Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

Exactly...and to the tank argument...if it was made same as AA then the tow would kill in one hit, would auto lock and you would always get a free kill....lol what a joke....this patch is crap...the worst patchi have ever seen for any game ever.

I laugh at people like you who have no skill and have no sense for game balance or logic...only the whiners that love to complain because the game actually takes skill...lol

quoted for truth

[MackTheKnifeAU]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

This is not true, a tank driver with real skill can easily take on a tank even when he doesn't get the first hit in, there are no vehicles that are as easy to take out the same vehicle as planes currently are. It's "oh look theres a jet thats already used his flares, click, yay I win".

So? A plane with no flares that has an enemy plane behind them should die.

There is no question about it.

Air2Air missiles are quite easily able to take out a jet with just one missile, you get 2\3 before you die.

Planewhores have had 6 months of untouchable 60\0 round kdr, and how it's time for people on teh ground to have an advantage.

I was in a plane yesterday, I shot enemy planes, helos, and occasionally bombed a important ground target, and I died a few times. Just adapt. Don't whinge because you can't get 50\0 anymore.

Yes because I'm sure in a game with no radar you can keep track of exactly where every enemy plane is and they are never ever going to end up heading towards you by luck, they dont even have to be CLOSE behind you to shoot you down.

It's called situational awareness. You are so used to circle bombing flags that you have no idea what this is an how to adapt it to your current situation.

[-(PK)-DarkIllusion]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

i've learned alot about flyin an airplane from planwhore (his moviez rock!) so, i dunno why he's complaining, when i can actually manage to pull 40 kills in a round on a plane.. dogfightin/bombin runs,etc... wow he must be used to his XXX-0 ratio i guess. i dont mind dyin once or twice in an airplane if it makes other people not hate me and try to kick me out of the server.

[imported_SpungE]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

Natural selection at it's best. The ones who use stuff how they were meant to be in the first place are the ones reaping the rewards now.

[saggyb]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

So? A plane with no flares that has an enemy plane behind them should die.

There is no question about it.

Air2Air missiles are quite easily able to take out a jet with just one missile, you get 2\3 before you die.

Yet again bringing realism up when it has no place. People should die from one pistol shot to the head, people getting knived in the leg should not die instantly, THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE.

Planewhores have had 6 months of untouchable 60\0 round kdr, and how it's time for people on teh ground to have an advantage.

Thanks for making it clear you are just bitter and want all the advantages you can get for what style you like to play rather than a balanced game, it will save me from taking you seriously in the future.

[WarGimp]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

Right now A2A combat is not balanced or fair, do you know how many people would be complaining if tank vs tank combat was made to be like A2A is now?

Funny you should mention that...

One thing that annoied me in my early BF2 playing days was how brain dead simple tank to tank combat seemed to be. You see him, he sees you, you shoot, he shoots, someone dies. No real challange to aiming or manuvering.

Now I know better 'cause I adapted. I know that pre-positioning is important. Getting your shot off before he sees you is critical. Most importantly, you need some good teamwork to make those tanks truely effective.

Exactly the same thing is going on in the sky right now. People haven't figured out the neuances of the new air to air system. They don't know how to fly defensively. They aren't even used to the idea that enemy fighter = YIKES! (well, they're getting that picture rather quickly :p ).

Give this patch 1 week.
I'll bet ya by that time people will not be kavetching nearly as much and we'll be seeing who the real aces are.

[WarGimp]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

Planewhores have had 6 months of untouchable 60\0 round kdr, and how it's time for people on teh ground to have an advantage.

Thanks for making it clear you are just bitter and want all the advantages you can get for what style you like to play rather than a balanced game, it will save me from taking you seriously in the future.

Hehe, back it up there a second chummer.
Re-read that and tell me you aren't a pot calling the kettle black.

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

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Give this patch 1 week.
I'll bet ya by that time people will not be kavetching nearly as much and we'll be seeing who the real aces are.

HELL yeah! "Trudat"

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

me too. Now I am practically untouchable by enemy tanks, knowing the one shot kill spot.

