No Vehicle option details

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Good feedback all around guys.

I may be way off base here but please let me know if this solution is a nicer fit to what everyone seems to be requesting:

1. Leave current option
2. Add new server option that is also no vehicles but does not have the modified settings for soldiers.

Are you saying that one of these two are the available options, or that they could both be employed? If your saying the latter, i assume there would be some catch (like for example number 2. would force the game to be unranked)

If not, I would prefer to see option 2.

Re: No Vehicle option details

Good feedback all around guys.

I may be way off base here but please let me know if this solution is a nicer fit to what everyone seems to be requesting:

1. Leave current option
2. Add new server option that is also no vehicles but does not have the modified settings for soldiers.


The debate on whether to include FAV vehicles is something I am really eager to see. I know its pretty much impossible to have a full opinion when most of it is roughly "I think having FAV's would help this option", but any feedback is good feedback.

Also for the bug fix vs new design implementation. It should be noted that the new vehicles setup is something that falls almost entirely onto a designers work load and not a programmers (bug fixer) work load. So when things like this come around its not at the cost of time spent bug fixing.

Sorry to digress there but please keep the quality feedback rolling its very helpful.

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Infantry only mode reminds me of PRMM :p .

I think the mode is great, and unlike others I think the changes to health etc. are good, one of the main reasons some people get frustrated with PRMM is because you can be killed in 1-3 shots and then have to wait 30 seconds untill someone revives you or you spawn, on top of that there a penalty time (+1 second for every death).

However I would have a look at possibly adding light transport vehicles, most of the maps in BF2 are not really suited for infantry only as there to big and open (muttrah city is an example of probably the only map in PRMM that doesn't have the need for vehicles (except little birds, BH & ribs for transport and BH for cover) as its quite dense, its perfect for infantry only battles.)

I also think $kelet0r made a very good point, people don't want pea shooters, if you have to nerf, nerf up as it keeps everyone happy.

[imported_Zach]

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I'm with everyone else on this. Jeeps only--change nothing else. Well, change one thing: vehicle collision damage. (They nerfed it once, so they can do it again.)

Ideally (for me), they'd make it so that infantry would just be pushed (and maybe even flung), but not killed. Can imagine with all those jeeps how everyone will just be racing around in them running everyone over? *shudder*

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I think if you just leave everything as it is, take out arty, armour, planes and helis it'll all be fine. You need some vehicles to keep all the player classes balanced and in play so keep the heavy and light jeeps (it also means it won't take days for you to walk across a 32/64 player map!). Please don't touch the hit points!

EDIT: Yeah, MooneyBravo's idea is pretty good! Like that a lot!

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Re: 1.4 Feedback and Error Reporting:

Please reconsider 'infantry mode'. All that was needed was a mode that did the following:

* Replace Tank spawns with Light Jeeps
* Replace APC/Mobile AA vehicle spawns with Heavy Jeeps
* Remove Attack/Bombing Jet Aircraft
* Replace Assault Helicopter spawns with Transport or Scout Helicopters
* Remove Commander Artillery

That's it. Add this option for each map for whatever you want to call it and it would add new fun. We appreciate you releasing the patch to the public in this BETA. This shows that you are listening to our concerns.

(tweaked Harmor's post to reflect my own feedback(I liked the style))
Mooney Bravo

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Please reconsider 'infantry mode'. All that was needed was a mode that did the following:

• Replace Tanks/APCs spawns with Heavy Jeeps
• Replace AA vehicle spawns with Light Jeeps
• Remove Jets
• Replace Attack Helicopters spawns with Transport Helicopters (i.e. USMC Wake Island 2007 carrier would now have 3 Blackhawks)

That's it. Add this option for each map for whatever you want to call it and it would add new fun.

I think with all the changes made in the 'infantry mode' currently that its prone to major balance issues. Certain classes, like Medic, are godly while other classes like Engineer become useless.

With all due respect, please, please reconsider the current implementation of 'infantry mode'.

We appreciate you releasing the patch to the public in this BETA. This shows that you are listening to our concerns.


To a solid 1.4 patch.

Harmor

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1) It's a different game mode.
2) There will be plenty of servers that run BF2 in normal conquest mode w/vehicles
3) You don't have to play the mode.

I don't get why you people are whining. If you don't like it, don't play it. Stick to what you like, your vehicles. All you people that are complaining are people that aren't going to play infantry only. Well, good for you then. Why are you whining about something that won't even affect you? I would like to know what's going on in your heads, seriously. Half of you should be punched for being morons.

