F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

[Cold Fussion]

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In all reality the F-35 out maneuvers the J10 by about 10 years. ^_^ In game the J10 just turns to sharp.

We all know that.

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

In all reality the F-35 out maneuvers the J10 by about 10 years. ^_^ In game the J10 just turns to sharp.

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They "balance" tanks by making them identical to each other, so why not do the same with jets?

I mainly pilot in operation smokescreen, Migs vs eurofighters, quite even in my opinion, even if the missiles are sometimes super accurate and sometimes useless in both fighters.

[Chris_Redfield]

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I disagree. Perhaps there were folks who didn't bother, but I did. Those who didn't are probably the same ones who now play China side only. It takes skill to cannon, none to missle.

It is also an easy fix. Do you honestly think that the missle issue is ever going to be address after what the DICE guy posted? It's not going to happen if it is a complex fix and from what the guy said it is. Our best bet is something easy. Remove missles or reduce the numbers carried by the J-10. That is also an easy fix.

Me too! But I remember that only every 10th pilot was a semi-serious dogfighter.

[DesertFalcon]

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I dont see why dice cant give all jets the same characteristics.

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No it but kills everything on the ground with such ease that a monkey could do it. Overpowered jets!

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I agree F-35 cant hit the J-10 its crap :P

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Balanced???
It took so long to shoot down another pilot with cannons only pre 1.2 that pilots by unsaid mutual agreement never bothered dogfighting - there was no point!
And the ground troops suffered even more that they currently do - at least jets can be shot down quickly these days

I disagree. Perhaps there were folks who didn't bother, but I did. Those who didn't are probably the same ones who now play China side only. It takes skill to cannon, none to missle.

It is also an easy fix. Do you honestly think that the missle issue is ever going to be address after what the DICE guy posted? It's not going to happen if it is a complex fix and from what the guy said it is. Our best bet is something easy. Remove missles or reduce the numbers carried by the J-10. That is also an easy fix.

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Balanced???
It took so long to shoot down another pilot with cannons only pre 1.2 that pilots by unsaid mutual agreement never bothered dogfighting - there was no point!
And the ground troops suffered even more that they currently do - at least jets can be shot down quickly these days

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Call me crazy but, why not just remove the AA missles from planes entirely? Bump up the ammo load on the J-10 and Mig a bit and call it good? Pre 1.2, people used guns primarily because the missles sucked but things were more balanced. That was when flying was fun and it was more of pilot skill vs pilot skill rather than what plane they were flying.

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Yes, they should address AA again (including the Essex).

AA emplacements should be feared by jets. Right now, they are seen as easy points for jet pilots.

Agreed. Destroying essex AA with guns from a plane has to be one of the easiast things to do. Sure the essex can get off about two or three missles at the plane if it sees it coming. But if it's a J-10 your chances of hitting it are extremely low. I've been able to shoot down J-10's when the pilot throttles down considerably, but when they come in at pretty much full speed forget about it.

The reply from EA DICE about no J-10 adjustment in 1.4 patch basically tells us that the people who could really fix the problem are probably caught up with BF 2142 and wont be available for a while. Just conjecture on my part. :)

I have a thought: an easy temporary fix could be to just slow down the J-10 so the small hitbox is a bit easiar to stay locked-on. How hard could it be to simply lower the max speed of the J-10 about 10 - 20% and to cut the afterburner by 20 - 30%? Does anyone think this would help or is it basically useless?

Also, I think it would help if a planes bomb radar of ground targets turned off when your out of bombs. It shuts off and your forced into missle mode. This would do three interesting things for brief periods of time during the game:

1. It would make it a bit harder to recognize enemy or friendly targets on the ground and increase their survival rate.
2. Enemy jets could detect our missle lock radar more often and know an enemy plane is nearby.
3. Would encourage pilots to return to base more often to replenish bombs.

Yes, I know many pilots have AA locations memorized and we route our flight path to destroy and make them unusable by the enemy, but it still might help the ground folk not get pounded as much.

Just some thoughts, feel free to "shoot me down". :)

- "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."

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youve got a memory like a fish if you cant remember what was wrong with 1.2 missiles

Now that you reminded me so kindly, I guess you are right.
Those missiles were insane!
Perhaps some little adjustment, as to explode on first object they hit should have made them right.

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Do you remember the A2A missiles from 1.2?
What was wrong with them, why they changed it?
What we have now:
F35=mostly hit by missiles,
J10=mostly missed by missiles.
I don’t mind the differences in maneuverability as long as I have working missiles.
One careless J10 pilot should mean one downed J10. This is not true right now, as no matter how careless he is, most missiles are still avoiding the J10.
I'm a fan of improving things, so bring back the good missiles!
Wait, I see why they changed it back! It’s because choppers were too easy to kill with it. We have to come up with an idea to balance this jet-chopper thing if we want better A2A missiles. How about decreasing jet’s armor along with decreasing missile damage, would this do the trick? This change would also increase the apparent power of cannons in dog fighting, without giving jets an advantage against choppers.
What other opponents does a jet have, that can take advantage if jet’s armor is reduced? The answer is: other jets, of course.
The real problem is how to be sure this change is not taken to extreme again, as all the other attempts to change things?

youve got a memory like a fish if you cant remember what was wrong with 1.2 missiles

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Do you remember the A2A missiles from 1.2?
What was wrong with them, why they changed it?
What we have now:
F35=mostly hit by missiles,
J10=mostly missed by missiles.
I don’t mind the differences in maneuverability as long as I have working missiles.
One careless J10 pilot should mean one downed J10. This is not true right now, as no matter how careless he is, most missiles are still avoiding the J10.
I'm a fan of improving things, so bring back the good missiles!
Wait, I see why they changed it back! It’s because choppers were too easy to kill with it. We have to come up with an idea to balance this jet-chopper thing if we want better A2A missiles. How about decreasing jet’s armor along with decreasing missile damage, would this do the trick? This change would also increase the apparent power of cannons in dog fighting, without giving jets an advantage against choppers.
What other opponents does a jet have, that can take advantage if jet’s armor is reduced? The answer is: other jets, of course.
The real problem is how to be sure this change is not taken to extreme again, as all the other attempts to change things?

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I say instead of nerfing the J-10 make the F-35b better. I can pull of amazing scores in the the F-35b even with both J-10's up. The thing is though, everyone knows when an F-35b comes into a dogfight with a J-10 the winners is 85% of the time a J-10 (statistic based of my experience).

It just seems to make more sense to me to supe of the F-35b instead of messing with the J-10. Plain and simple in my own opinion.