1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

[imported_Wreck]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

Actually you'll find a lot of people hate the jets.

And I would say the same to them. Go play another game, or play on maps with no planes. The BF series is about doing what you want in all vehicles and it's always been that way. The true BF'ers don't want a bunch of CS, Quake, UT, (insert generic FPS here), converts coming over to this game and taking away what battlefield is about.

FYI I've started a poll to see what general opinion is regarding jets.

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66201

Kudos for a very unbiased poll.

[Boojie]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

The true BF'ers don't want a bunch of CS, Quake, UT, (insert generic FPS here), converts coming over to this game and taking away what battlefield is about.

I agree. Somebody get me a jet so I can fly around and bomb people on the ground.

[mlkmnz]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

And I would say the same to them. Go play another game, or play on maps with no planes. The BF series is about doing what you want in all vehicles and it's always been that way. The true BF'ers don't want a bunch of CS, Quake, UT, (insert generic FPS here), converts coming over to this game and taking away what battlefield is about.

Man you know all things about all people don't ya. I'm no convert, been playing Battlefield titles pretty much since the day it came out. All the vehicles are great and well balanced EXCEPT plans. However, in previous battlefield games, ground forces could actually take air vehicles out (BFV had anti-air troops, BF1942 had flak that would actually take them down).

And yeah I do play on maps with no planes, as do a large chunk of the community. And actually I thought the emphasis of the BF titles is about team based multiplay, not a few guys in planes bombing the crap out of everyone with little to no chance of being bombed.

How is the poll biased? It represents pretty much all sides of the argument as I see it. Or are you another precious nancy who blubbers at the prospect of being termed a "jet-whore", even though judging by your stats thats exactly what you are?

[WarGimp]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

Somewhere between Wreck and mlkmnz there exists a happy, rational, medium. I donno. I'm finding that there's definatly less heat from above these days. Prolly because I play on a server where the fighter jocks actually focus on air domination. Whatever the cause, I'm enjoying it more.

What this community needs is less screaming, crying, imposing of individual opinion on others, and more actual discussion. Preferably of the logical and implementable flavor.

I tabled a rather well throught out suggestion a couple pages back that didn't even get commented on. If we can't even discuss fixes, how are we going to push anything forward as a community?

Booj, I hope you caught my "oops" post for being rather stompy on ya before.

[mlkmnz]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

What this community needs is less screaming, crying, imposing of individual opinion on others, and more actual discussion. Preferably of the logical and implementable flavor.

Hey, I like discussion, but seems like every time anyone mentions tweaking the jets all the fighter jocks get precious about their one and only game tactic getting nerfed. Here are the things I would be in favour of (note none of them involve removing jets):
- Decrease jet armour, increase AA speed/accuracy (I think this is what you were alluding to in your post Wargimp)
- Make jets AA only, so they can duke it out with each other/take out helos. Or maybe only their guns work on the ground.
- Replace the existing jets with something like an A-10. Slower, yet more firepower against the ground, more akin to the speed of prop-planes in BF42. Making them lethal against ground targets but not supersonic (maps are really too small for full on jets anyway) and easier to hit.

Now, those are my proposals. I don't see any fighter jocks proposing anything other than "learn how to use AA" or "get in a jet".

[imported_Wreck]

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Or are you another precious nancy who blubbers at the prospect of being termed a "jet-whore", even though judging by your stats thats exactly what you are?

No, in fact I like to think of myself as an all vehicle and class whore. Note the distribution of my time played fairly evenly over all vehicle and classes? My most played maps are city maps so I don't see how you come to that conclusion. I don't limit myself to one thing in the game like others who like to whine.

[PHPT]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

And I would say the same to them. Go play another game, or play on maps with no planes. The BF series is about doing what you want in all vehicles and it's always been that way. The true BF'ers don't want a bunch of CS, Quake, UT, (insert generic FPS here), converts coming over to this game and taking away what battlefield is about.

What a joke. It's a name. That's it. Every franchise I can think of refocused and redid things with later installments, especially to appeal to a broader player base. Has it occurred to you that perhaps the "converts" are players too, are having fun with the game, and maybe, just maybe, the playerbase's fun should take higher priority than loyalty to a brand name?

[mlkmnz]

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No, in fact I like to think of myself as an all vehicle and class whore. Note the distribution of my time played fairly evenly over all vehicle and classes? My most played maps are city maps so I don't see how you come to that conclusion. I don't limit myself to one thing in the game like others who like to whine.

I don't limit myself to one thing either. All the other vehicles in the game are pretty much well balanced, everything else has an effective counter. Except jets.

**ck it, I'm over it. I'll just play non-jet maps and thats that.

No, in fact I like to think of myself as an all vehicle and class whore. Note the distribution of my time played fairly evenly over all vehicle and classes? My most played maps are city maps so I don't see how you come to that conclusion. I don't limit myself to one thing in the game like others who like to whine.

I don't limit myself to one thing either. All the other vehicles in the game are pretty much well balanced, everything else has an effective counter. Except jets.

**ck it, I'm over it. I'll just play non-jet maps and thats that. If the jet issue gets changed then I'll play the jet maps, if it isnt, then no biggie. I've had my half day of bitchin.

