Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

[Verzili]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

I think it's about time for marshall Scinto to start doing his job and close this thread, and hopefully the same 3 numb nuts won't start another one of the same kind. This chopper threads are getting very anoying.

i think its a good idea to keep it open,maybe then they will see,its not that bad to give others a chance..think of it as evasive maneuver training :)

[signa]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

I can solo with hydras just as well. :banana:

[predragjanjic]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

choppers anyone?

ill be in R|A

come get murdered :evil:

[Gun slinger]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

this thread is going no where fast LOL

but to add to it.....

I USED to pick up anyone and give them a chance, but as I stated before, Im sick and tired of having a 2:1 kdr or LESS when I got a noob co-pilot......WHERE THE HELL IS THE FUN IN THAT
I play to have fun, if soloing is more fun for ME then screw the noobs who cant co-pilot, and SCREW TEAMWORK.........even though if I solo I AM more valuable to the team than I am with a sub-par co-pilot

And yes there are 2 sides to every argument. I admit that if I have a co-pilot like Signa, Sloi, Pred or someone of their caliber then the chopper is even MORE valuable to the team.....but to find a co-pilot like that in a pub is few and far between. And I will do what I have to do to make the game more fun for ME. After all isnt that why I bought the game, for ME, for MY enjoyment. Screw the teamwork, screw the noobs, I didnt buy the game to make someone elses time more fun.


Its sorta like the joke I made last night as commander, a SL asked for a supply drop so I give it to him (he needed it he was in a heated tank battle) immediately after someone else asks for one, a sniper sitting by himself, he does the old "requesting supply drop" "requesting supply drop" "requesting supply drop" "requesting supply drop" about 6 times so I tell him over voip
and I will quote this because these are the exact words
"ffs a$$hole I just dropped supplies you got to wait your f**kin turn, your not the most important person here you know" then I paused for a brief second and followed up with "I AM" LOL about 3-4 other SL responded with laughter LOL then I told them I was joking and I would get the supplies as soon as they were available

[G0ggy]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

Are you Chris's boyfriend?

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

He is killing armor and chopters but hes not cooperating with anyone.

Considering the fact that killing armor and other choppers, aswell as killing infantry is all a chopper can do, Id say hes cooperating with the team in its purest sense. Unless you like to fly the chopper around on the top of the head of your squadleader, get killed and call yourself a teamworker. CAS, close in air support, thats what a chopper does.

Yes. But thats not automatically teamwork.

Then what would be teamwork? What is teamwork, if its not killing armor, which is what for the chopper was designed for? Is teamwork flying around with another pilot? Whom does this teamwork benefit? Whom does this sub-par perfomance benefit? Teamwork is a group of people who are working together to achieve a common goal. A chopper, as a vehicle, is a close in air support vehicle which is designed to KILL and KILL ONLY. It doesnt matter whos operating it, because if its killing, its doing its job. And if its coincidentally taking care of armor that a squad has a problem with, it has just cooperated with a squad in aiding them against a superior vehicle.

Please, your vision of teamwork has already been proven. Its a group of 6 newbies getting killed by artillery because they dont know what teamwork is beyond moving close together in an open field.

And you are delusional if you think that every player with a positive K/D ratio is a peamplayer. Jesus Christ, how dumb can a person get? You my friend, is a great example that age and wisedom dont exactly "folow eachother" if you get my point

If a pilot has a negative KDR, hes a newbie. How can a newbie benefit the team? He cant. In physics, if theres no motion, theres no work being done. If theres no result, theres no effect. A player with a positive KDR is benefiting his team because hes taking more tickets than hes giving back. Unless you are a retard, which is unfortunately what youve proven yourself to be, the game is all about tickets. The team which loses all of its tickets, loses. In such terms, by the very definition. Everyone whos playing to take away opppsitions tickets, is a teamplayer. Everyone who has a positive KDR at doing so, is an efficient teamplayer.

Erm.. Its actually the other way around. Do you actually think that a guy flying a chopter worries about those guys on the ground? And do you actually think that anyone cares for more that 10 sec if they win or loose the game? When you see tickets at the end of the round you just thing "Woohoo" or "Crap" and then you forget about it.

