Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

[quote=Wargimp]Everything I've seen of his plane skills showed a distinct lack of dog fighting abilities.
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Especially when I dropped in on his arse 'n put two up his tail in 1.12.
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He's a great ground raper. Too bad it now takes skill fly now.[/quote]

1. I havent fought with him actually, cant comment on this. But from what I´ve seen from his video, he is good at what he does.

2. I do this with far more skilled people than I did. This doesnt mean youre good. This mostly means youre lucky.

3. And it didnt before? Man you make me laugh. Seriously. It does take skills to fly like it did in 1.12. BUT, theres a need of changing and adjusting your gameplay. I for one was impressed by his video and as a groundpounder I would have loved to keep him as "my squads air support" or "mobile artillery" as I did with a lot of my friends. He cuts down armor/APCs/Vehicles and air choppers with precision and skills. The baserape runs he did on that video were "opportunity kills". He did a lot for the guys on the ground. A lot of pilots do and its just mad how people dont appreciate it.

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

I am not a planewhore, I don't strafe carriers (I doubt you can in 1.2), I normally have a 4.04 KDR in planes pre 1.2

And here's a screenie



taken in a J10

If you are good, you still own

[Twisted-]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

At first i kind of thought the AA wasn't that much of a change, however now spending a good 10 hours in a jet with the new patch i can see his points and have jumped over the otherside of the fence.

The missiles are doing stupid things, they can now turn at 90 degree angles and i've seen some do 180 degree turns to nail a plane from the front when it went past it. The air to air missiles are a joke, when you fire them you are either going to hit the enemy you are locked on or hit a team mate. Their is no more missing with air to air missiles, they seem to just fly around looking for a target by themselves, there is no longer any skill required to dog fight it's just lock and shoot first.

I am enjoying the more free planes and the challenge of avoiding other planes and AA, but when all AA stations are manned and jets are focussing on taking each other out then the jets stand no chance.

Edit: LOL @ previous post, a score like that on china and wake means nothing. If anything it proves you don't own, either:

A) you were strafing the carrier, considering the score of the other pilot on the other team you were not trying to take each other out.

B) Everyone was too busy playing snipers and support all the AA was not manned.

C) You raped the middle island.

The other facts for this are, playing on china means nothing as the j-10 can still evade AA much more than the other planes. China starts with 6 AA sites compared to US 1, and the one us has is stuck behind trees so you can stafe it before it can shoot you. Meanwhile the US has to deal with 6 other AA all spread out across the island. You also have full blackhawks and boats driving around out of range of any AA that will take you out and are completely defensless.

[WarGimp]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

Please note: Flying flat and level when someone's got tone on ya does NOT denote much in the way of skill.

I make no claims to being a great pilot, but every time I've gotten into a fighter I've made it my priority to go after enemy aircraft. My KDR in planes blows, but I'm proud of it 'cause it's almost entirely pre-1.2 air to air kills.

Observation: Most pilots are entirely un-used to being threatened, be it from the air or the ground. This is what made it possible for me to get Air to Air kills before. I'd come in on someone and they wouldn't even try to take evasive manuvers. Pilots have gotta learn ta deal with these threats. If they can't adapt, screw 'em. They suck.

I am enjoying the more free planes and the challenge of avoiding other planes and AA, but when all AA stations are manned and jets are focussing on taking each other out then the jets stand no chance.

Keep in there man. I've got loads more respect fer ya than the vast majority of pilots 'round these parts. You've demonstrated through your posts a willingness to take on the new challange. Yer gonna be just fine.

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

who cares about this noob

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

I am not a planewhore, I don't strafe carriers (I doubt you can in 1.2), I normally have a 4.04 KDR in planes pre 1.2

And here's a screenie



taken in a J10

If you are good, you still own

:laugh:

my ass you dont rape the carrier... i cant even count how many games i have played with you where you just ...rape the carrier..

because i know your name, and i know when and where i have seen it, and it was in dedicated wake 24/7. and thats one of the only servers i play in.

if you consider blowing up AA, land vehicles, heli's, other jets (j-10s because i only play us), and dumbasses that wait on the helipad/jetspawn, a "spawn raper" or some BS, then you are wrong. flying on the US and chinese are 2 completely different things. china imo is boring (because i dont rape the carrier.... like everyone else does...)

