of telling coRd to go play it. Quake is a spammage game that is almost in no way related to counter-strike 1.3. But since you like 1.4 i would imagine that you would like it, not that theres anything wrong with that. Nevertheless, it seems that CS is becoming quake in all its glory.

btw read the other comments by me and other good convincers, like

coRd. Instead of just responding back with blatant ignorance.

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Also.....i see that coRd has challenged you, ryumusha. Are you going to take that from him? I'd love to see a match....

[evilsoul]

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I posted a comment concerning cs 1.4 when it was still in the process of steam testers. I like the first looking spec. mode the crosshair change, the bugs that were fix that was an issue in cs 1.3 like the smoke grenades causing krushes in the game and those stuff that were change but the thing that was I had to adjust was the jumping lag and the switching weapon that were to slow I first was glad that bunny hopping was removed and the auto sniping which you only use the crosshair of your gun then switch sniper then fire! I jump,bunny jump and use the auto sniping which I use a lot but I guess they remove it. I played it in my pc and had fun with it had to adapt to its change thought but still owning the newbies. After the next day I played cs 1.4 in an internet cafe which I hang a lot and have lots of friends who played cs 1.3 for 2 to 3 years that were also good and had lots of experience of tournaments in my home country. Playing it first in the internet cafe was great my frags were like 35-9 it was'nt hard just use awp people dont jump that much anymore they are an easy pray for awp also It would'nt be that hard playing with 32/32 players with a dedicated server on it some people had to create some other maps just to test cs 1.4. After a series of game play I realize that the game was so slow I mean people dont rush that much anymore we were playing de_dust2 most people camp! camp! camp! its an advantage to those who camp. which someone said its eaiser to have kills because swictching off weapon is much more slower. Then the fellow veteran played it at first they were all complaining it after a few hours they were complaining than ever lots of players change their name to name that were relating cs 1.4 that it was the worst version and they said to the employee of the internet cafe to return the old version which was version 1.3 but it was impossible they say also they say this version was better because it fix the krushes like the smoke grenade. after the next day my fellow veteran player were not playing cs anymore they were just standing and watching the people playing cs 1.4. but some adapted the best player that I know in cs 1.3 still was able to have a 140+ - 39 standing which was still amazing I ask him do you like the new version he said no I still prefer the old version but the thing is lots of our fellow friends already quit cs which is not that fun anymore newbies has a greater chance off fragging it takes no skill to point a gun using a mouse then duck immediately because I think bunny hop is replace with the duck technique now. Also I dont rush that much anymore for its not like before bunny hopping was really the essential of giving me an advantage also most people camp. not much skill is involve in doing that. I was so disappointed that I would also quit counterstrike because my fellow veteran players were quitting CS. after that I had myself a glimpse in csnation and saw the METAMODE version which includes the old jumping style of cs 1.3 I then told my friends and an employee in the internet cafe to download it and have their old customers back to their internet cafe so after that they agree then the next day they were back I was so happy even tought some people just use alias to bunny hop. also in the thread above I heard someone said that his friend can still bunny hop in cs 1.4 actually you can but its pointless and useless because bunny hopping gives you like 5x faster without the jump lag but with the jump lag it doesnt give you a continous boost which makes bunny hopping a very useful skill to avoid bullets. I also did pity those people who was really good in cs 1.3 like how many hours did they practice those skill to make them a better cs player but in the end cs 1.4 got over them and in a shadow said your not good anymore. Also we veterans had a reputation but this version we have to start from the scratch but its not that hard you need not much skill in cs 1.4 to become a veteran but I guess im still a veteran in this game but still am confused how could valve do such a thing? we veterans dont deserve this its not our fault that its hard for newbies to become a veteran in the old version that makes the game CS fun for us and it gives us adrenalin rush in this game because we mastered the technique and we know how to spot a veteran player also we practice those skills we earn those skill like when is that how you treat a veteran cs player? also when cs 1.4 players becomes veteran you then change the game play style that they like?.



