1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

[WarGimp]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

Gimpy...I did. Multiple times.

And many people have told you many times, you have no ability to rationally discuss a point.

Got killed, came back to the AA turret. Got killed, came back to the AA turret. I'm sober. I had the audible lock. He was in clear view. It would not hit him.

None of that means you actually were able to aim the thing at all. Rather, it points out that you're kind of a lemming. The first time you get killed should have tipped you off that the chopper was WATCHING that AA emplacement.

This isn't about air superiority or about anything else going on elsewhere on the battlefield. This is AA turret vs. a helo (or jets, but I've given up on jets).

This is about game balance. If you can't take the whole of the system into account, you've got nothing to say worth hearing.

Might as well be screaming about how pistols vs tanks is "unbalanced".

Who's for replacing Stinger/IGLA sites with Flak/AA Machine guns? =P

As I mentioned, mounted .50 cal makes a very effective AA defence against choppers. If your lucky, you can even bag a plane or two (really! those things hurt planes bad IF you can hit 'em).

The mobile AA is also nicely outfitted with directional AA guns, but people are still useing them fairly poorly in most cases.

[Boojie]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

And many people have told you many times, you have no ability to rationally discuss a point.

None of that means you actually were able to aim the thing at all. Rather, it points out that you're kind of a lemming. The first time you get killed should have tipped you off that the chopper was WATCHING that AA emplacement.

First...don't assume.

The helo was not WATCHING the AA turret. He was not facing me but facing the opposite of me.

As to aiming: define it. If I get the lock, that's a reasonable indicator that the AA will likely hit the helo, especially if he is not aware that I am at the turret.

Sorry to **** in your pants. I was looking for info, not to start a personal attack/debate with you.

[MrBenis]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

Look at that! Only the jet and helicopter whores say nothing is wrong with the AA.

1400 confirmed kills in AA right here, and I got most of them firing at INFANTRY! AA got nerfed, I've shot down few jets since the patch.

[WarGimp]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

First...don't assume.

There's a differance between making assumptions and discussing a point based on the information you've laid out.

I suggest you learn it.

The helo was not WATCHING the AA turret. He was not facing me but facing the opposite of me.

If he was facing the other way, how was he killing you?
Oh yeah... those cannons turn! Wow! Socker.

As to aiming: define it. If I get the lock, that's a reasonable indicator that the AA will likely hit the helo, especially if he is not aware that I am at the turret.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=aim

1. To direct a weapon: a gunner aiming carefully.
2. To determine a course or direct an effort: aim for a better education.
3. To propose to do something; intend: The historical society is aiming to restore the town hall.

Given that the missiles have a travel time before they start to track now, you need to lead your target and actually aim those suckers at close range. Just because you hear a buzzing sound doesn't mean you are gonna get an insta-kill.

Sorry to **** in your pants. I was looking for info, not to start a personal attack/debate with you.

Tough boobies.
Here on this forum, when you make silly comments it's open season for people to pick 'em apart. My comment on your posting habbits was far from a personal attack... it was a statment of fact. You may choose to be insulted by it if you wish, but I question the mentality of people that are offended by facts.

[MeNoPausE]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

There's a differance between making assumptions and discussing a point based on the information you've laid out.

I suggest you learn it.

If he was facing the other way, how was he killing you?
Oh yeah... those cannons turn! Wow! Socker.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=aim

Given that the missiles have a travel time before they start to track now, you need to lead your target and actually aim those suckers at close range. Just because you hear a buzzing sound doesn't mean you are gonna get an insta-kill.

Tough boobies.
Here on this forum, when you make silly comments it's open season for people to pick 'em apart. My comment on your posting habbits was far from a personal attack... it was a statment of fact. You may choose to be insulted by it if you wish, but I question the mentality of people that are offended by facts.

It was funny reading your post and then reading your sig

"When there's a failure to see eye to eye, tear his out so you can get a better look"
- The Big Book of Bad Proverbs

LOL! Contradictions are great fun to advertise!!!

