Why do the guns suck so bad??

[cheesewz]

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You guys have just been playing this game for too long and you are used to it.

I felt exactly the same way when I started playing BF2. Extreme frustration. It seemed harder to hit anything than BF 1942. Part of it is difference in accuracy and part of it is body armor. You might notice that it takes more to kill an armored dude than one without. It makes it feel less accurate. I even felt that way about single player at first, like the bots were great marksman, but I couldn't hit anything. Pre 1.2 patch, when there were still a ton of people b-hopping around like little monkeys and dolphin-diving, it was even worse online. But after playing for awhile I've figured out things to improve my accuracy. Shorter bursts (not single shot) from the machine guns. Aiming towards the lower torso to allow for upward drift of the burst. And crouching, not proning. Prone is more accurate, but the patch made it take longer to get up. As you start to get unlocks, you'll also see that the unlock weapons seem to be better (usually). If you're doing single player, there are things you can do to have all of the unlocks. Play around with them and you'll see what I mean. After playing online for a few months, if I play single player I absolutely own the bots on every map (20-30 KPD). In that time it isn't that the bots have gotten worse, it's that I've gotten better. I'm sure that a certain amount of my perception is "getting used to it" as you say. If you stick with it and play awhile you'll get used to it too.

[ActiveMatx]

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excellent post! I tottaly agree with the author. Guns should go where you point!

[[2bit]Modmaven]

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Here is a game that much more real to life

www.americasarmy.com

The best thing... it is free!!

I played america's army for a bit, but found that it is too real. As soon as you hear any guns firing at all, you're dead. End of story.

The thing is to provide balance. Sure, the M95 sniper rifle, should insta kill anyone. But if it did, everyone would carry that around and have snipe wars. NOT fun.

This balance thing though is across the board. They made the AA beter in this new patch, but it take 3 stingers to take out a healthy chopper (hence a reload). The APC's should be toast in one hit from a tank missile, but no they gave at least a fighting chance. Balance my friend!

[l=lCoBrAl=l]

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Good points that the original poster said. Exactly the way I feel, only he put them into words.

[SK]

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I think the whole accuracy system of BF2 is sound. When used right nearly all guns are capable of successfully killing the enemy, even if there obviously are few issues (current PKM too powerfull etc.).
BF2´s system effectively limits the range on many weapons, which is good for gameplay. Even if you got LOS on an enemy 400 meters away you can´t just cap him with your MP5. Would the guns be dead on accurate we´d see much more lame sniping (and aimbots probably).
I take the bullets impacting into a wall beside me and me being able to jump for cover (cause an enemy started firing at me from too far away and/or with the wrong gun) anyday over dead on accurate twitch counter strike gameplay.

[subzero nautica]

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This balance thing though is across the board. They made the AA beter in this new patch, but it take 3 stingers to take out a healthy chopper (hence a reload). The APC's should be toast in one hit from a tank missile, but no they gave at least a fighting chance. Balance my friend!

Almost balanced....

Yeah it may take 3 AA Missiles to down a chopper, but the chopper easily kills the unarmored AA person (machinegun or missile).

So the AA person is still outpowered over the choppers. Also they may have improved the AA, but the chopper guns on Vanilla BF are overpowering. I have played Sharqi maps where the chopper gunner scored 300 points in one round because he was dominating the only spawn point left for the USMC.

[imported_Phenomenomenon]

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I'm tired of the OP.



BRIPS there has been a lot of polite helpful responses to your post, to which you seem to respond to with an angry and rude tone. You seem very upset. Since this game requires patience and finesse maybe it is best that you seem to find yourself on the way out.

Regardless of your impressions of gun accuracy it's a level field of play. So all things being equal, why do some people excel over others? Some do have better accuracy than others. So, there is skill, not just luck involved. If it is not fun for you to try to shoot these guns as they are, fine. No one is trying to keep you here. Good bye and Good luck.

You know there was a Demo out for this game? You could have downloaded that and that would have saved us all some grief.

[ACE4U]

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excellent post! I tottaly agree with the author. Guns should go where you point!

What game are you playing. After the 1.2 patch, I have no problem aiming and killing anyone. Once I see red...they are dead. Before the patch, the support kit was awful. I could not kill someone 50 feet away, Now :ar15: =:dead:

It takes some skill to aim the weapon and kill a target. I am a soldier in the US. army and have fired a m-16, a saw, m-60, LAW, M204 and you know what, it takes practice to fire it and to become a good shot. As for BF2, it is not real life, but it pretty darn close so stop whinning and enjoy the carnage. Why bother post such such and just stop playing the game?:hmm:

[193d DCAT1]

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BRIPS is right, I fired up BF1942 not so long ago and the rifles are way more accurate. I was amazed at the hits I was registering at long distance. I love BF2 and think the gameplay and balance are good, but the BF1942 guns do seem to have better accuracy.

[imported_Phenomenomenon]

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BRIPS is right, I fired up BF1942 not so long ago and the rifles are way more accurate. I was amazed at the hits I was registering at long distance. I love BF2 and think the gameplay and balance are good, but the BF1942 guns do seem to have better accuracy.

Fine he's right.... So I'll go over to the BF1942 forum and bitch about how the guns are too accurate and screw up game play.

The games are what they are. But for him to come over here and carry his bitching attitude over to people that were trying to give him a hand is pathetic. I say shove off.