[imported_Wreck]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

Has it occurred to you that perhaps the "converts" are players too

Sorry if I offended you, convert.

[rombaft]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

maybe it's me, but I don't have noticed any diffirence on AA with 1.22

[Digital-Boy]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

Not having read through all these posts, I'll give my input anyway.

Aside from the limited range of AA missiles, I have no real issues taking down aircraft with them. I am very happy with the state that AA missiles are currently in, not useless, but not too overpowering.

[Boojie]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

Booj, I hope you caught my "oops" post for being rather stompy on ya before.

I caught it. No worries. It was so out of left field that it had to be a mix up.

Boojie.

Benis.


I can see the resemblence.


I went back to my posts just in case and stumbled over a post of yours, recently bumped, where you were giving out helpful advice on plane tactics and you got slammed. PlaneWhore and Nastie, among others, were piling on when you just put out a "here...check this out...it might help" type of link. It wasn't pretty. Today, I was on the receiving end. Back in that thread, you were.

Anyways, this board has been seeing more and more of those types of comments. Check the community poll area (jets thread) for another example of personal attacks. Everybody is heated lately.

Maybe we all need to get laid. BF2 is cool and all, but all this constant killing is building up a whole lot of aggression. We need to be more peaceful.


Now, can somebody fix the AA so I can destroy and otherwise mutilate those bastards in the sky!!!


(Sorry...I need to think peace, calm, tranquility.)


Gimme some useful AA dammit!!!

:ar15:

[WarGimp]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

Hey, I like discussion, but seems like every time anyone mentions tweaking the jets all the fighter jocks get precious about their one and only game tactic getting nerfed.

Good discussion involves not tweaking off the opposition just because you know you can. Also, seeing the other side's point of view is a hella handy skill. For a good example on how to futz this up, check out the first couple pages where I unduely laid into Boojie.

Here are the things I would be in favour of (note none of them involve removing jets):
- Decrease jet armour, increase AA speed/accuracy (I think this is what you were alluding to in your post Wargimp)

Almost. I don't think AA speed or accuracy need ramping up. What I suggested was lowing plane armour AND missile damage, while extending AA range. This would mean that it wouldn't take more AA shots to drop a plane, but rather they wouldn't hurt choppers so baddly despite being able to lock 'em up from further away. It would also make cannons more effective in dog fights (a concept that should make the truely elite plane jocks happy) and make the various direct fire weapons more potent.

- Make jets AA only, so they can duke it out with each other/take out helos. Or maybe only their guns work on the ground.

This ain't gonna happen. Accounting for aircraft attacks on ground targets is a major element of the game. Simply removing their ability to attack the ground would be a massive mistake. Even tho I'm a reasonably terrible pilot and sometimes get annoied while being bombed ad-nausium, I'd miss the threat from above.

- Replace the existing jets with something like an A-10. Slower, yet more firepower against the ground, more akin to the speed of prop-planes in BF42. Making them lethal against ground targets but not supersonic (maps are really too small for full on jets anyway) and easier to hit.

This is firmly in the not gonna happen drawer. Right up there with shoulder launched AA. There's no way we'd ever be able to convince Dice/EA to re-do ALL the planes (or add man portable stingers). Hell, we can't even get another free map outta 'em!

Now, those are my proposals. I don't see any fighter jocks proposing anything other than "learn how to use AA" or "get in a jet".

This does seem to be true... for the most part. It's unfortunate that we can't convince people that it is worth discussing. The truth of the matter is that plane jocks love their planes and the high scores they can wrack up with 'em. It's VERY hard to suggest that something that would result in lower scores for them would be a good thing.

So for the record... plane guys, DO NOT keep spouting that same crap, please. We've all got just as much right to talk about the game we paid for.

Clear?

Good.
I'd like to find a way to apease both sides. I'm still liking the above suggestion on plane armour and AA damage both being ramped down while extending ground AA lock range.

[PHPT]

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Sorry if I offended you, convert.

Offended? Hardly. I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm pointing out the faults in your logic. Namely, that this isn't BF1942 and this isn't BFV, so people like you who demand that everything be identical to them are going to have to suck it up.

Choppers have taken a nerf practically every patch, now it looks as though jets will soon follow, until the "converts" are happy.

If you want BF1942 or BFV, then I suggest you dust those discs off instead of whining that BF2 was something more than just a reskin.

[imported_Wreck]

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Offended? Hardly. I'm not asking for sympathy, I'm pointing out the faults in your logic. Namely, that this isn't BF1942 and this isn't BFV, so people like you who demand that everything be identical to them are going to have to suck it up.

Choppers have taken a nerf practically every patch, now it looks as though jets will soon follow, until the "converts" are happy.

If you want BF1942 or BFV, then I suggest you dust those discs off instead of whining that BF2 was something more than just a reskin.

Sorry but I never liked BFV. Obviously the games aren't identical, but the same basic gameplay need to be maintained.

Dice/EA do not know how to get a proper balance obviously so they are forever in a back and forth struggle between making things invincible and useless.

I'm not demanding anything and I don't whine. I don't come on here and post thread after thread of the same crap. I'm just sick of things getting nerfed to the point of uselessness because of all these threads that don't represent the majority.