[saggyb]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

Funny you should mention that...

One thing that annoied me in my early BF2 playing days was how brain dead simple tank to tank combat seemed to be. You see him, he sees you, you shoot, he shoots, someone dies. No real challange to aiming or manuvering.

Now I know better 'cause I adapted. I know that pre-positioning is important. Getting your shot off before he sees you is critical. Most importantly, you need some good teamwork to make those tanks truely effective.

Exactly the same thing is going on in the sky right now. People haven't figured out the neuances of the new air to air system. They don't know how to fly defensively. They aren't even used to the idea that enemy fighter = YIKES! (well, they're getting that picture rather quickly :p ).

Give this patch 1 week.
I'll bet ya by that time people will not be kavetching nearly as much and we'll be seeing who the real aces are.

If plane vs plane was like tank vs tank I would have no problem, but the kind of things that allow you to win a tank battle vs a lesser skilled opponent do not exist in a plane right now. It is just a matter of who is behind who first, and considering how sharply the missiles can turn, I use "behind" very loosely.
Situational awareness can only get you so far, even a pilot with very little skill can come at you at a rediculous angle, pop off a quick few and if you don't have flares you aren't going to get away, considering even with a 100% view distance you can't see jets very far away even the most skilled pilots are helpless if an enemy runs into firing range by chance. I have no problem with S2A, maybe give planes an extra flare or up the reload time a bit, but WHY did A2A need these drastic changes?

[Chris_Redfield]

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On the forums its a different matter- DUCK, Im sorry to say this but youre pure ignorance itsself. If you check around and see how infantry laughs over pilots- Im taking every chance I get to laugh over those people.
Execuse my ignorance please, but can you explain to me, in a simple language, what you mean?

Look at the posts of people laughing that "pilots whine because they cant adapt". Adaption has nothing to do with the fact that you die if you have a missile locked on to you.

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A2A is dead. A2S needs thinking. So- A2A needs fixing and A2S is manageble. I dont like he fact that a n00b can kill an expert by clicking but as most pilots have posted out. Its possible to stay alive.

The problem is in the culture of the pilots that they gained before the patch. It is obvious that some people do not want to adapt to it. well, the fact that some people become very annoyed if they get killed by the AA couple of times is just total arrogance.
I also fine it hard to understand why a total noob should not be able to kill an "expert" pilot.

If you look a little bit further, youll notice that whining about AA was over in a matter of hours. People who whined about AA only whined until they played the game. As far as I have read, people come back and say "Allright AA isnt that bad". But the point remains- AA takes ZERO skills to get a skill as opposed to prepatch where a skillful AAer did get his kills and a skilless didnt. Much like a skilless pilot didnt get (much) kills and skillful did. Skilless pilots rely on luck while bombing, skillful pilots rely on skills. I dont even know how to break it down to people who are infantry-only.

A2A- you obviously have ZERO idea what youre talking about. A2A leaves the target very little chances of escaping when the tail has a lock-on. The dogfights are over in a matter of seconds. As opposed to the pre-patch dogfights where my hands were shaking from adrenaline and I sweat like a horse from excitement- dogfights lasted and they were awesome and fun. Its totally different. I had so much fun going against skillful pilots and exchanging roles. being a tail didnt guarantee you a win. Newbies were shot down because they flew level. Skillful pilots were shot down because they did a mistake. It was wonderful, fun, awesome.

If you watch PlaneWhores video, youll see just HOW useful a jet can get to your team. I as a squadleader got a pilot to work for me, and he cleared bases/tanks/APCs/infantry for me and it was awesome. This will be more common now when pilots in squads swoop in after the squads sniper has taken down the AA. But only for a short while. Soon, "death from above" will be a standard for AA.

And back again- A2A- if its over in a second- its no fun. In infantry level combat theres so much you can do against a player with skills. But with 100% efficient weapons that dont rely on players timing and experience- its bad.

The people who got the most fun from dogfights (like me) are kicked in the balls.

