F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Hey Guys,
So we took a long hard look at this issue in relation to what we could try to do in 1.4.

We did some tuning to the J-10. Believe me or not most tuning we did actually made that lil sucker even more lethal (some people may have seen a server named 'J-10 Test' up within the last few weeks). Which brought us to the realization that if we were to do anything drastic to the J-10 it would likley ruin the vehicle unless we spent weeks in review and retuning.

We then reviewed what would be required to adjust the F35. The work and tuning and adjustment that would be required to try and bring the F35 up was roughly equal given the dual function of the F35 engine. I also received a crash course (har har) on hit box construction which helped me realize that this also would not be a simple adjustment and would also require weeks of adjustment and trial-and-error.

Long story short - This dynamic will not be changing in 1.4.

-C

Ah somehow nothing really makes it into this patch
I hope there will be another one adressing all the issues that won't get fixed in 1.4 and not just BF2142, because that would piss me off quite a bit then...

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Hey Guys,
So we took a long hard look at this issue in relation to what we could try to do in 1.4.

We did some tuning to the J-10. Believe me or not most tuning we did actually made that lil sucker even more lethal (some people may have seen a server named 'J-10 Test' up within the last few weeks). Which brought us to the realization that if we were to do anything drastic to the J-10 it would likley ruin the vehicle unless we spent weeks in review and retuning.

We then reviewed what would be required to adjust the F35. The work and tuning and adjustment that would be required to try and bring the F35 up was roughly equal given the dual function of the F35 engine. I also received a crash course (har har) on hit box construction which helped me realize that this also would not be a simple adjustment and would also require weeks of adjustment and trial-and-error.

Long story short - This dynamic will not be changing in 1.4.

-C

Maneuverability-wise, would it help if I gave you the results of the changes I made, in detail? Because I think Im on the right way, I gave F35B just enough boost in its characteristics to not to overpower the MiG, and Im currently working on the J10. Im doing this as a personal experiment anyway, but if youd like me to send you what changes I did, I could do it.

On comment, its sad to see that there will not be change in this in 1.4. I hope that you guys will still adress this issue in the future.

I must say Im very disappointed in this decision.

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Hey Guys,
So we took a long hard look at this issue in relation to what we could try to do in 1.4.

We did some tuning to the J-10. Believe me or not most tuning we did actually made that lil sucker even more lethal (some people may have seen a server named 'J-10 Test' up within the last few weeks). Which brought us to the realization that if we were to do anything drastic to the J-10 it would likley ruin the vehicle unless we spent weeks in review and retuning.

We then reviewed what would be required to adjust the F35. The work and tuning and adjustment that would be required to try and bring the F35 up was roughly equal given the dual function of the F35 engine. I also received a crash course (har har) on hit box construction which helped me realize that this also would not be a simple adjustment and would also require weeks of adjustment and trial-and-error.

Long story short - This dynamic will not be changing in 1.4.

-C

[ponton]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Trying to fix this problem by nerfing the J-10 is a bad idea, I think.

Nerfing anything more in this game is bad idea, IMO.

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

don't have time to read all the posts here, so someone might've mentioned this already...

metallicagtrst has hit the nail on the head here.... the real problem with the J-10 is... [drum roll] ... the F-35!! The J-10, while easier to fly (thanks to the high pitch rate), isn't that much more powerful than the MiG-29 or F-18 (fighting against a J-10 with a F-18 is challenging, but still reasonable). The F-35, on the other hand, is an absolute deathtrap (thanks to its terrible pitch rate and hitbox that looks like it was slapped together in about half a minute).

Trying to fix this problem by nerfing the J-10 is a bad idea, I think. You could decrease the pitch rate, but then you'd have to figure out some other advantage to give it instead--and the F-35 would still be a deathtrap. That said, I think the ideal solution would be to increase the F-35 pitch rate slightly (at the moment it seems to turn as poorly as a bomber... which is just ridiculous in and of itself... I mean come on, it's a FIGHTER people!), and fix the darn hitbox if possible (but fix the pitch rate at the very least). If this is too much work for you EA/Dice boys then please PLEASE at least take metallicagtrst's idea and give it some more afterburner.

