Blackhawk Must Return

[WarGimp]

Re: Blackhawk Must Return

The BH was one of the most teamwork intensive elements of BF2.
id have to give that to the attack heli. how exactly is wrenching in the back of the bh using teamwork, you are just sitting there.

I was gonna say, "watch the video" but it's already been pulled down 45 times... so chances are high that you have.

No-one in my squad was "just sitting in the back wrenching". Everyone was active. My engies where just as responcible for cappin flags as they were for keepin me fixed 'n flying. You can also see that we were using that sucker as more than just a pointswhoring platfrom. The guns where secondary to actually cappin points and causing chaos.

I must say, I still when I watch that vid... outflying those attack choppers was hella fun (oh, bad pun). Before ya call the attackchopper pilot a noob, he did just fine splashing the other BH several times. It's just not on-camera.

Sorry again for the horrible quality.

Edit: Grr. I hate making valid points on the bottom of pages where no-one will ever see them. Click here: http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=44

[HowieMandel]

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The BH was one of the most teamwork intensive elements of BF2.
WarGimp.... first of all, out of all the folks that post here alot, you stand out in my mind, in general, to be level headed have what I think you have, a pretty decent respect, or a good morality or something to that effect, when it comes to gaming in general, and bf2.
However since your one to explore both sides of an arguement i'd have to disagree with you.
The old blackhawk, yes required teamwork to make it invincible. You remember? Scores of 200 points for BH team members were the norm. It was in fact, invincible with a crew. It destroyed infantry that the gunner couldnt even see. Point, Paint, and spray and rack up kills from any infantry within a 50 foot radius of those guns. Toss in the fact that 1 poor soul launched a rocket at you, 2 guys were on buggies shooting at it, and one apc shooting at it, and one tank got one shot into it...yet the thing still stayed up in the air. Thats not fiction. Thats fact.
Now...for the good part. A good blackhawk crew TODAY, now thats REAL teamwork, with a real thought process in how to attack, when to attack, and when to get outta dodge.
So I would submit, that today blackhawk crew with success is by far more challenging (teamwork) then the blackhawk of old.
Wouldnt you agree?

OHhh and somehow our posts became page 4 (scratches head)

[GSG9xSNIPER]

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I say restore the miniguns, except on Mastuur.

[zacman13245]

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i hate how they made it less powerful, but it should still be able to clear troops easily if you are good at aiming its gun to begin with.

[Roger Smith]

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it still can

[Roger Smith]

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is that because thats the only map where its glaringly unbalanced gameplay problems were aparent?

[tsh2005]

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BH in 1.12 was so great before beacuse of cra@ AA and it had to much armour other then this it was fine... So before you go on about how to not bring it back beacuse people had scores of "200" like you say remember why this happened


I say bring it back becuase right now its a flying death trap..

1) Bring back the armour but make sure the repair rate is as before or make it so only one person can repair at a time
2) Give the min guns splash damage not as much as before but to a point that if you point at someone he dies.. Right now its a joke.. You cant even defend yourself
3) Give mec helis more damage and some splash damage.. To even it out give more armour to the mec heli then the blackhawk

When i say even I mean if I take a BH and the mec heli and just start firing at each other we both die at the same time

A transport heli is not for attacking but it is for "transporting" troops and being able to defend yourself which right now it is nothing like this... Just a big box everyone hops into to die

[Roger Smith]

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You can also see that we were using that sucker as more than just a pointswhoring platfrom. The guns where secondary to actually cappin points and causing chaos.
not only is this usage of the weapon still possible, its quite effective.

[HowieMandel]

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is that because thats the only map where its glaringly unbalanced gameplay problems were aparent?

OMG on that map, that thing could hover in the middle of the map and wipe out everyone on the map at any flag....remember?
Believe me..i've seen old BHawks, own that map, with little movement.

[WarGimp]

Re: Blackhawk Must Return

The BH was one of the most teamwork intensive elements of BF2.
WarGimp.... first of all, out of all the folks that post here alot, you stand out in my mind, in general, to be level headed have what I think you have, a pretty decent respect, or a good morality or something to that effect, when it comes to gaming in general, and bf2.

Thanks.

However since your one to explore both sides of an arguement i'd have to disagree with you.
[a bunch of valid points, clipped for brevity]
Wouldnt you agree?

Yup!

Actually, if you re-read my post, you might find that I'm taking a closer look at both sides that you'd suspect. I did mention that IF armour was to be increased, it should only be slightly. I also mentioned that I think it would be better to have the M134's splash damage returned, but scaled back from what it was.

These observations are based on gameplay. The other night, I was caught dead on a rooftop on Mash by a BH. I puckered my bum and prepaired to die. Sure enough, a massive steam of fire came off the BH while I franticly tried to find some cover. Couldn't jump off the building 'cause there was a damned tank down there.

I survived.
I had no right to survive.
I shuold have been very, very dead.

Not only did I survive, I took aim with my AT toob and killed the 'Hawk.
This used to be a very satisfying thing to pull off, but in this case I felt no ellation. It shouldn't have gone that way and I knew it.

Since 1.2 came out, I don't think I've every been killed by a hawk's guns. As a pilot working really hard to line up my gunners, I've only gotten a small handful of driver kill assists. Infact, I've gotten more road kills that gunner kills (not kidding, I love flying nice 'n low and running people down).

SO!

I enjoy the tenshion of the reduced armour and had no problems adapting to nape of the earth flying. These are pluses in my book. I like seeing a tank and freaking out. I like having to be VERY aware of AA emplacements. I don't like the fact that it's role went from highly flexible (stand off fire support, transport, direct assault) to mono-duty (skycab).

I'd like to see a happy medium.

[Real_CaGeD]

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I say restore the whole damn game! but leave the support weapon changes!

[Ghilleman]

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Maybe instead of giving the BH back its HE rounds, they could just give it tracers so that gunners are more accurate.

[Roger Smith]

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BH in 1.12 was so great before beacuse of cra@ AA and it had to much armour other then this it was fine...
sigh...

I say bring it back becuase right now its a flying death trap..
only to ****ty pilots/crews

1) Bring back the armour but make sure the repair rate is as before or make it so only one person can repair at a time
opening statement is that it had too much armor, and now you suggest adding armor

2) Give the min guns splash damage not as much as before but to a point that if you point at someone he dies.. Right now its a joke.. You cant even defend yourself
no, YOU cant defend yourself, the guns work fine without splash damage, and they were ridiculously easy with it.

[WarGimp]

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Maybe instead of giving the BH back its HE rounds, they could just give it tracers so that gunners are more accurate.

Nice idea. I like that.

[HowieMandel]

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I say restore the whole damn game! but leave the support weapon changes!

maybe not a bad idea. lol


RE DO!!!!