Sure I may "rape the AIRFIELD" sometimes, but this is way different than the carrier, for one reason. You can spawn at ANY of the 4 remaining bases.

Basically my priorities in the jet are:

1) Active AA's (UNLESS there is a j-10 raping the carrier, then its jets)
2) light vehicles/cars
3) jets
4) helis (fun as hell to kill, and really fast. cannon only, no bs missles)
5) Tanks
6) when there are NO more vehicles out, i go to the air vehicle spawns until i see another vehicle.

back to PLA. if you dont strafe carriers, which i know is a lie because you have done it to me multiple times, then are you insisting you kill ONLY jets? because that is BS.

[MooneyBravo]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

there is no longer any skill required to dog fight it's just lock and shoot first.

Wrong. If the other pilot had 'skill' in the first place the other pilot would not have gotten the chance to shoot first. If anything there's more skill required now because you actually have to DO something to avoid the missles.

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

:laugh:

my ass you dont rape the carrier... i cant even count how many games i have played with you where you just ...rape the carrier..

because i know your name, and i know when and where i have seen it, and it was in dedicated wake 24/7. and thats one of the only servers i play in.

if you consider blowing up AA, land vehicles, heli's, other jets (j-10s because i only play us), and dumbasses that wait on the helipad/jetspawn, a "spawn raper" or some BS, then you are wrong. flying on the US and chinese are 2 completely different things. china imo is boring (because i dont rape the carrier.... like everyone else does...)

Sure I may "rape the AIRFIELD" sometimes, but this is way different than the carrier, for one reason. You can spawn at ANY of the 4 remaining bases.

Basically my priorities in the jet are:

1) Active AA's (UNLESS there is a j-10 raping the carrier, then its jets)
2) light vehicles/cars
3) jets
4) helis (fun as hell to kill, and really fast. cannon only, no bs missles)
5) Tanks
6) when there are NO more vehicles out, i go to the air vehicle spawns until i see another vehicle.

back to PLA. if you dont strafe carriers, which i know is a lie because you have done it to me multiple times, then are you insisting you kill ONLY jets? because that is BS.

actually, I never played in the server you described above. I only play in ONE server, and that's TNT wake and karkand only. that screenshot was taken in that server.

I can take a similar screenshot as US, because I don't want to go near to that carrier (no way to survive the current AA), I do try to keep my KD up.

Yes, all I shot was plane, I believe I shot down 6-10 JSF that round, include that first LT's plane (multiple times), I shot a couple AA sites, some jeeps, around 3 tanks, and I bombed one time on a stinger site, got 4 kills.

Point is, I am not a good pilot, I don't have joystick, I can't dogfight with the joystick people before, but I do know how to position myself to gain the upperhand in 1.2.

oh yeah, If I strafe carrier, there is NO way I could end up with only one death. You cannot physically escape the AA range (8 magic missiles!) if you choose to do so.

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

actually, I never played in the server you described above. I only play in ONE server, and that's TNT wake and karkand only. that screenshot was taken in that server.

I can take a similar screenshot as US, because I don't want to go near to that carrier (no way to survive the current AA), I do try to keep my KD up.

Yes, all I shot was plane, I believe I shot down 6-10 JSF that round, include that first LT's plane (multiple times), I shot a couple AA sites, some jeeps, around 3 tanks, and I bombed one time on a stinger site, got 4 kills.

Point is, I am not a good pilot, I don't have joystick, I can't dogfight with the joystick people before, but I do know how to position myself to gain the upperhand in 1.2.

oh yeah, If I strafe carrier, there is NO way I could end up with only one death. You cannot physically escape the AA range (8 magic missiles!) if you choose to do so.

I'm not saying you strafed the carrier in that game... you'd have to be crazy...

i'm saying, 1.12, i KNOW that name from a server, maybe it wasnt that, but i have been on the carrier and been killed more than 3-4 times by that name.

[MackTheKnifeAU]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

Planewhore is'nt adapting. He even SAYS he won't fly high, and is continuing to play normally.

I guess he flies like he always has, trying to rape everything from medium\low level flying, raping the carrier, strafing flags etc.

You CANNOT fly like pre-patch now, because it's suicide.

A fighter pilot will need to stay high above the low level AA (which IRL has been the main cause of pilot\airframe casulties across various conflicts), and have to use tactics and fight the enemy planes. IRL the plane that gets behind almost always wins, and even more so in bf2 where a rear shot with current missiles is almost certain death for your enemy.