BTW, if anyone from EA/Dice actually reads this, I'd like you to know that whether or not you actually bother to fix this issue is guaranteed to have an impact on whether or not I buy any more of your products--ESPECIALLY BF2142.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

no input is 0 throttle

Actually, if youre not using JS throttle and rely on mouse/keyboard or pure keyboard. Or if you have JS set to PERFECT 0 throttle, the reduction in speed is amazingly slow.

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Speed loss is apparent. Thats why its not necessary for jets to come close, with uber-missiles. You slow down, I catch up. And how do you go to 0 throttle with no nozzle movement is beyond me. You can go CLOSE to zero. But in battle, you cant go precisely to 0. Coming from my experience. Youll lever have perfect zero, and most likely youll cross over the 0 point.

no input is 0 throttle

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

lol you dummy, that was meant as a joke, but you ruined it.

Sorry man. Now that you said it, it does look like a good joke. But its a little too subtle. Work on those skills, you J10 noob

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Way to set yourself up there newbie. It gets even funnier on your next line.



Man youre so good. Your skill level is amazing.

Now lets connect the dots. That means. "Me", "J10", "n00bs in F35B", all that I need is the word "carrier". Man, youre so good, Im impressed...

lol you dummy, that was meant as a joke, but you ruined it.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Must be... funny thing, every time I am in a J10, the F35s are only flewn by n00bs...

Way to set yourself up there newbie. It gets even funnier on your next line.

It's sooooo easy n00b... when they're on the runway having 100 kids blocking them so they can't start, bomb the **** out of 'em.

Man youre so good. Your skill level is amazing.

Now lets connect the dots. That means. "Me", "J10", "n00bs in F35B", all that I need is the word "carrier". Man, youre so good, Im impressed...

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Allright, you win. J10 is equal to F35B. Im being killed by a J10 pilot ONLY because hes a good pilot. ONLY.

Must be... funny thing, every time I am in a J10, the F35s are only flewn by n00bs...

Ok, teach me. List your strategies of taking down a J10 pilot. Here and now. Ill listen to you.

It's sooooo easy n00b... when they're on the runway having 100 kids blocking them so they can't start, bomb the **** out of 'em.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Uhh, if you don't go down all the way, and only go to 0 throttle instead of negative, the nozzle doesn't go down.

Speed loss is apparent. Thats why its not necessary for jets to come close, with uber-missiles. You slow down, I catch up. And how do you go to 0 throttle with no nozzle movement is beyond me. You can go CLOSE to zero. But in battle, you cant go precisely to 0. Coming from my experience. Youll lever have perfect zero, and most likely youll cross over the 0 point.

[Xodus]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Keep distance, see you pull up, follow, see you kil throttle (nozzle going down), full lock, you break flares, you cant maneuver out. 2 missiles through flares, 2 missiles after I cut through flares. Easiest kill

Uhh, if you don't go down all the way, and only go to 0 throttle instead of negative, the nozzle doesn't go down.

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

The only way I think is good to beat a j-10 in a f-35 Is follow him with missile locked on but do not fire, wait till he drops his flares then switch to bomb mode(he thinks he's lost you) But follow him in bomb mode and when he levels out and flies straight then switch to missiles and nail him. This as worked heaps of times for me, But I have to fire all 6 because only about 2 usally hit.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Pull, up, Kill throttle, get him in front of you, Machine gun. About 2 or 3 of these, usually 2 for me, He'll be down.

Keep distance, see you pull up, follow, see you kil throttle (nozzle going down), full lock, you break flares, you cant maneuver out. 2 missiles through flares, 2 missiles after I cut through flares. Easiest kill