So youre saying that when a pilot takes care of a tank that has pinned you down, he hasnt benefitted you, helped you in any way? Thats some good thinking. If nobody cares about winning, then everyone cares about their own personal fun. Why the **** are you playing then, because youre constantly making an impression that youre worth **** on the field. We know how much youre worth, no need to put people down who actually are personally responsible for the teams losses or wins. Youre cannon fodder.

I

dont know... Maybe so they wont kill me?

Or maybe because youre a statwhore and are worried about your KDR. Maybe the chopper pilots too do not want to get killed? Youre a hypocritical *******.

Have a skilled 2 man crew. Twat

Why does the chopper pilot have to hinder his own perfomance and potential in killing? If hes doing better work at killing and staying alive (thus benefiting his team more), why should he fly you around, you- who can hit a broadside of a barn at 6 foot distance? Its already established that a choppers job is to kill. The more efficient it is at it, the more it benefits the team. And if your actions end with no result, you are not a teamplayer. Unless you forgot what teamplay is about- its about increasing the result of ones actions by grouping together. Statistics show that 2 men working as a team, beat 5 people who are alone. Do people group up for the reason of safety and efficiency, or because its cool? So if people group up with other people who ENDANGER their safety and efficiency, wouldnt they have to find another teammate? Or possinly, with no other option, go alone?

No. But like i said, if you actually think that a soloer is a teamplayer you should consider going to a doctor.

You still havent proven to me in any way or form, how a soloer is a teamworker and how does a pilot benefit from a gunner. How does a team benefit from a pair.

And that comes from a guy who doesnt like to use VOIP and who also didnt like ArmA(im not a big fan of it, but thats more coz of graphics/physics) or PR wish are probably games where you get most teamwork

Im sorry, I play airsoft, paintball, soccer. All three of them are direct team based competitive games with extremely heavy reliance on teamwork. You can play airsoft and paintball the whole round without saying a word if the situation can afford such luxury. I am not the retard who thinks that regardless off the result, using a microphone enhances your perfomance as a teamplayer. Its the actions you take, not the communications method you use. BF2 has a commo rose, its more than enough to get the basics fulfilled. SWAT4 has a pic-in-pic system, which is even better. Its actually a proven fact that the less things you concentrate on, the better you perform. So in action, only an idiot would have the time to talk. The best BF2 player I knew personally, never used a mic until we started playing with him, and he openly admitted that it was a distraction. The best squads (most scoring and the ones that win the game) use mic as little as possible, and rely on visuals more, spotting. Audio communication enhances the flow of information, it dies NOT make you a teamplayer by default. Please prove me how it does.

Have you actually considered that its more fun to talk with other ppl while your playing? Oh wait... Your not one of those guys who live in your moms basement?

I dont need to talk to other people over cyberspace because Ive got enough friends to talk to. Youre 17, I can say with full confidence that youre still with your parents. I have a job, go to college and live in my own appartment. I play game to have fun, not to talk to 17 year olds whos balls havent dropped yet and squeal like little girls. I find it distracting and annoying, endangering my potential as a teamplayer. FUN and TEAMWORK do not go hand by hand. As a matter of fact, teamwork by its very definition is hard. Often unfun. How many lonewolves you see in BF2? Plenty, right? Its easier, and more fun to rely on your own set of skills, than to constantly support your fellow man and limit your own potential. I bet youll rush in calling me an idiot because teamwork is more fun. Statistics dont like. BF2 game, heavily relied on squad system and has an open common goal, has a lot more lonewolves than desired. Stats dont like.

So you cant talk and shoot at the same time?

If it hinders my perfomance as a player, and it does, I shoot first and talk when its safe. Only an idiot would chatter and chatter to no end thinking its cool. All you do is to tell the squad where to go, ask for a kit/ammo/medpack if necessary and spot targets along with brief info about the target. Each message should take as little as 1-3 seconds. KISS method is prefered in any kind of communication in battle. Because its distracting and endangering the soldier. Reality doesnt lie.

