1.2 Death of Attack Helis

[tsh2005]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

1.2 is a noob patch, no if buts or maybes.

The attack helis copped the biggest nerf by far out of anything in 1.2 Now they are nothing more than flying coffins. With reduced hitpoints, over-powered AA, missiles reduced from 14 to 8 and TVGM range reduced to 400m, only 1 person can count towards the cap of a flag, 1 shot kills from tanks, 1 .50 cal blows a heli before it overheats, 2 AT rockets and they blow, why did they need to nerf the attack helis like this, because of the cry baby noobs with no brains to take them down.

I tell you why because of noobs who don't have a brain and thought they should be able to take an attack heli down by firing their G36C at them and then wonder why they die, because you gave your location away firing a bb gun at an attack heli and tank whores that cried 1 shot should kill a heli when 1 shot in 1.12 left a cobra from full health to in the red with 3.5 bars health, 1.5 bars more damage and they catch on fire.

By suping up the AA to be noob friendly, point, 2 left clicks and your dead, also means now that planes are so deadly against helis as well. If a plane targets you now waits for flares to drop then there is no escape in an attack heli. 1 sec burst from a planes mg and your dead. Way to go DICE in nerfing the planes now they are way more powerful against helis.

Lars the franchise director must be a total noob to request these changes, and be a total tank whore, please pass that message onto him from me Demize. Guess what helis are suppose to kill tanks, not the other way around. Helis are suppose to kill ground pounders with their G36C's firing at them. If you use your brain you would find it was easy to take a heli down in 1.12 AA was effective against helis, especially if 2 sites were firing at you it almost always = death. .50 cals were extremely effective, especially if 2 were firing at you, if it didn't kill you it would make you run away.

I'm only talking about attack heli's not BH's. I agree they were flying tanks and should have had their hp reduced but why attack heli's?

I have over 200hrs flying attack helis, call me a whore I don't care that is what I enjoyed the most in BF2 and it was a challenge before. However hours wise I might be a whore but I flew for the co-pilot. A true whore only goes for the kills themselves. I wouldn't rack up a lot of kills but my co-pilot sure would. Thats how its meant to be.

I couldn't care less if people call me a whinger because those that do are the cry baby noobs who moulded 1.2 to how it is today. Well done noobs glad your happy.

Thanks DICE for signing the death of the attack helis with this 1.2 noob patch and listening to all those cry baby noobs. I spose if you cry often enough you get radical changes made in BF2.

heli is much weaker now. Jets are the number one problem with helis beacuse now they have the Super AA as well.

But anyways Yes it was overdone. But like all the other changes to fix bhop etc was overdone as well. Look at all the bugs. There is a list of 40+ new bugs.. Why do people say they like this patch? beacuse of 2 to 3 gameplay changes?? that doesnt make the patch the best ever

People here will probably flame/spam this topic if they havnt already. Saying the heli is still great and balbal. Which it is but that isnt the point.

Most people who say its easy. Play only on 32man servers with large maps and there is probably no one ever trying to take them down

Tanks/apc are like the new AIR beacuse of the sound bug when you cant hear if you are fired at, the Anti tank bug when you fire but nothing happens, And a military soldier only able to run no more then 5 secs and to hit the ground you have to wait 2-3 secs/getting up 3-6secs. live longer

Do not flam/spam this topic. Nothing nice to say dont say anything all

[imported_Gergnoodle]

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so if we disagree we are not allowed to say anyting ????????

what are you my mother ?????? if i disagree with the topic ill have my say thank you very much thats the point of forums

and this game is a video game based on real physics of real weapons the dynamics of all the vehicles are supposed to as close to real life as a game can be

and yes choppers and planes will die glowiously if hit with an aa missle not 6 or 8 like pre patch if u cant adapt to the new then dont fly anymore and use the aa instead and see if you can take out the good pilots

[tsh2005]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

as in spam. your topic

pointless. Nothing to talk over. no info. sounds like you dont even know what you are talking about

I still dont understand why some people think this game is based on real life. When EA already said a million times its fun over real

and yes i have sat in the AA before. Lol i got around 40 points with 2 deaths just by sitting in the AA whole round. On the EA forums someone posted a pic with 100 points just by sitting in the AA whole round

See at least to take out a tank you need some skills. You have to hide, aim, and actually know what you are doing or you will die from the tank/apc. while with the ground AA or Air to air. Just point click hit

So i cant see how or why you are trying to argue over this.. Make a server. Try to stay a live. I wont even look to help you out

[an army medic]

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sounds to me like you're the cry baby. but just waite,thay might fix all this in the next patch.

[Keith Maniac]

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The reports of the attack helicopters demise were greatly exaggerated. Good chopper pilots still get a lot of kills and few deaths.

