Why do the guns suck so bad??

[Blackhearted]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Because you see he's the type of player that secretly wishes he was god-like at games, but can't seem to attain that level of skill, so instead he hides under the guise of playing for "fun", and assumes that anyone who is actually good must be a big time nerd/loser.

Don't start assuming things about my real life Wargimp, because I'll make you look like a complete idiot. You don't know sh*t about me.

based on your behavior in the forums, one would assume youre an arrogant little prick in RL. its in threads like this where one does not face the consequences of their words that someones true nature really shines.

if you love tribes so much and did so well in it, go play tribes. the games are not even remotely similar, therefore stop trying to make BF2 into tribes or trying to justify your arguments with tribes babble. it has absolutely no place here.

[WarGimp]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Because you see he's the type of player that secretly wishes he was god-like at games, but can't seem to attain that level of skill, so instead he hides under the guise of playing for "fun", and assumes that anyone who is actually good must be a big time nerd/loser.

Don't start assuming things about my real life Wargimp, because I'll make you look like a complete idiot. You don't know sh*t about me.

Methinks he doth protest too much.

I didn't call you a loser, a nerd, or anything else.

I said building up an ego over a game is kinda sad. That's a very general statement.

And yes, I play for fun. If something isn't fun, I try to avoid doing it (unless there's coin involved).
As for making someone look like an idiot, you've proven your point. That's something you can definatly do, 'cause you've done it to yourself.

*ahem*
Back on topic:

Noob friendly games really do sell better than ones that play to the hardcore fans. The magic to a really good design is to make something that's both noob friendly and yet contains a system that's complex enough to encourage growth of skills. BF2 does that very well, IMHO. Dispite it being a fairly complex game with lots of different elements, a noob can still have fun, get a few kills, and come away from it with a positive experiance. Meanwhile, there's people who are constantly improving their skills and doing some perty amazing things.

[inf4my]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Blackhearted stop responding to me, you're a complete idiot.

If you possessed any sort of reading comprehension ability, you would understand that my beef is not with the game. I love BF2, and I've accepted it for what it is and I've adapted to it just fine.

My problem is with the players who refuse to admit that the game has problems, and like to say things like, "you just don't know how to play" instead of just acknowledging that the person who's complaining may actually have a point.

[JarEme]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Noob friendly games really do sell better than ones that play to the hardcore fans. The magic to a really good design is to make something that's both noob friendly and yet contains a system that's complex enough to encourage growth of skills. BF2 does that very well, IMHO. Dispite it being a fairly complex game with lots of different elements, a noob can still have fun, get a few kills, and come away from it with a positive experiance. Meanwhile, there's people who are constantly improving their skills and doing some perty amazing things.

What gun-related skill growth areas do you see?

[Paas]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

What gun-related skill growth areas do you see?

...grrr; hate the blind.

Here is one for the masses. I have learned that going crouch is more effective than going prone in most firefights.

...you get there quicker, and odds are you can get to your feet faster just in case you're up against an opponet with a better weapon. Furthermore, you get a pretty decent accuracy bonus that's comparable to prone.

There... I learned you somthing!

{WP}Paas

[unununium]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Dispite it being a fairly complex game with lots of different elements, a noob can still have fun, get a few kills, and come away from it with a positive experiance.

Just hope that they don't play Cleansweep first. That was the first map I played when I bought the game when it came out and I thought I had made a horrible error.

In any case, it's blatantly obvious that there are a couple of balance issues with the guns and their behaviour can be downright bizarre but this isn't a hardcore military simulation. However, the guns can be learned. Coming straight from Counter-Strike, BF2 will feel really alien. The guns have even changed a lot from previous Battlefield games. Just give it some time and you'll get into your groove.

That last paragraph wasn't directed at anyone in particular, by the way.

[unununium]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

I have learned that going crouch is more effective than going prone in most firefights.

It may seem faster but you get the benefit of prone accuracy instantly. Plus, it looks like you're going prone really slowly to them so when you shoot them on your way to the ground they'll get more angry

...you get there quicker, and odds are you can get to your feet faster just in case you're up against an opponet with a better weapon

You can get up from a prone as fast as getting up from a crouch by pressing the crouch button. It doesn't even obey the normal prone delay that was introduced by 1.2 :evil:

[Six.]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

Yeah, I reckon the diversity in gameplay is good. You can go lone-wolf if you think you're totally awesome or if you're a sniper. But on the other hand you can be a really good teamplayer and play with squads. On another case- you can be commander, and show your strategic prowess.

A person's personality really shows when you play with them; you know very very soon if they're a good team-player, or if they're a ****er, if they're awfully good at the game, and if they're good leaders or not. You'll know if someone's a gung-ho maniac, or if they're like ze mighty ninja, fast, quiet, deadly.

I can see a person's wisdom on BF2 whenever I see them actually pull out and fall back to a reinforced position rather than continue fighting on for the sake of points and die-hard desire to win.