Things get ALOT easier with VOIP

How exactly. Youre pulling this out of your *** without backing it up. Start explaining.

Im so insulted:cry:

Im so flattered.

Things get much easier with a mic

How exactly?

He could tell you all you had to know if you were using VOIP.

Except that all I need to do is to use command: "With you.", and he knows I have his picture in my screen, and Im watching everything he sees. This means that he can concentrate on shooting, and I can concentrate on flanking. SWAT4 offers excellent sound, I can hear what the opponent does without any info given. What grenade he pulls out, what pin he pulls out of the grenade, what ammo hes using and what weapon hes firing. SWAT4 never needed VOIP to be great at offering deep teamwork. Clan battles of course, theres TS and Vent, but thats a given as they typically exchange more info.

Well there you go. You just said that things get easier with VOIP.

I said VOIP makes info exchange easier, not ease the game, *******.

How the hell can you be using VOIP with no teamwork involved??

You can use VOIP to exchange information and still not do any teamwork. You can play with 6 solo guys and all they need to do is to tell you **** without you cooperating with them.

How does VOIP automatically make a squad work as a team, or how does teamwork need VOIP to exist. Please enlighten me, oh General Patton.

Having a positive K/D doesnt make you a teamplayer,get that concept through your skull.

Having a positive KDR makes you an efficient player, if that positive KDR is shown in a game where killing enemy is the main goal, you are working towards a common goal thus making you a teamplayer by default. Logic.

Who said anything about bad orders?? You talking about this as if moving together is sertain death.

Moving together, in a tight bunch in BF2 is certain death. Ever heard of "formations"? Or how to cross an opening? Leapfrogging? Moving together is "easy", but dangerous. Youve already admitted that if you die together its teamwork. People work as a team to LIVE and not to DIE.

Quote me on where I said theres more teamwork in BF2 than Arma or PR.

You didnt

Then why the **** did you pring it up?

Poor baby... Walking for 1 min is to boring for you? Oh and i thought that you disliked younger ppl for being to eager to get into action. I think i smell a little contradiction here. Or it might be just all that ******** i have to read here idk...

I want to get into action because Im good enough as a player to bring back at least some results before I get capped. Young, inexperienced players with attitude and no show of skill get themselves and me killed. Theres no contradiction here, youre just hurt because I would redline you in an instant because thats exactly which category you fall into. No knowledge, no skill, no tolerance and no willingness to learn. Walking 1 minute isnt a gamekiller. Tell me where I said it was.

Go and play PR and you'll see what teamwort really is

Already have, I stuck to SWAT4 and hilariously, to BF2.

So you basically want more action?

Yup, action is entertainment and thats why I play my games.

Quote me on where I said that.

Here:
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Originally Posted by Chris_Redfield
And in the end, its DAMN FUN to fly with a joystick

Dont you remember what yourself write?

Did I say that joystick is funner than mouse? Did I say it as a fact? I said its fun to fly with a stick. I even uderlined the fact that joystick flies differently than a mouse and that players who buy a stick want to experience that game. Dont forget, its you who are telling people its a waste of money based on your perfomance in a J10 in Wake Island.

Well you just said that its "DAMN FUN" to fly with a stick so i think that it can be called "giving advice on how to have more or less fun"

Please tell me how is "DAMN FUN" instantly discarding the fun factor from flying with a mouse, or how, based on my sentence, did I say that joystick is more or less fun than a mouse? I gave an opinion on flight with a stick, I didnt compare it to a mouse like you do. If you want to use arguments and counterarguments in a debate, and look for inconsistencies and contradictions, youre making yourself look like a ******* for using lies and fabrications.

Ppl come to ask if they need a stick to be a better pilot. And no they dont. Hence its a waste of money.

If you made a poll right now, asking how many converts are happy with their change, you would get an astonishing number. In pure and simple statistics, there are more "top grade" pilots with a stick, than with a mouse&KB or KB only. I know from a top grade pilot named _Serhend_ (who has killed N2K for example), that hes unhappy with his KB only configuration and because its hindering his perfomance as a pilot, he cannot take out the top pilots of BF2 (Rabbit.v2 for example). Off the top of my head, I can name 3 pilots I know that dont use a joystick and can be considered "great pilots", the list consisting of people who use a stick, is greater, far greater. I started with KBonly, then MKB and ended up with a stick. The improvement was vast.