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Its simple and logical to assume that a jet does more damage than a grunt.

if it were not a game then you are right. now in a game everyone wants to have fun. if you kill 70 players in a single game then you are the only one having fun. the jets were untouchable before the patch. I am glad that the "expert" pilots do not want to fly anymore. We can have fun now

Apply simple maths, after I expect you to NEVER EVER use any numbers on forums.

70 kills means that a jet killed you 2 times. Thats not that bad actually, is it? But youre fvcking jealous of that 140 score tha pilot got as opposed to your 50? Thats the real issue here, I believe.

[MackTheKnifeAU]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

Yet again bringing realism up when it has no place. People should die from one pistol shot to the head, people getting knived in the leg should not die instantly, THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE.

Then why are you complaining about the planes then? If realisim has no place, then you should respect what the developers do (because realisim is not in effect, it's what the devs want), in this case, make air vulnerable again. They have'nt nerfed their weapons, just made things that are supposed to kill them (which is the rock scissor paper gameplay that has been around since 1942) be able to kill them now. I can finally use the linebacker to kill planes and helos, not just to shoot infantry.

The essex should be off limits, it's a fricking aircraft carrier ffs, it's got 2 phalanx and 2 sea sparrow, it should have been effective to begin with.

Thanks for making it clear you are just bitter and want all the advantages you can get for what style you like to play rather than a balanced game, it will save me from taking you seriously in the future.

This is balanced, I fly planes before patch, and I fly planes after patch, I now know that if I'm on the ground and planes are around, I can kill them. I now know that if I'm in a plane, I have to be carefull where I go and what I attack.

It's like 1942, where every tank had a machine gun ontop, and there were flak guns all over the place, if you attacked a tank squad, you'd come out either dead or with severe damage if they were aware and got on the guns.

It's like desert combat, where I fly my A10 over an enemy base, I have to be carefull of enemy infantry, and the deadly SA3 (which was my job in clan wars with it), because the SA3 could swat planes down like flies, and the Stinger was hurt on planes and helos. Jets had pretty much one shot kill missiles (although they were'nt guided), and fighters actually faught with each other, and then tried to get enemy bombers.

That was true balance.

We now have balance in BF2. Planes can still rape people, but now the people can fight back.

Look at the posts of people laughing that "pilots whine because they cant adapt". Adaption has nothing to do with the fact that you die if you have a missile locked on to you.

So you are just using the same old tactics, despite the threat level going way up?

Good way to get yourself killed that is.

[saggyb]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

Hehe, back it up there a second chummer.
Re-read that and tell me you aren't a pot calling the kettle black.

I spend barely any time in the air compared to on the ground, and as a ground soldier ive never had any problem with planes. They are a vehicle and deal alot of damage, just like tanks and LAVs, and I had no problem staying out of their way. I don't want any advantage, my problem is that the impact skill has on an A2A outcome has been reduced so drastically and there was really NO need for it.

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

If plane vs plane was like tank vs tank I would have no problem, but the kind of things that allow you to win a tank battle vs a lesser skilled opponent do not exist in a plane right now. It is just a matter of who is behind who first, and considering how sharply the missiles can turn, I use "behind" very loosely.
Situational awareness can only get you so far, even a pilot with very little skill can come at you at a rediculous angle, pop off a quick few and if you don't have flares you aren't going to get away, considering even with a 100% view distance you can't see jets very far away even the most skilled pilots are helpless if an enemy runs into firing range by chance. I have no problem with S2A, maybe give planes an extra flare or up the reload time a bit, but WHY did A2A need these drastic changes?

yes, I have planes got behind me in that game. but remember

it takes at least one second to lock
and you have flares.

You can outrun the oppoenent (if you are in JSF), or shake off the missile (J10)

I think I will write a plane guide later regarding each plane's advantage and the new mode of dogfight.

[HABO3]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE.

so wtf are you still going on about, they could make AA missiles never hit a target ever again or they could make them dead on accurate, it's about gameplay balance and now jets get to die almost (they still get more kills) as often as the infantry they bomb.

edit: heh Mack said just about the same thing I just did.