Overall I like cs 1.4 its gr8 hmm..lots of campers I think I can handle that but if few players gonna play it I guess I might as well quit it anyway. The no. of ppl playing counterstrike give cs a reputation thats how CS grew so fast which I hope in the next version maybe cs 1.5 will come out in a new twist that could make the counterstrike players back that quit in this new version. also if you change something have a back up plan example like the metamode you could type axn_bunnyjump 0,1 which maybe next time you could include it in your patches which gives players a view on the new stuffs also its really great because the servers could set it which gives the player freedom if he doesnt know how to bunnyhop he must join those servers and the other way around to those who knows how to bunny hop.

[Mofo_Chink69]

racist bastards...

[nwld]

CS 1.4 is mostly good, but has two major flaws:

1) The walk speed is too slow - Fast walking is crucial to be able to approach a secured area quickly without being detected. This gives further advantage to campers.



2) The Jump penalty throws off the balance on many maps. - I don't have a problem with the jump speed penalty in priciple... but many maps require one team to jump to get to one area, where the other side does not have to jump. T's have a huge advantage in italy now because the ct's can not get in the apartment quickly enough.

[drbanjax]

after a few more days play 1.4 has started to find a snug little hole in my life after the departure of 1.3. sure the load times are a bit longer, but my ping seems to have gone down a lot from 200+ to under 50 on my cable modem. the post death picture in picture option rules, you can watch how it is done by some of the great players and pick up tips.

[Unregistered]

l1st of all, I guess there was NO point to my "meaningless" babble. It seems you just don't get the damn facts thru ur head. Even look at the poll;about 60% of the people do NOT favor the slow walking and jumping crap they did. Also, when you said how "bunny hoppers" used arial cover to take cover, its NOT cover, its just hopping so that n00bs like you cant shoot us cuz ur aim SUCKS. Good for you, go complain to valve that you cant move your mouse up and down because your hand coordination sucks. Maybe you oughtta get better at the game before you talk. Like you said, the ill-earned 13-4... I guess you're sayin that CS took no skill? Funny, just a common n00b complaint coming from people who couldn't play but just talk $}{17.



As for you, none of your comments are progressive at all. All you do is check out what people post here and flame everyone that thinks a patch that sucks IS A PATCH THAT SUCKS. And people keep saying that "every patch everyone complains and says 'I'm gonna quit this crappy game.'" Yeah, maybe people complain, but nowhere NEAR the severity of this one. More than half the community (as rizzah calls it) is pissed about it. And ENOUGH with this "Go play Quake" because Quake sucks(compared to the REAL CS) and I dont wanna play Quake. I want to play my favorite game, the old Counter-Strike, and I don't wanna see CS go down in flames, which is where it will go if they don't tweak it up back to how it should be. Thx for the ppl that support me...



BTW my email address is obviously fake, I didn't put it down my friend who hates jews prolly messed around with it.

[Strabo]

Well its been almost what, a week since 1.4 came to life. As for how i feel about the changes...Doesn't Matter!!!!! Cs is still fun and exciting. The camaraderie of the other players i play with along with the fast-paced nature of the game make it all worth it. My Cs time starts about 9pm and last till about 11:30 on the week days. I enjoy the company of all the other players, Vets and noobs alike. I love this game..... I watched my son play Cs for about a year before i ever even thought about trying it. Now thanks to him i found the single most important reason why i spent so much on our computer systems. I also enjoy visiting Cs Nation, so i can stay up to date on the latest Cs info.....In closing let me say, even if in the next version of Cs, they made it so all we could do is crawl on our bellies and throw rocks at each other i would still play!!!!! DEVOTION, ya thats what counts...........PS, run, jump, crawl or hide,...i'll get you anyway...STRABO

[dampv]

ryumusha wrote..

i don't personally understand certain groups of people?

why is it when a company see's something wrong and they fix it. only the people who used certain tactics such as bunny hopping and bunny hop strafing moan and cry?

i personally never use these tactics and find them apalling, Why because of the lack of skill? believe it or not they used cover and a brain in the old days to fight an opponent. but who needs any form of tactics when well you just have to jump through the archway to somehow suprise an enemy with your spazticly panicked ballerina tactics.