You dont need a stick to be a great pilot, you need a stick if youre looking for a more natural flight feel, more accessibility in keys, diversity in your style and efficiency and better results in multiple maneuvering.

Yes you told us were clearly that you redline ppl for being under 18 of age and not because they sucked. Just like your fellow Hitler exterminated jews just coz they were jews and not because they were doing something wrong.

Please quote me on where I said "I redline people who are under 18 of age and not because they suck". Please go ahead and quote me. Hitler actually gave a fairly throughal explanation to why he was exterminating jews. He was also not only exterminating jews, but gipsies and people of other nations, mentally or physically challenged, black people and old people. I suggest you get your history and facts straight. And scroll back and find the reason why I redline people of younger age.

Here we go. More personal attacks. You make me cry:cry:

Dont be a hypocrite, remember who started with the insults. You officially gave me a green light to call you whatever I please.

How about "Flying just to kill ppl"?

How about "helicopters function is to provide close in air support in form of killing armor and infantry"?

Seriously, you my friend are so dumb that im amaized that you can actually hit keys on your keyboad

Please tell me how a soloer is not a teamworker, and how a chopper duo of less perfomance, is?

That makes you an idiot

An idiot would be someone who is limited by his views, experience, age or mental capacity. In fact, once a study was conducted asking people "what is an idiot, who is an idiot" and nobody, noone had a correct answer. My choices to be an asshat make me a bad person. Your obvious lack of experience and intellect technically make you a *******.

Then your also an idiot

Im not caught contradicting myself, I may have been caught by not being as throughal as your dad was with you last night, but Im not a hypocrite.

Yeah, coz you redline ppl for not being 18 and not because they sucked. I think ill start TKing ppl coz i dont like their name. That will make just as much sence. But im sure if i smoke about the same amount weed that are obviously smoking, it will probably make perfect sence

So what gives you the right to insult me, even though I didnt do anything to affect you? Youre a hypocritical dumb ****. Your obvious lacks in comprehension skills are probably to blame for why you still dont get the reasons why I choose to redline a player of young age,

Yeah... Might be coz of my age, or it might be coz im partly jewish...

So youre saying you are retaded because you are jewish? I dont see the logic behind it?

Well you the man here. :laugh:

Hence why Im stepping and youre stepped on :)

Are you Chris's boyfriend?

If I was a phsychologist, I would say your bitterness comes from your experience and inability to move on after being redlined for performing poorly in a videogame. Im sure if more WoW addicts emerge, a clinic will be built near you to help you with your problem. Until then, best of luck.

[Sloi sauce]

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I just had to redline someone from the heli for being a complete hindrance to the team. The poor guy could not TV or pilot in any sense of the words, and yet still found himself repeatedly going for the chopper. Once I finally found another teammate whom I could trust with flying or gunning, I redlined the poor player after asking him to hop out several times: at that point, we got the team back on track and won by 15 tickets... just to show you how close it was.

I'm ABSOLUTELY certain that if I hadn't done this, we would have lost. This isn't necessarily about soloing, I'll admit... but had the other gentleman not been there, I would've gone on to do just the same without him, so it's really all the same.

[imported_kiwi]

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If I make another chopper thread will it be just as long? :p

[G0ggy]

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If I was a phsychologist, I would say your bitterness comes from your experience and inability to move on after being redlined for performing poorly in a videogame. Im sure if more WoW addicts emerge, a clinic will be built near you to help you with your problem. Until then, best of luck.

I like bitter...

You're not a psychologist though, you're just some prune who likes to 'chops' on forums.

[Chris_Redfield]

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I like bitter...

You're not a psychologist though, you're just some prune who likes to bait on forums.

Bitter is good. Bitter means youve been raped enough to know better. Again, I feel sorry for you.

As for baiting, its amusing, and ironic that its coming from you, with your one line sentences obviously written in an attempt to paint yourself as a flametarget. If I didnt know better, Id call you an attentionwh0re.

