Re: Bashandslash Twitter/Webcast Confirms Changes for PC
Thqp...are you coherent right now? I am actually trying to follow your logic, but there is no logic there. I'm all up for giving people a chance, but your support is beyond just giving a chance to straight either fanboyism or you are just in the mood to argue with people. No one, no company, no group should always be given 100% credit. You're supposed to question your government, you're supposed to question your teachers, you are supposed to question things unless you are a mindless robot, or an idiot.
Here is the thing, dedicated servers is MP gaming for PC, simple as that. As many people have listed on here, actually read their comments instead of just posting, you will see every point people have made. You think it's good to have listen servers...wow...really? Do you remember the PC gaming times before dedicated servers? Hello...not...good!
And as for the forum moderators, this is something that pisses me off about most forums. Your job as a moderator is NOT to limit discussion or speech. If people are using vulgar language or posting vulgar pics, you do what you need to do, but your job is NOT to hinder their speech, it's a discussion forum. People should be allowed to get upset, to get mad, to have a brain and discuss items since forums are DISCUSSION forums. IW closing threads is them just taking away all of the negative, and you support that? I don't agree with your views throughout this thread b/c they are completely illogical. Should I have deleted your posts b/c I didn't agree with them? I say no b/c I'm allowing you to freely discuss your opinion, but according to your views, I should have deleted your posts and banned you from the forums. Seriously man, wow.
Back on topic, for the 0.1% of people who think that this is a GOOD idea for MW2, please, turn off the tv, music, internet, sit for 2 seconds and think. If you still haven't realized this is a bad idea, do some research about PC MP games and come back when you have found the multitude of games popular in the MP world on the PC that are done with listen servers...you'll be back in no time. MoH: Airborne died before it was born, hence Rudedog's term "MoH: Stillborne" name which he tried to tell EA they needed dedicated servers, but they thought they knew better. Of course EA knew better just like IW knows better, right? Heh.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it! To think IW is doing this "because they know better" is ridiculous. This is purely a money and control issue. They are just trying to make the PC platform more controllable like their beloved Xbox. Look at the facts, heck, read the interview posted on Total CoD that had IW in their own words saying they wanted to develop for consoles, that's where they wanted to be. And also, just as you were saying they PROBABLY had more private beta testers Thqp, how do you know that anymore than others saying they didn't have many? YOU DON'T! You can say IW is big, IW knows better, IW is smarter, IW has been around for a while, etc etc, but that doesn't mean anything with what they're now doing. If MW2 was business as usual for the PC, sure, no beta was really needed, but to have this 'new system' and not have a public beta is just plain stupidity at work.
I dealt with IW personally back with vCoD when I was on a mod team. Anyone remember how after MoH:AA, here came IW with the original CoD and MONTHS before release, they widely promoted their game would be moddable and support the modders unlike MoH, they uber promoted that fact. They said they would give modders the code needed because they supported the players. Hmm, it came to be that modders were needing code and they weren't giving it out, and this is months after release, so they had time. Some will say, "Oh, but there were mods", WRONG, not at first. Custom maps and skins are NOT full mods. We were wanting to implement actual gameplay changes and they told us that they couldn't give us the code, along with some other mods. They said they had hacked the engine up so much, they weren't exactly sure how to just give us bits and pieces...right. And then here came CoD:UO, different developer, I know, but a lot of our mod ideas which we had shared were then in UO. As others have said, maybe they didn't want customizable content stealing sales away.
I have been in the MoH and CoD communities relgiously since they both began, and I can give you my knowledge (knowledge is knowing the experience of others) that this will NOT be good to leave out dedicated servers. This has to be one of the biggest blunders in PC gaming history, ever! Do you really think you're right? So thousands upon thousands of PC gamers are just idiots getting upset for no reason? And what the hell, "Why are people complaining before it's out" hello...b/c they no it will fail as other games have done with no dedicated servers. This is a discussion forum, OF COURSE people are going to talk/complain/whine about an idiotic decision. We have this info and we're supposed to just sit around with our thumbs up our butt and then on release day go, "Hey, whear r dem dedicatedem server dealios at?" They're giving us the info, we're giving them our response.
