Why do the guns suck so bad??

[Blackhearted]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

O ok cool then.

ah, because his posts make sense otherwise?

i made the exact same point you did.
anyone that thinks their kill:death ratio would improve if the weapons would be made more accurate isnt considering the fact that everyone would be armed with the same weapons.
again, the only people that would benefit from an increase in weapon accuracy are noobs. thank you inf4my for further reinforcing that fact.

now im off to play BF2 as opposed to arguing in a forum with a 12-year old. if you think the weapons in BF2 need accuracy improvements, go play CS. changes catering to the whims of whining noobs like you ruin the game for the rest of us.

[hipyo]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

ummm if this game is so unrealistic and boring and that all the weapons suck y are there so many ppl playing it demo and full....?

[JarEme]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

...because it is a level playing field, and everyone has access to the same weapons.

Except, of course, that this isn't true.

*glares at the G36E users*

Anyway, it's lame the number of times a fight seems to come down to who's random cone of fire manages to get the right spot first. If they tighten it up, it's about who can aim. That's good, since it should be skill not luck that drives things.

This is also what inf4my meant by his KD going up and he's right about it too (if he can aim). I see he's explained it better than this short blurb though.

[inf4my]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

ah, because his posts make sense otherwise?

i made the exact same point you did.
anyone that thinks their kill:death ratio would improve if the weapons would be made more accurate isnt considering the fact that everyone would be armed with the same weapons.
again, the only people that would benefit from an increase in weapon accuracy are noobs. thank you inf4my for further reinforcing that fact.

now im off to play BF2 as opposed to arguing in a forum with a 12-year old. if you think the weapons in BF2 need accuracy improvements, go play CS. changes catering to the whims of whining noobs like you ruin the game for the rest of us.

Way to completely ignore everything I wrote. Come play me 1v1 in a Railgun only server and watch how I beat you 100 to -10. Accurate weapons are harder to use against people who also have accurate weapons. If every player could shoot arty strikes out of their ass, how hard would it be to get kills? Think about that. Arty, although devasting, is the most INNACCURATE weapon in the game. If everyone had unlimited arty, then it would a bunch of people arty spamming everywhere, and there would be no such thing as skill.

Now imagine there was ONLY sniper rifles, the most accurate weapon. You really think noobs would stand a chance? Give me a break dude. The more accurate the weapon, the more skill it takes to MASTER, and the easier it is to get owned by people who are better with it than you are.

[WarGimp]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Have you ever consitered that ramping down the skill gap is exactly what they were going for?

The game is made for the masses, not a small group of hardcore fans. Decreasing the skillgap makes it more aprouchable for noobies and noobies are the life's bloody of a good, marketable game. Maybe that doesn't apeal to you, but oh well. There's other games you could be playing.

FYI, a perfect example of the marketability of high skill gap games is one of my favorite franchises of all time... Tribes. That game was hell for noobs. Hard to hit anything with or without the hitscanning sniper rifle simply beacause everything moved so damned fast. It took some major skill development before you could play as anything more than a walking (er, jetpacking) target. The hardcores loved it and the community was very serious about it's skills.

However, it preformed abysmally in the market. Noobs would play the demo, get owned up one side and down the other, say "fark this" and never bought the game. I can understand why.

[inf4my]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Have you ever consitered that ramping down the skill gap is exactly what they were going for?

The game is made for the masses, not a small group of hardcore fans. Decreasing the skillgap makes it more aprouchable for noobies and noobies are the life's bloody of a good, marketable game. Maybe that doesn't apeal to you, but oh well. There's other games you could be playing.

FYI, a perfect example of the marketability of high skill gap games is one of my favorite franchises of all time... Tribes. That game was hell for noobs. Hard to hit anything with or without the hitscanning sniper rifle simply beacause everything moved so damned fast. It took some major skill development before you could play as anything more than a walking (er, jetpacking) target. The hardcores loved it and the community was very serious about it's skills.

However, it preformed abysmally in the market. Noobs would play the demo, get owned up one side and down the other, say "fark this" and never bought the game. I can understand why.

It's so interesting that you brought that up because guess what Wargimp... I played Tribes competitively for 4 years, and I still play it to this day. It is where I grew up in the world of gaming.

Not only did I play it, but go look up the name |5150|ReaListik and read what people have to say about me.

Knowing where I came from, maybe now you can see why I'm so f*cking frustrated by this noob friendly bs.

[WarGimp]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Yeah... you're tone definatly smacks of 5150 elitist BS.
That admition definatly didn't do much to impress me. If 5150 didn't have such a strong voice in the Tribes community, maybe the franchise could have been salvaged.

Noob unfriendly games don't sell.
Making Tribes the realm of leet or nothing killed it.

BTW, this isn't TW.
Save the wacktarding for there.

[inf4my]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Tribes flourished for years and was arguably the most competitive and tight knit community that ever existed in gaming, so take your head out of your ass.

T1 players didn't WANT the game to sell, because that would have ruined it. If you knew what it felt like to be better than everyone else at a game that actually requires practice, then you'd understand where I'm coming from.

[sarb]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

ya, ur right, the guns do suck.

thats why i run around just punching people instead.

[/sarcasim]

[Six.]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

I fired 1 shot with the MG36 without the sight... it went... ----------------------> over there...

The initial shot from any gun should at least be ON TARGET. I really don't like this randomized accuracy that they've emulated from CounterStrike. If the gun recoils, then the gun recoils, a line of motion should follow, and THAT's where the bullets should go. Not when I fire- and the bullet comes out sideways from the barrel. It can be very frustrating- when I have my gun pointed at the guy at point blank range- I empty my clip on him and I only got about 4 hits.

[WarGimp]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Tribes flourished for years and was arguably the most competitive and tight knit community that ever existed in gaming, so take your head out of your ass.

And now it's dead.
What does that tell you?
Why exactly would any company want to do that to themselves?

T1 players didn't WANT the game to sell, because that would have ruined it. If you knew what it felt like to be better than everyone else at a game that actually requires practice, then you'd understand where I'm coming from.

Ah... it's a game. It's ONLY a game.
Building up ego over a game is... um... kinda sad really.

I played the hell outta tribes because it was fun. Unfortuntaly, it was destroyed by the attitude you are expressing.

BTW, I have a wrack of martial arts trophies sitting back at my parent's place. I do know what it feels like to be a winner in a comp. I just prefer to have that feeling based on something real.

[FierceTeapot]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Ah... it's a game. It's ONLY a game.

so err... how about you post less on these forums then?

you do seem to get ever so wound up about "ONLY a game".

[JarEme]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Ahem.

[inf4my]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

so err... how about you post less on these forums then?

you do seem to get ever so wound up about "ONLY a game".

Because you see he's the type of player that secretly wishes he was god-like at games, but can't seem to attain that level of skill, so instead he hides under the guise of playing for "fun", and assumes that anyone who is actually good must be a big time nerd/loser.

Don't start assuming things about my real life Wargimp, because I'll make you look like a complete idiot. You don't know sh*t about me.

[WarGimp]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

so err... how about you post less on these forums then?

you do seem to get ever so wound up about "ONLY a game".

'cause I'm spending too much damned time stuck in front of my computer while not being able to play or escape. Job related issue.

Also, I'm very interested in both game mechanics and communities.
Again, Job related.