Well said

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I would venture to say that about 90% of all BF2 players actually ENJOY the game that they are playing. I can't even think about whats going through ur head as u play the game...ur gamers...not beta testers..when u bring up the server screen...do u say "hmm...which server will i go into today?" or "what the hell is my refresh button...i must complain to forums". Jebus christ...u guys give me a headache. Its BF2, its a game, its life, deal with it.

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1) It's a different game mode.
2) There will be plenty of servers that run BF2 in normal conquest mode w/vehicles
3) You don't have to play the mode.

I don't get why you people are whining. If you don't like it, don't play it. Stick to what you like, your vehicles. All you people that are complaining are people that aren't going to play infantry only. Well, good for you then. Why are you whining about something that won't even affect you? I would like to know what's going on in your heads, seriously. Half of you should be punched for being morons.

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It is the opposite of that. Because you don"t like the bf2 gameplay you dont have to attemp to ruin it for everyone else that enjoy the game has it is, with vehicles, and the majority of the comunity always wants bug fixes and not more nerfing and changin of the game. People like the game has it is and thats why they bought it. They dindt buy a game based on vehicles and a gameplay to at the end of it, getting that changed. the j10 - f35 problem was in one of the patches. what about when they put the crazy AA? What about 1.3. The worst patch of them all. Bf2 consume more memory,have less fps , server crashes , client crashes etc. And know this. PAtch 1.5 would be like 600MB and have fixes for 1.4 patch and bring new bugs so wait for 1.6 700MB. Hope that for christams they hit the 1 gb patch. That would be a record. Is the new bussines. Buy a game today. Get the finish version in a year or two.

The hope for bug fixes only is gone. This beta thing was for fixing new content not the bugs. Dice already know of the bugs reading in all the forums. This beta was for putting this infantry only mode.

Bf2142 would be the same thing when they start making patches. More bugs and nerfing instead of fixing.

How about a BUGS FIX ONLY MODE for dice canada when making a patch? Please EA enable this before DICE kills bf2.

What the f***？ Ur calling urself "everyone else" then who the hell are we? The people who want the IO? U can't put ur own opinion and turn it into the interests of over 750,000 players. What the hell is wrong with u?

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dice why do u have to try and be so freakign complex and screw things up

SIMPLE:

add toggle server options commander/on off artillery on /off

CARS on/off


DONE


so messing the game around its fine we asked for no cars not freaking 30 second respawn and all that crap i play fine on infantry servers right now thanks i dont need anything else except for you to remove cars thats IT.

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GG to DICE and especially Colin for making their presence more known and communicating better with the community. Thanks Colin.

Ill echo that sentiment.

[Dangerdog]

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*snip*

If I wanted to play "infantry only mode" I'd go play Counterstrike. Better engine, better netcode, better weapon balance, better hit detection. I'm sorry but if you want a no-infantry server, make some infantry only maps. Once you stray in to infantry only territory, you lose your defining characteristic. I'm well aware it's optional. But flat out tons of these Karkand 24/7 will be going infantry only to further help pad stats. Now medic squads will be virtually invincible without a skilled APC or tank driver to catch them out in the open and cut them down. Another issue is of course, player statistics. Now you'll only see people cramming on to medic only servers for stat padding. Why introduce this, when this is almost exactly what you've been banning for on knife and pistol servers?

Planewhore, please come down out of the sky. See those little guys running around down there that you're dropping your bombs on, they're called infantry and Battlefield 2 is a good 80% about squad on squad infantry combat. I know it's not your cup of tea to pick up a rifle and trudge across the map *gasp* on foot to the next flag, but someone has to do it. Fear not, I’m sure you would still have plenty of people to drop your bombs on even if DICE made a true version of "Infantry Orientated" for BF2.

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People have asked for infantry only so they got it, but we didn't get it how we envisaged, that is just infantry only, no vehicles atleast no tanks/APC's, no arty but nobody asked for messing with hp, or weapon damage, or spawn times.

Light vehicles for transport I wouldn't have a prob with.

Remember this is optional people and the people who wanna play IO and asked for it they can play it, remember this is a good thing, less noobs trying to use vehicles who never could anyway, gives everyone else who is not playing infantry only the chance to use vehicles and those who can't use them or don't want to can stick to IO.

Its a step in the right direction but nobody asked for it to be implemented this way. Just make it the same as it is but without vehicles, no messing with the weapon damage, hp, or spawn times. If you don't like IO don't play it, its really that simple.

Remember also its a beta and they are asking for our opinion so this is not set in stone.

GG to DICE and especially Colin for making their presence more known and communicating better with the community. Thanks Colin.