Thqp...are you coherent right now? I am actually trying to follow your logic, but there is no logic there. I'm all up for giving people a chance, but your support is beyond just giving a chance to straight either fanboyism or you are just in the mood to argue with people. No one, no company, no group should always be given 100% credit. You're supposed to question your government, you're supposed to question your teachers, you are supposed to question things unless you are a mindless robot, or an idiot.
Here is the thing, dedicated servers is MP gaming for PC, simple as that. As many people have listed on here, actually read their comments instead of just posting, you will see every point people have made. You think it's good to have listen servers...wow...really? Do you remember the PC gaming times before dedicated servers? Hello...not...good!
And as for the forum moderators, this is something that pisses me off about most forums. Your job as a moderator is NOT to limit discussion or speech. If people are using vulgar language or posting vulgar pics, you do what you need to do, but your job is NOT to hinder their speech, it's a discussion forum. People should be allowed to get upset, to get mad, to have a brain and discuss items since forums are DISCUSSION forums. IW closing threads is them just taking away all of the negative, and you support that? I don't agree with your views throughout this thread b/c they are completely illogical. Should I have deleted your posts b/c I didn't agree with them? I say no b/c I'm allowing you to freely discuss your opinion, but according to your views, I should have deleted your posts and banned you from the forums. Seriously man, wow.
Back on topic, for the 0.1% of people who think that this is a GOOD idea for MW2, please, turn off the tv, music, internet, sit for 2 seconds and think. If you still haven't realized this is a bad idea, do some research about PC MP games and come back when you have found the multitude of games popular in the MP world on the PC that are done with listen servers...you'll be back in no time. MoH: Airborne died before it was born, hence Rudedog's term "MoH: Stillborne" name which he tried to tell EA they needed dedicated servers, but they thought they knew better. Of course EA knew better just like IW knows better, right? Heh.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it! To think IW is doing this "because they know better" is ridiculous. This is purely a money and control issue. They are just trying to make the PC platform more controllable like their beloved Xbox. Look at the facts, heck, read the interview posted on Total CoD that had IW in their own words saying they wanted to develop for consoles, that's where they wanted to be. And also, just as you were saying they PROBABLY had more private beta testers Thqp, how do you know that anymore than others saying they didn't have many? YOU DON'T! You can say IW is big, IW knows better, IW is smarter, IW has been around for a while, etc etc, but that doesn't mean anything with what they're now doing. If MW2 was business as usual for the PC, sure, no beta was really needed, but to have this 'new system' and not have a public beta is just plain stupidity at work.
I dealt with IW personally back with vCoD when I was on a mod team. Anyone remember how after MoH:AA, here came IW with the original CoD and MONTHS before release, they widely promoted their game would be moddable and support the modders unlike MoH, they uber promoted that fact. They said they would give modders the code needed because they supported the players. Hmm, it came to be that modders were needing code and they weren't giving it out, and this is months after release, so they had time. Some will say, "Oh, but there were mods", WRONG, not at first. Custom maps and skins are NOT full mods. We were wanting to implement actual gameplay changes and they told us that they couldn't give us the code, along with some other mods. They said they had hacked the engine up so much, they weren't exactly sure how to just give us bits and pieces...right. And then here came CoD:UO, different developer, I know, but a lot of our mod ideas which we had shared were then in UO. As others have said, maybe they didn't want customizable content stealing sales away.
I have been in the MoH and CoD communities relgiously since they both began, and I can give you my knowledge (knowledge is knowing the experience of others) that this will NOT be good to leave out dedicated servers. This has to be one of the biggest blunders in PC gaming history, ever! Do you really think you're right? So thousands upon thousands of PC gamers are just idiots getting upset for no reason? And what the hell, "Why are people complaining before it's out" hello...b/c they no it will fail as other games have done with no dedicated servers. This is a discussion forum, OF COURSE people are going to talk/complain/whine about an idiotic decision. We have this info and we're supposed to just sit around with our thumbs up our butt and then on release day go, "Hey, whear r dem dedicatedem server dealios at?" They're giving us the info, we're giving them our response.
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