Sadly enough- I've encountered the odd losers using M95 or noobtube to TK friendly pilots in their choppers when the pilot flies back for repairs, and take the chopper so they can use the helo for spawn raping and points reaping. They make mine, and all other's gaming experiences hell, so I simply return the favour.

[Big Daddy]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

The guns definetly suck, there is no disputing. When you shoot someone piont blank with a shotgun 4-6 times before they get off a shot and you fall over dead...something is wrong! ...just ask **** Chenney how many times it takes to knock someone down. How is it that you have to practiclly use a whole clip of any automatic gun at close range? I should not have to burst shoot from 5 feet! With one clip, I should be able to kill 6-10 people. Instead, you get into a battle with 3 or 4 and your lucky to get two of them. That's just wrong. I have played all the games also...including BF2 since it first released. They have never gotten the guns right yet. It is the biggest disappointment to the game. I thought this new release (1.2) would actually have promise, but it seems not... I see no noticeable difference in the weapons and other things are worse...what is up with the Claymores now...how whacked is that? Someone can lay it down in front of you...a good 20 feet away and you back up and get blown to bits! ...and I'm not sure about what others think, but since when did they come up with smart claymores? That is, ones that don't explode when friendly walks over or is near. Same for landmines. Who came up with that brillant idea? They have changed the entire line of strategy for where claymores and mines are laid! I think its time to get some of the old games out. I'm am definetly not buying another upgrade ..or BOOSTER pack as it is until some of this crap is fixed. It may even be time for retirement.

[Blackhearted]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

The guns definetly suck, there is no disputing. When you shoot someone piont blank with a shotgun 4-6 times before they get off a shot and you fall over dead...something is wrong! ...just ask **** Chenney how many times it takes to knock someone down. How is it that you have to practiclly use a whole clip of any automatic gun at close range? I should not have to burst shoot from 5 feet! With one clip, I should be able to kill 6-10 people. Instead, you get into a battle with 3 or 4 and your lucky to get two of them. That's just wrong. I have played all the games also...including BF2 since it first released. They have never gotten the guns right yet. It is the biggest disappointment to the game. I thought this new release (1.2) would actually have promise, but it seems not... I see no noticeable difference in the weapons and other things are worse...what is up with the Claymores now...how whacked is that? Someone can lay it down in front of you...a good 20 feet away and you back up and get blown to bits! ...and I'm not sure about what others think, but since when did they come up with smart claymores? That is, ones that don't explode when friendly walks over or is near. Same for landmines. Who came up with that brillant idea? They have changed the entire line of strategy for where claymores and mines are laid! I think its time to get some of the old games out. I'm am definetly not buying another upgrade ..or BOOSTER pack as it is until some of this crap is fixed. It may even be time for retirement.

if you have to fire 4-6 times at point blank range with a shotgun (doesnt matter which) to kill someone something is wrong. same goes if you are using up a whole clip to kill someone.
what is your average ping? whats your average FPS?

[Haldir323]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

I must say that it took me a good while to get used to these guns. But it's very satisfying now when I hit someone running full speed side to side with a sniper rifle. It's frustrating but worth it.

[warfryx]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

OK fine why dont we just EA for the Frigging autoaim feature...

or maybe when u get shot u will eventually bleed to death unless you get to hospital...

geez

[Paas]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

It may seem faster but you get the benefit of prone accuracy instantly. Plus, it looks like you're going prone really slowly to them so when you shoot them on your way to the ground they'll get more angry

I know you get "Insta-Prone-Accuracy" from diving prone, yet, by the time someone even decideds to flop to prone and unload, I've pretty much already shot them and relocated.

I don't just sit in the open and throw rounds back and forth at someone, I sprint to cover and use different firing angles.

You can get up from a prone as fast as getting up from a crouch by pressing the crouch button. It doesn't even obey the normal prone delay that was introduced by 1.2 :evil:

Tried this. Doesn't work. If I go prone and I press crouch, I go through a three step process in the game.

Maybe I'm just missing somthing?

{WP}Paas

[vbl]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

I know you get "Insta-Prone-Accuracy" from diving prone, yet, by the time someone even decideds to flop to prone and unload, I've pretty much already shot them and relocated.

I don't just sit in the open and throw rounds back and forth at someone, I sprint to cover and use different firing angles.



Tried this. Doesn't work. If I go prone and I press crouch, I go through a three step process in the game.

Maybe I'm just missing somthing?

{WP}Paas

While prone try rapidly hitting crouch and then jump.

[Big Daddy]

Re: Why do the guns suck so bad??

if you have to fire 4-6 times at point blank range with a shotgun (doesnt matter which) to kill someone something is wrong. same goes if you are using up a whole clip to kill someone.
what is your average ping? whats your average FPS?

My average frame rate is in the 80's and 90's, my average ping is 50-80. I have a 3.4 gig HT processor, with 2 gig of Ram, and the Geoforce 6800 ultra video card (the PC rocks). It doesn't happen every time but it shouldn't ever happen like I described it. Playing the older 1942 and vietnam was never this frustrating with the weapons.