F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

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Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

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Allright, you win. J10 is equal to F35B. Im being killed by a J10 pilot ONLY because hes a good pilot. ONLY.



Quote me, directly, that I have said that I cant kill a J10 pilot. Do it. And dont fvcking ignore this.



Ok, teach me. List your strategies of taking down a J10 pilot. Here and now. Ill listen to you.

Im a n00b pilot that just got his frst 10 hours filled. I need your guidance.

Pull, up, Kill throttle, get him in front of you, Machine gun. About 2 or 3 of these, usually 2 for me, He'll be down.

[Chris_Redfield]

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Why are you such a crybaby? can't you handle some disadvantage? You keep saying a good j10 pilot this a, a good j10 pilot that, if it is a good j10 pilot, he'll kill you because he is a good pilot, not because of an uber jet.

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Allright, you win. J10 is equal to F35B. Im being killed by a J10 pilot ONLY because hes a good pilot. ONLY.

Yes the j10 handles better than the f35b, but you can still shoot them down.

Quote me, directly, that I have said that I cant kill a J10 pilot. Do it. And dont fvcking ignore this.

The fact is you are refusing to figure out strategies and instead trying to have the game changed to your petty predilection.

Ok, teach me. List your strategies of taking down a J10 pilot. Here and now. Ill listen to you.

Im a n00b pilot that just got his frst 10 hours filled. I need your guidance.

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Why are you such a crybaby? can't you handle some disadvantage? You keep saying a good j10 pilot this a, a good j10 pilot that, if it is a good j10 pilot, he'll kill you because he is a good pilot, not because of an uber jet.

Yes the j10 handles better than the f35b, but you can still shoot them down. The fact is you are refusing to figure out strategies and instead trying to have the game changed to your petty predilection.

[Chris_Redfield]

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Ooooo I'm so scared, obviously he can't oppose the fact that jets are way too overpowered and easy to use so he resorts to cheap threats!! I've had at least 50% success rate dropping bombs, all you gotta do is fly straight and time it right, simple, and viola! Dead people and armour at flag and ruined game.

Metallica has given you the details of the challenge. Step on it. I want to see you succeed. If you cant, keep your inexperienced mouth shut.

I've gone whole rounds in the jsf on wake, without being shot down, and shot down several j-10s in the same round. Stop crying and play smart.

Ive done the same thing! But what does that prove? Nothing. If the J-10 pilot is good, youre at a considerable disadvantage. Disadvantage that often gets you killed. Hunting F35B with J10 is easy. If youre good enough the skill level of opposition doesnt matter. In F35B vs J10 is ALL about oppositions skill level. Play smart? WTF are you on drugs? F35B only has one trick and its surprise attack! I personally check my rear every 5-10 second, so go ahead and try to surprise me .

Heres a fine example of how I fly. With F35B I fly in bomb mode, in MiG or J10 I fly in missile mode. And Im a very experienced pilot.

@ Chris: If you know the j-10 can outmanuever you in the F-35b, don't get into a turning fight with them. It's sooo simple, know your disadvantages, and don't let the enemy use them against you.

Its like preaching to the pope, which is retarded, considering Ive been telling everyone the same thing. Right now, J10 exceeds F35B in EVERY aspect, with an exception, which is response lag, which isnt big. This creates an environment where the outcome of dogfight relies solely on how well can F35B pilot surprise the J10 pilot. Thats it. IF however, the F35B is being chased, it depends on how INEXPERIENCED the J10 pilot is. Because you only have one chance, those are flares. Opposing jet is superior. So if the pilot is any good, youre toast.

Balanced or not, it is better that way, because it is so much more rewarding to use tactics effectively than to just be able to shoot everyone down without any real thought.

You mean like in J10? So you agree is overpowered? So why the hell are you playing the daddy here and teaching pilots how to fly? Were talking about aircraft inbalance here, not pilots skill level. Current aircraft balance for me gives me the opportunity to fly the MiG and J10 in missile mode with no threat, no thought and no effort. I LOVE the challenge, which is why I almost always why the F35B. Go check my aircraft balancing post, which is a few pages back. Youll see that the changes I propose are there to not to equalize the jets, but to make their strenghts and weaknesses apparent, while giving inferior fighter jets a better chance at dogfights. Im talking about MINIMUM changes to improve differences.