Planewhore goes to rape a airfield, gets owned by stingers, strafe a flag = owned by stingers, rape carrier, owned by phalanx\sea sparrow (as it should).

[saggyb]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

Most of the people claiming that things are perfect and anyone who complains is a planewhore are just bitter n00bs that couldn't stand being killed by jets.

Before anyone call me a planewhore I play as infantry 80% of the time, unlike most people I'm just not a whiner and can stay out of the way of jets.

The patch went WAY too far. Yes jets needed to be fixed, but not pushed back to the role they have now.

YES jets should be stronger than your average grunt, it is a game that relies on a combination of many factors to balance, just like good tanks and LAVs can rape countless people in a round without being touched.

S2A is managable, but if the missiles are going to be so amazing the plane needs at least 2-3 rounds of flares to give it a good chance.

A2A needs to be brought back to almost the same level it used to be, how is it fair that any noob pilot can kill any expert pilot if they end up behind them by luck, its not the same with any other kit or vehicle in the game... it ruins the whole point of being a good pilot.

Most of the people rejoicing here are clearly just bitter noobs that can't take dieing a few times because they were too stupid to get out of the way.

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

Most of the people claiming that things are perfect and anyone who complains is a planewhore are just bitter n00bs that couldn't stand being killed by jets.

Before anyone call me a planewhore I play as infantry 80% of the time, unlike most people I'm just not a whiner and can stay out of the way of jets.

The patch went WAY too far. Yes jets needed to be fixed, but not pushed back to the role they have now.

YES jets should be stronger than your average grunt, it is a game that relies on a combination of many factors to balance, just like good tanks and LAVs can rape countless people in a round without being touched.

S2A is managable, but if the missiles are going to be so amazing the plane needs at least 2-3 rounds of flares to give it a good chance.

A2A needs to be brought back to almost the same level it used to be, how is it fair that any noob pilot can kill any expert pilot if they end up behind them by luck, its not the same with any other kit or vehicle in the game... it ruins the whole point of being a good pilot.

Most of the people rejoicing here are clearly just bitter noobs that can't take dieing a few times because they were too stupid to get out of the way.

you don't get behind someone "by luck", you get there by situational awareness, outmanuvering someone

[zacman13245]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

yeah, i since when is AA not going to threate na pilot in real-life, i mean really, if anything its become more realistic, originally you could just slightly move and the AA misslie would miss, now it is real, it keeps the noobs out of the sky.

[saggyb]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

you don't get behind someone "by luck", you get there by situational awareness, outmanuvering someone

Yes because I'm sure in a game with no radar you can keep track of exactly where every enemy plane is and they are never ever going to end up heading towards you by luck, they dont even have to be CLOSE behind you to shoot you down.

[Alcorr]

Re: Where are you |CCC|Planewhore?

The problem with AA is this. Take a skilled pilot like me with well over a hundred hours in the cockpit, versus a person who just purchased and installed BF2 in an AA launcher. They point in the direction of my plane, wait a second or two, and click the mouse button twice and I'm dead. Now, being a sucessful and deadly pilot, in my opinion, takes a very large amount of skill and practice, and I'm not talking about those newbies who can get 20 or maybe 30 kills in a round of Wake 2007 in the J-10, but rather talking about the handful of pilots who were able to constantly get 70+ kills per round, on any map (aka, the people who got planes nerfed in the first place). Now, on the other side of the equation, the new AA missiles require no technique, timing, or consideration for the trajectory of plane you and engaging. Now take that newbie in an AA site, and multiply it by the 10+ AA sites in every map, including the small ones, and you see the problem. Not to mention, Mobile AA launchers are even worse (if that was even possible) and the Essex is nearly unapproachable, or rather a roll of the dice because if you don't kill the correct Essex gun on your pass, you're dead. The biggest problem with this AA is it always hits with no input from the user whatsoever.

Thats a perfect post of why AA hasn't been fixed....

I am not a planewhore, I don't strafe carriers (I doubt you can in 1.2), I normally have a 4.04 KDR in planes pre 1.2

And here's a screenie

You can show end game screens all you want, but those don't mean anything because even if you say so, people weren't neccesarily shooting AA missiles at you....