now i understand the arguement that jumping is needed to a certain degree yes it is, but not in a downwards movement manner i dont see how it would "slow you down" to run down an obstacle instead of jumping off of it . and as for the jumping up of obstacles they obviously excepted that getting up multiple objects will take time with the jumping lag, it is annoying but i am way whilling to put up with that to end hopping. and if the hoppers cant stand that small change maybe the future addition of having to actually climb those objects will really make them mad.

when they say that the fun has been taken out of the game ?what?...... because this lack of tactless nonsense called bunny hopping dissapeared?

could'nt the same be said for the cheaters who use wall hacks and aimbots? they obviously had fun with those things, but now they cant do that because the maijority of cs player did not find it funny when some cheating loser shot through a brick wall and always seems to get a headshot..on every shot.

these changes happened for a reason,, because there are people who can tell the difference between BS and good honest fun.

and now your mad because the players who did'nt hop and actually focused on what this game was about OWN you, don't be mad that your ill earned 13-4 score dwindled down to a mere 1-20.

Don't be angry that your cushiony form of panicked arial cover is no longer there for you to exploit.

its just your own form of self realization that you did'nt know jack and now your being had by the real players.... the guys who practiced and maybe did'nt do well against the lame Hoppers but nonetheless refused to go the cheap road by adopting that hopping crutch, and worked on their other skills instead.

so now that its a little more real you wanna quit? you say that you game isnt good anymore? then practice, watch, learn and use your brain for once. because were all pretty tired of hearing....



"I cant jump anymore CS SUCKS, im not going to play anymore".



GOOD! go play Quake or something and let the players who use their brains fill that spot you wasted on the servers.

the cs community may lose that many hopping players, BUT in the end those places will be filled by just as many if not more players who will enjoy this game and make it the better and the more enjoyable game it was meant to be.



Have fun on cs 1.4, which rules by the way. and hope to see you hoppers relearning the game =). this might help WAX ON, WAX OFF.

Almost only more or less skilled players jumped, ah well, it doesn't matter much, what really makes me irritated is the way the fucked up the recoil for the pistols. They usp is totally worthless now, not only that movement has been reduced, but also bob has been removed, BYE BOB.



And jumping was lame? Can you please tell me why it was lame?

[GonePostal]

GonePostal(UK) wrote..

People may disagree with me but 1.3 was possible the worst version of cs - now before people start slagging me off and saying "hes a w*****r newbie" let me explain. I've plyd cs from the begining and slowly, ever so slowly cs has become a lot easier, in earlier version if u where good u where good, if u bad u where dead but by 1.3 if u where bad u was good and if u where good u where dead cos some lucky newbie just shot u in the head from 200yrds wirth a mac 10! Thank god they've put some sanity back into cs!!

Sorry but I have to disagree with this. If anything, the amount of luck in headshots has gone up in 1.4. You don't even have to aim at the person anymore. And if you are good in CS, than more likely than not, you will still be better than some n00b that just got the game. It's up to you if you can learn to adapt, but you don't have to like it.

[-=GoW=-Odin]

I've played CS since the early beta days and became somewhat proficient by beta 6. Almost every new release required adjustments to my gameplay. Granted, no more so than with 1.4, but within two days of playing I was back in the 2:1 ratios again on dial-up and 3:1 on dsl. I can agree with most of the players that the jumping change has had the greatest impact on playing style. Though, not mine. I know how to bunny jump with the timing and utilizing the directional keys, and I also played around with $cripts (you might have heard of me from before ver. 1 as [DACN]Shredder as a $cripter and assisted in help forums for $cripting). But it never became part of my normal playing style. I like conventional tactics, stealth, precise aiming, quick reflexes. The jumping changed only the way I make multiple jumps onto boxes while entering buildings or when I cut corners by hopping over walls like in dust.



When I read the comments posted in this forum I get the impression that most of the players complaining about 1.4 are the very players that hopped all over the maps in 1.3 with pistols drawn. I understand that their method of getting kills has been hampered, but is that a reason to just stop playing CS altogether? Even with the changes CS is still the best damn online game in the world. As far as noobs ruling the servers, ALL players in the game are facing the same changes in 1.4. The truely skilled players will be the ones at the top of the scoreboard when the dust has cleared. If you are truely a skilled player you:



1. will adapt your playing style as necessary.