Quit trying to mold the game to your wants, a lot of people like it the way it is, and enjoy having to think a little bit.

And by that you surely mean the J10 pilots and shot down F35B pilots.

On a side note: Saying that planes are overpowered and need to be toned down is ridiculous. It's airpower, it is supposed to be overpowered, it would be retarded if planes couldn't bomb bases or destroy vehicles. Get over it you whiny bitches.

I could have a long big post to back this up, but I know the Karkand newbies would just shut the fvck up, go to another topic and whine about the same stuff again....

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

I've gone whole rounds in the jsf on wake, without being shot down, and shot down several j-10s in the same round. Stop crying and play smart.

@ Chris: If you know the j-10 can outmanuever you in the F-35b, don't get into a turning fight with them. It's sooo simple, know your disadvantages, and don't let the enemy use them against you.

Balanced or not, it is better that way, because it is so much more rewarding to use tactics effectively than to just be able to shoot everyone down without any real thought.

Quit trying to mold the game to your wants, a lot of people like it the way it is, and enjoy having to think a little bit.

On a side note: Saying that planes are overpowered and need to be toned down is ridiculous. It's airpower, it is supposed to be overpowered, it would be retarded if planes couldn't bomb bases or destroy vehicles. Get over it you whiny bitches.

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

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Wow too many pissed off ground pounders who have a HIGHLY distorted view on jets are in here.

PLEASE.... get at least 50 hours in a jet before you start talking about how it's "too easy" to do this and that.. Maybe if you got into the other persons shoes, you would realise, to be that efficient in the air, is not easy... ESPECIALLY in the JSF.

ANYONE who says aircraft is balanced, needs to just spend 5 ****ing seconds in a JSF (F-35B).





Now don't you all get me wrong... I can fight fine in the crappy jet, but I am at such a high disadvantage, it is crazy. I have a 12+ K/D ratio with 25K+ kills, and 200+ hours in the jet, and about 190 of those hours being in the JSF. Trust me, I have alot of experience with the jet.. Sure there are alot of people with a ton more experience, but I am just telling you.. it is NOT balanced.. I'm showing you that, sure, I may have a decent score and it's still in the JSF, BUT.... I am at such a crazy disadvantage.. If I weren't I am confident I would have a 30+ K/D ratio... EASY.

I can tell you this... I don't feel like explaining it. I will let the game explain it for you.




OK... get FRAPS... if you don't have it, me or chris redfield will give it to you. Spend 2 minutes in a JSF WITHOUT DYING, and kill at least one J-10. If you can manage to bomb armor with the "crazy nukes", and rack up over 10 kills on the side of hunting down that J-10, and still staying alive in 2 minutes, OK then I will admit that aircraft is overpowered and jets are balanced... (LOL.... yeah RIGHT!).

Just by the way you speak of jets I can tell you have little to no experience in them.

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Ooooo I'm so scared, obviously he can't oppose the fact that jets are way too overpowered and easy to use so he resorts to cheap threats!! I've had at least 50% success rate dropping bombs, all you gotta do is fly straight and time it right, simple, and viola! Dead people and armour at flag and ruined game.

[Xodus]

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It's easy to out run a j10 in an f35B if you know what your doing, get near the roof, go to full reverse throttle, go 0 throttle, tumbel 100 feet, full forward throttle w/ afterburners, pull up, shoot j10 with machine guns. Also, the F35B can easily get to 2500 no problem.

[Chris_Redfield]

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so what, the j-10 is a better plane in game than the f-35b, what's the big deal

I´ll tell you.

you can sneak in behind them all the same, and if you are smart, you can shoot them down or get away if you miss.[/quote]

Not if theres me in the J10, let me make this clear for you. I look behind every 5-10 seconds, I use free chase cam mode so it doesnt matter which angle you choose. I KNOW youll be there, and theres NO way you, in the F35B will ever stay with me because I know how to evade people using free chase cam modes.