[WarGimp]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

Look at that! Only the jet and helicopter whores say nothing is wrong with the AA.

1400 confirmed kills in AA right here, and I got most of them firing at INFANTRY! AA got nerfed, I've shot down few jets since the patch.

From my stats:

Air Defense 06:54:35 211 130 1.62 26

I don't have massive kills via AA, but I shoot things down with it more often than getting killed while in it. Most of these have happend post 1.21.

I do think that ground AA tracking range could be improved, tho.

Infact, here's a *proper* suggestion;
Extend ground bassed AA tracking range to 1000 meters (it's currently 750, I think).
Reduced the amount of damage that missile do.
Speed up emplacement reloading.
Reduce plane armour by the same factor. Leave Choppers alone.

In effect, this would aid in shooting down planes, increase the value of air to air plane cannons, and not hurt choppers. As things are now, choppers aren't overpowered... there's lots of things that can smack 'em down. Tanks, mounted .50 cal, AT missiles, and APCs. Trust me, flying them whirrly birds ain't the free ride it used to be. The minimum travel before tracking time on AA missiles has actually made it easier to hit 'em since you can bypass flares.

Sounds like a perty tight suggestion ta me.
Open to debate, of cource.

[Boojie]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

If he was facing the other way, how was he killing you?
Oh yeah... those cannons turn! Wow! Socker.

He obviously turned around to take me out. The initial shots at him were during a period of time where he was not watching the turret.

As to the rest of your BS, I do in fact suggest you take a look at my posting history. I've never quarreled with you before. In fact, I've had nothing but praise and respect for you. We've politely disagreed in the past, and on occasion, I've defended you when others have attacked you.
You're mistaking me for someone else. But if you do in fact think you're right and my postings are gibberish, then let's leave it at that. As far as I'm concerned, you've come out of the blue laying into me when I thought I have treated you with respect in the past. You need only read this thread to see that I originally called you Gimpy, meaning I thought we were on good terms. I've called you that in the past and it was always meant in an affectionate way, though we've never met or spoke.

[WarGimp]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

It was funny reading your post and then reading your sig


LOL! Contradictions are great fun to advertise!!!

I find Irony amusing... don't you?

As to the rest of your BS, I do in fact suggest you take a look at my posting history. I've never quarreled with you before. In fact, I've had nothing but praise and respect for you. We've politely disagreed in the past, and on occasion, I've defended you when others have attacked you.
You're mistaking me for someone else. But if you do in fact think you're right and my postings are gibberish, then let's leave it at that. As far as I'm concerned, you've come out of the blue laying into me when I thought I have treated you with respect in the past. You need only read this thread to see that I originally called you Gimpy, meaning I thought we were on good terms. I've called you that in the past and it was always meant in an affectionate way, though we've never met or spoke.

This is quite possibly true.

Sorry for the blind-siding.
Mayhaps I'm not in the greatest of moods and this topic is one that's a little touchy to me. I really have had personal experiance in the art of being frustrated with chopper flying. Took me awhile to adapt, but now I'm confortable in the fact that flying choppers is way more harry than it used to be. Getting shot down happens a lot more...

I wouldn't want to see that pushed any further.

Anyway... yer right, didn't need ta be jumping all over you like that. I think I did confuse you and Benis.

[MeNoPausE]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

I find Irony amusing... don't you?

Oh yes, I do. No offense, just thought it was humorous.

[viper1431]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

From my stats:

I don't have massive kills via AA, but I shoot things down with it more often than getting killed while in it. Most of these have happend post 1.21.

I do think that ground AA tracking range could be improved, tho.

Infact, here's a *proper* suggestion;
Extend ground bassed AA tracking range to 1000 meters (it's currently 750, I think).
Reduced the amount of damage that missile do.
Speed up emplacement reloading.
Reduce plane armour by the same factor. Leave Choppers alone.