2. will be gifted a similar portion of lucky kills as a noob.

3. but, will also EARN a greater number of kills based on skill.



The ending result is that you should be on the top of the score board. If you cannot adapt to the change in jumping, to arrive back at the top of the scoreboard, you should really rethink your definition of a "skilled player".



The following is my list of fixes that would help 1.4 CS:



1. Create more server side options for changes made in updates. Such as the number of jumps a player can make before the slowdown occurs. And the walking speed can be done in the same mannor. In that way the impact of these changes can be minimized in the short term.



2. Eliminate the exit bug that freezes some machines while exiting or crashing others after using the "exit" command in the console.



3. Reduce the randomness of the rifles, especially any weapons with a long enough barrel with rifling. I was a 98C SpecFor in the army during the gulf war and used a variety of weapons. And I can tell you that even the old M-16's or AR-15's have a far more accurate pattern than depicted in the game. Most of you may only have real life experience in playing paint ball when it comes to autos or semi-autos, but a longer ranges hitting someone while your running or jumping is like winning the state lotto....not gonna happen. Sorry, I digress.



4. Reduce the size of the hit boxes, I sat yeterday and HS'ed a T in the tunnel on dust from behind him, while aiming about four feet above his noggin. No wonder people are complaining about the noobie HS now!



In summary, keep in mind that not all skilled players jump around with pistols drawn to obtain kills. Therefore, the player physics changes in 1.4 do not adversely affect ALL "skilled" players. Overall I like 1.4 and that's good because I feel its here to stay.

[Solitude]

Why won't they fix the awful skin problem?? I absolutely HATE that skinned guns only work in left hand mode....please fix it! I want to see my skins! In the right hand!



Sol

[Col. Rifter]

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Personally, I love 1.4. The spectating mode is great and so are the new levels. I don't know about everyone else but I'm glad Valve and the CS team decided to add the jump lag and inaccuracy while running. I mean common how often do you see SWAT teams, Terrorists, or Counter-Terrorists jumping up and down and running around in circles? I never really liked the ability to jump in CS at all, its pointless, its only for people too used to Quake who like bunny-hopping the entire time. Now of course people will say, "How can I get ontop of boxes like the ones in Italy if I can't jump!?" Well for those of you who don't know about a nice little mod called Action Half-Life they've given us the answer: In Action Half-Life you're able to 'climb' things. When you jump and your player model's hands can reach the top of a box, wall, object, or whatever you can climb onto that box, wall, or object. Now just eliminate jumping altogether but leave the climbing thing, the whole bunny hopping and unrealism of jumping 4 ft. into the air is eliminated but everyone is still able to get onto boxes!

One thing I've noticed throughout a lot of the CS versions is the inconsistency of HS placement, I know everyone complains about how big the HS box is now and I know its a problem. However, one thing I have noticed is that the HS box doesn't cover the entire 'head' region. One day I was playing around and after eliminating an entire T team walked up to the last T alive who was afk. I pulled out my M14A1, stood 2 feet back, took off the silencer and made sure the crosshair was right on the upper half of the afk Ts head. I fired off one round, to my dismay no blood came out of the T, the T didnt flinch and there was no bullet hole to be found anywhere in the room I was standing in. I then aimed at the same point, fired off another round with the same results. I tried once more and yet again, no blood, flinch, or bullet hole to be found. By that time the T should have been very dead since he didn't have any helmet or kevlar, so I aimed a little lower the next shot, fired, and voila blood spouted out of the Ts head scoring me a nice headshot kill. My deduction: since I couldn't find any bullet holes from the bullets of my rifle the shots were being absorbed by the T, however they weren't doing much damage if any at all, so the conclusion is that the HS box doesn't cover the entire head, only certain portions of it.

[gtm]

Try using the -****audio switch if you're crashing on startup. Worked for me at least. Thank www.planetHalfLife.com



-GTM