The F-35b is my favorite plane in the game, if you know you are at a disadvantage you should know not to engage.

You know, thats bull. Thats just leading to status quo in dogfights as pre-1.2 where pilots silently agreed to not to engage each other and just bomb-race. F35B is a fighter. Fight damnit! But in order to fight, I propose a change is in order to give you a chance to actually come out as a winner if you do fight.

There are also ways to shake off j-10s, but it is usually best to just avoid them if you are not in a good position to attack. It's a matter of using your brain.

Youre describing what a bomber would do, not what a fighter should do.

Let me make this clear to you, in J10 vs F35B the brains do NO matter, what matters is the pilot behind both planes. If the J10 has a good one, F35B pilot IS screwed, no questions there.

ye tbh if u are a skilled 'aviator' then the F-35b is exactly the same as the J-10 and should be kept the same

I agree, f*ck it, Vodnik is the same as M1A2 "Abrams" if theres a skilled driver in the Vodnik! Because, you know... Vodnik makes an excellent anti-armor weapon in the hands of a good driver, and Im not talking about Jihaad Jeeps. Im talking about raw skills in driving around the tank to screw with Abrams drivers vision, driving him insane and watching them "esshshshpooode!". Nonsense, isnt it?

And Roger, I thought I was pretty obvious there.

Nope the Anti AA needs to be beefed up. Jets are way overpowered, everyone tries to hog them and it takes NO skill whatsoever to drop 3-4 nukes to wipe out an entire flag area for 3-4 kills. NO skill so these pilots are getting points for doing nothing!

I CHALLENGE YOU. I challenge you to create a video of you dropping bombs on flags AND armor. If you get at least 30% success rate, I will agree that piloting takes no skills, and then I will still challenge you for a 1 vs 1 dogfight against me. Then I will stuff these words back into your mouth. How does that sound?

[Roger Smith]

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Its even worse thou when you see Anti Tank ppl use hacks so that they kill a tank in 1-2 rockets!

lol, hit the tank in the front or the back of the treds.

lets take away their "teampoints" so they become teamplayers and revive and heal for the sake of goodness!

you are on crack or sarcastic

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ye tbh if u are a skilled 'aviator' then the F-35b is exactly the same as the J-10 and should be kept the same

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Nope the Anti AA needs to be beefed up. Jets are way overpowered, everyone tries to hog them and it takes NO skill whatsoever to drop 3-4 nukes to wipe out an entire flag area for 3-4 kills. NO skill so these pilots are getting points for doing nothing!

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so what, the j-10 is a better plane in game than the f-35b, what's the big deal, you can sneak in behind them all the same, and if you are smart, you can shoot them down or get away if you miss. The F-35b is my favorite plane in the game, if you know you are at a disadvantage you should know not to engage. There are also ways to shake off j-10s, but it is usually best to just avoid them if you are not in a good position to attack. It's a matter of using your brain.

[Chris_Redfield]

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I suspect he's being sarcastic, either way, why don't you figure out how to shoot down j-10s. I can usually shoot them down, because I've figured out strategies to shoot them down. Seriously, just figure it out, adapt to the game, the game doesn't have to adapt to you.

If its the type of jet that pilots uses that dictates the outcome of the engagement, we have a problem. If the number of jets is balanced (ie. Oman, one bomber+one fighter vs 2 fighters) then things are fine. Or, like in OCS, we have 2 fighters with almost equal ATA capabilities. However, set a J10 against F35B on 1 vs 1 and you know who will most likely won. Almost the same deal with the MiG.

Unless youre freaking lucky, have a set of flares and boost up to stratosphere, I WILL get you, and you will not be able to shake me (If im in the MiG or J10 and youre in F35B), nor lose me. And even if you plan to make the strato-run, and waste the flares. I will shoot off all 6 missiles through the flares and at least one will hit you very, very likely...

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I suspect he's being sarcastic, either way, why don't you figure out how to shoot down j-10s. I can usually shoot them down, because I've figured out strategies to shoot them down. Seriously, just figure it out, adapt to the game, the game doesn't have to adapt to you.