Have a good day, sir.

[G0ggy]

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Actually I meant bitter as in beer, bitter, wine etc...

I just like to answer what are your pathetic attempts to pass off mindless minor digs as some high brow rhetoric as if you're, in some way, above other people on this forum...

You're, sir, a conceited weasel of a character.

[mcgivrs]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

im a gunner sgt, i cant gun for hell but i do have some flying skill, and i would LOVE to learn to gun, and TV the most as i cant work it out it seems to be a no no for my brain to get it to work on my own, When i seee a chopper on the ground with a pilot, i get into it, and see if the guys in a squad to ask if i can fly and hegun, but you get the " no sir" " bail out" ****. I would love for the pilot to talk to me, Why hell how the hell can i learn if no one is willing to help! even a smiple xfir convo or something to fix me up, but anyway they fly up, ethier jump out of the helo at low altitude and let the helo crash ( on many occasion)

Btw what is redline ? cheers x

[Chris_Redfield]

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I just like to answer what are your pathetic attempts to pass off mindless minor digs as some high brow rhetoric as if you're, in some way, above other people on this forum...

You're, sir, a conceited weasel of a character.

Im sorry, if you lack proper arguments to support your opinion in a matter, you shouldnt be in an argument in the first place. Its that simple. It doesnt make me better as a person, nor you worse as one. But if you bring forward your opinion in a derogatory manner, you should be able to defend it, or at least show reason behind your strong opinion. People in this thread, who oppose soloing, use excuses and arguments that are factually and statisticall shot down. If you cant support your opinion which is based on personal hate anyway, why bother?

Im not a weasel, although I would rank a weasel as a cunning and smart animal. Im just a guy who in this case, has better arguments. If you want to be a flamebait, I would gladly play the game because at this moment, that would entertain me. We can exchange arguments and opinions in a civil manner, or we can do it with dirt and flames. Or we can drop it here and now.

im a gunner sgt, i cant gun for hell but i do have some flying skill, and i would LOVE to learn to gun, and TV the most as i cant work it out it seems to be a no no for my brain to get it to work on my own, When i seee a chopper on the ground with a pilot, i get into it, and see if the guys in a squad to ask if i can fly and hegun, but you get the " no sir" " bail out" ****. I would love for the pilot to talk to me, Why hell how the hell can i learn if no one is willing to help! even a smiple xfir convo or something to fix me up, but anyway they fly up, ethier jump out of the helo at low altitude and let the helo crash ( on many occasion)

Btw what is redline ? cheers x

Go to Youtube.com or video.google.com and use the following searchwords-

"ArmyDr helicopter tutorial", if youre successful, you will find a =F13=ArmyDr helicopter tutorials, there are 4 of them. The last one is labaled "Helicopter Tutorials, the Gunners Seat" or something. This will get you all the basics in gunning. You can also use this forums search function to find detailed information on how to properly use the gunners seat. There are a few EXCELLENT guides in these forums that would help you out a lot. After youve done learning, reading and watching. Go to Single Player or make your own local server, park your helo on the tip of the carrier and start shooting those TV rockets.

It comes down to dedication to the area. If you lack in dedication... well, then you be redlined. Redlining is when someone takes the chopper to the end of the map, lets you die and flies off alone.

[G0ggy]

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There's no arguments to be brought to the table with regards to the soloing discussion, people who like to solo are not going to agree with the people who think it is either not a skill or lacks teamwork, and vice versa.

I do not need your sycophantic sympathy, I just read your comments with a wry turn up of the lip as you interject into almost everyone of your replies a snipe swipe at the person who made the post, then proceed to criticize or insult anyone else who considers you, anything but right.

It's a degree of arrogance that only works on the forums as there is little chance of a satisfactory solution being reached, personally I would like to meet you to see if this online persona reflects the true person, but that will probably never happen. This 'grenade fishing' doesn't bother me in the slightest, so please continue...

[Gun slinger]

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I love this thread!!

It takes me an hour to read all of Chris' posts LOL


but they are worth it