[imported_bigpappa]

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I've played and enjoyed every version of Battlefield. I played 1942 and all of it's expansion packs. I played most of the mods including Desert Combat and my personal favorite, Eve of Destruction. I also played alot of Battlefield Vietnam.

Until a couple of weeks ago, I hadn't played any new PC games for a couple years because I had an old PC. About 3 weeks ago I built a brand new gaming PC. I wanted to be able to play all the latest games with full video settings. But the one game I had in mind most when building my PC was BF2! I love the format of the battlefield games and looked forward to playing with some spectacular graphics.

So....I started playing BF2 3 weeks ago. It LOOKS awesome. I love some of the new gameplay features like sprinting and the commander mode. Great job on those DICE!

But....WHY DO THE GUNS SUCK SO BAD? I couldn't believe how ineffective ALL of the guns in this game are. The guns were more effective in EVERY version and mod of battlefield I've ever played before. BF2 guns spray so much it looks like you are throwing a handful of rocks at any target over 15 ft away. HINT: People can run and jump and go prone like a bunch of monkeys because you've ruined the guns.

If you were in a modern war and there were a bunch of bad guys down the street, would you run across the street to the other side? No, because they would shoot and kill you. In this game you can because you know that over 50 ft. there's almost no chance that guy is going to kill you.

I've always enjoyed using infantry combat tactics. In this game the element of surprise or superior movement is ruined because the "victim" always has a chance to retalitate due to the worthless guns in this game. Why be patient and flank the enemy line? Since you can't be effective with a gun you will be killed soon after you show yourself anyways.

DICE, please drastically reduce the spray on the guns. It completely ruins the infantry combat portion of the game...which IMO, should be the best part of your game. There are only so many vehicles on any map. It should be still be a fun game if all you have is a gun and your wits. As it is now, you are just a victim for a plane or armor whore. And if you do manage to get involved with infantry combat the rediculous spray of the guns makes your life short regardless of skill level.

If you can unload a clip into a guy's chest before he sees you and he can just turn around kill you instantly with a lucky shot to the head then there is a MAJOR problem with the game.

When a Operation Clean Sweep copilot can just push a button and register all opposing armor useless, there is a MAJOR problem with the game.

The problem? IT'S NOT FUN.

As a faithful Battlefield player I am totally disappointed with BF2. DICE forgot the most important gameplay element of all......FUN

To other Battlefield players: are there any games or devolopers out there that actually get it? I'm looking for a FUN battlefield type of game to play on my brand new rig. Oh, I tried CS Source and it is more fun than BF2. But I miss the wide open Battlefield format. Any suggestions?

maybe its the user...go play halo for more practice

[FierceTeapot]

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i see his point. I played 1942 recently and other than the incredibly slow tank combat, I find it a better game. I find I don't feel anger at the game if i get owned, merelt myself. BF42 infantry gameplay is so much better than BF2.

[=50K= Karesk]

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Whatever dude. I can handle realistic bullet deviation...like in all of the other battlefield games...BF2 is unrealistic and makes tactical infantry assaults a contest of rock chuckers. Who will be the lucky one who gets his rock to hit head? GO!

It's strange that people complain that the PKM is too accurate (I am not stating this as my personal opinion) after playing this game from the beginning and *you* are complaining that they are too innaccurate after about 5 minutes.

If guns were as accurate as you wanted to be, the sniper class would be useless. No body armour combined with the limitations of view distance compared to body armour and extremely accurate automatic weapons would make them obsolete!

A contest of rock chuckers? The first one to win in almost all the games I have played use excessive numbers of grenades, sniper rifles or the PKM, the accuracy of which would be much more to your liking.

And in my experience, it's only bots that crouch before having this stoning contest you keep alluding to.

[Verzili]

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Almost balanced....

Yeah it may take 3 AA Missiles to down a chopper, but the chopper easily kills the unarmored AA person (machinegun or missile).

So the AA person is still outpowered over the choppers. Also they may have improved the AA, but the chopper guns on Vanilla BF are overpowering. I have played Sharqi maps where the chopper gunner scored 300 points in one round because he was dominating the only spawn point left for the USMC.

who cares about the AA person what can a chopper do when he got his sight on a AA turet and im hiding looking trough my m95 scope pop,dead gunner,pop dead pilot,or pop dead pilot,followed by exploding heli + 1 gunner.

agh the balance is restored.

[cemmyz]

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As someone who CAN shoot the nuts off a gnat at 300mm (not blowing my own horn *toot toot* ) I've found that when firing my SA80 on auto during live attacks (ie not static ranges) its actually supprising hard to hit a prone target at 20feet! Also a fast moving target crossing a road is hard to hit with anything other then a machine gun WITH a gunner actually awake and alert!

Nothing wrong with the accuracy in this game, single shot on assault weapons is spot on. PDWs, sub machine guns often only have an effective range of 100m or so.

As with the damage.... well 5.56 aint that hot you know, its designed more to 'tumble' inside the body when it hits something hard (like bone) to cause its damage however lacks the punch to put someone down with one hit so to speak and if you've read your war stories properly people have taken 12 or so hits and still been able to get up and run!


Plus already mentioned... its a GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if all the weapons were laser accurate then (including the total lack of realism) a few select players with fast reactions would simply own everyone, at least having some inconsistancy takes them down a peg :p