.

I'm a bit of an AA whore i must admit.
My stats: Air Defense61:07:14 2,182 825 2.64 361

I havn't noticed the AA being nerfed more in 1.22, even though i was told by someone it had been. I was on wake last night and sitting in the AA near the end of one of the island tips(always forget the base names)
I don't think a single missile missed hitting either a jet or attack chopper.

Before 1.21 it would have beena case of most missiles completely missing by miles, i think they have it fairly balanced right now.

Only annoying thing is they already decreased the missile damage, it now takes 3 stingers to take down a jet, before 1.21 it used to be 2.

I completely aggree with extending the range, as it is the jets can kill you well before they even get close enough to lock on to them, that's the most annoying thing for me.

[mlkmnz]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

Ground forces should only be constantly pummelled by air forces if your air support is crappy. It's your team's fault, not DICE's.

I loathe this standard lame response to people who find the air power unfair in this game.

Unununium, what's say (and open your mind real wide now) that you and all your buddies are crap pilots, and just want to land and duke it out mano-a-mano? You can't, and only because of the actions of one opposing team member in a jet. This is not a test of general skills of BF2, only the capabilities of some flightsim buff with joystick. Without someone on your team flying against them, you have no hope at all, even if you have a well co-ordinated group working in AA emplacements. So yeah, it is DICE's problem, they have a severly imbalanced vehicle in the jets, why bother even having AA if you can't shoot down anything with it. And go figure out why people favour city maps while you're at it.

They need to nerf the jets even more than they nerfed the blackhawk (1 shot with a SAM to kill), that way only the hardcore stay flying, and not for that long either.

[imported_Wreck]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

I am. (Whatever that means).

Better yet, nix the jets.

How about finding another game to play. Maybe the BF series isn't your cup of tea.

[mlkmnz]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

Hehe... the other night I bagged 2 F-15s with a Vodnik on Cleansweep!

Yeah but they were on the ground and already smoking....

[HowieMandel]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

I think the best defense against air, would be shoulder fired AA. Couple of things, AA could in effect come from damn near anywheres on a map. Versus now, where its fairly obvious on 90% of the maps where AA is located at. And to boot, not only is it well known where the AA are located it, a big ol' Warning pops up for the pilots to say..
"DUDE SOMEONE IS IN THAT AA". Which really, for balance sakes, kinda stupid. Especially since the AA is so weak. (dont argue this, its weak) Now if AA was really strong, yes, a warning that its occupied, would be acceptable. However now, all that warning does for pilots is yell, "FREE KILL HERE DUDE!".
But anyways, Shoulder fired Stinger kits, combined with the AT kits........like Desert COmbat had.....and the game would be a tad bit more fun. (kinda like DC was a tad bit more fun, then bf2)

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

Re: 1.22 - The AA is dummied down again...sigh

Wow... dude you need to just shut up..




First off, you were on the CHINESE... yes.. J-10's were on your team... If they were THAT CRAPPY, then switch to the USMC. Choppers = easy kills, and if they werent killing them thats a clear indication to switch to the other team.




NOW... dude are you fucking retarded..? if you get killed in an AA turret... by the same guy.... 2 times in a row..... why in the HELL... would you get in it anymore? Use your ****ing head and think of a different way to kill him. He was expecting you to jump back in there, and you being the idiot that you were, did just that. You deserve to get killed over and over.



ANOTHER THING..... LEARN TO USE THE AA.... don't just fuckin sit in it and aim at people.... wait for them to pass you up, then get in and lock on and shoot at their backs. Jets get a nice big green box that screams "SHOOT ME I'M RETARDED" for whenever you are in the AA. But if you get a decent pilot he is going to blow it up anyways.




And the AA did NOT get dummied down... they didn't even change the thing. Stop getting in the AA if it sucks so bad.. just do something else... like maybe help your team... or sneak over to the arty island.... or carrier... or.... oooh heres one... maybe join the US......