Amen. Since 1.2 I've witnessed the increase of incredible crappy pilots :). These pilots take a lot of flak because they can't fly the copter properly. When they arrive at TV-station-flag on a MEC copter in Sharqi to sweep the roof they just park the copter midair like they used to and they get shot down within 10 seconds.

Yes, the copters are weaker now so you have to change the way you use them. Hovering above hotzone could got you killed in 1.12 too but you could always run away much faster. Now, why not simply keep moving all the time to avoid the AA fire? And if enemy is parked on the beach with 2-3 jeeps, why do you fly there with a copter? If the enemy AA is too good for you, why do you STILL take the copter over and over again just to get ripped apart again and again? They're too good for you -> try a different approach.

[« R²» HKS]

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Woah this topis is still going, up to 13 pages LOL.

1st I find it funny that pilots or copilots come on and say "Hey man I can still own in a heli and then post up a screenie of Sharqi where they hide behind the tv tower where they can't get hit by AA and just rape the people who continually spawn on top. Yeah that takes a lot of skill. :laugh:

Meanwhile I have been playing and trying to adapt to the super AA of 1.2 In fact if I had not started the post I could have said, stop crying about it I can still own in a heli, and contradict myself. Had a good game on Dalian where I could have posted up here and said, I can still own in 1.2 My copilot, a TBF2 regular CaptainPuffy went 32-2 on Dalian and I went 12-2. Ok we owned that map and came 1st and 2nd in the heli. So what's the problem?

Well basically that round there weren't any decent jet pilots to worry about. Hardly anyone manned the AA IGLA's. So I could have made out i'm a heli god like others have but that was a rarity compared to the norm of 1.2 However both deaths were from AA not like that other guy who reckoned he had a great pilot and he crashed into trees 3 times, geez.:laugh:

Earlier that day the server crashed, grr been crashing so much since 1.2 but that's another story. So it restarts on Dalian. People were manning the AA on both beachfront bases the whole game. We had R2's on both sides with good pilots. One on the other team to me raped me the whole game with the planes' AA. There was nothing I could do to avoid it, fly low get raped, fly high get raped, 360 turns, barrell rolls, backflips you name it I always got raped. When I wasn't getting owned by him I couldn't even make it to land without getting owned by the IGLA's. Had a kdr of 4-16, gave up and went on the ground and manned the AA myself and got some back.

Its the planes AA that ****es me the most. Also the lowered hp of the attack heli's and now a planes mg kill you in a second. Way to go nerfing the planes, now they are uber against heli's and you call that balance?

AA tanks now kill me everytime unless I can sneak up on them from behind. Even when HicRic another TBF2 regular was commanding on our server the other night, I asked him to spot out the AA tanks for me, even knowing where they are you can't get them when you don't know where they are looking. They seem to have a much bigger range than the ground mounted IGLA's too.

Also the AA seems to ignore flares. If flares actually worked I wouldn't have a prob with this super AA but they don't. Anyone seen the AA zig zag like crazy at the flares then shootout straight at a plane or heli?

I wonder what will be done with the hotfix 1.21 in regards to AA?

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

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All chopper hp is too low. Its silly now. Any nonce can kill em.
I felt a cheap whore taking out a bunch of attack choppers on Dragon and a bunch of Blackhawks on Mashtuur (Only using a jeep or Anti-Tank.).

I must of been lucky when I was flying. I only got taken out by AA, (due to a crap gunner). But now I know how easy it is to take out em helis.

*Gotta add: BH guns S U C K !!!!! How crappier could they be?

[ILuvDaKnob]

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The helli's are fine the way they are now... You know have to learn to fly and leran to use terrain as cover.. Also, you need to learn to fire and then cover..

Gone are the days of running around the battlefield as Rambo of the air..

Its more realistic this way...

[tsh2005]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

Woah this topis is still going, up to 13 pages LOL.

1st I find it funny that pilots or copilots come on and say "Hey man I can still own in a heli and then post up a screenie of Sharqi where they hide behind the tv tower where they can't get hit by AA and just rape the people who continually spawn on top. Yeah that takes a lot of skill. :laugh:

Meanwhile I have been playing and trying to adapt to the super AA of 1.2 In fact if I had not started the post I could have said, stop crying about it I can still own in a heli, and contradict myself. Had a good game on Dalian where I could have posted up here and said, I can still own in 1.2 My copilot, a TBF2 regular CaptainPuffy went 32-2 on Dalian and I went 12-2. Ok we owned that map and came 1st and 2nd in the heli. So what's the problem?

Well basically that round there weren't any decent jet pilots to worry about. Hardly anyone manned the AA IGLA's. So I could have made out i'm a heli god like others have but that was a rarity compared to the norm of 1.2 However both deaths were from AA not like that other guy who reckoned he had a great pilot and he crashed into trees 3 times, geez.:laugh:

Earlier that day the server crashed, grr been crashing so much since 1.2 but that's another story. So it restarts on Dalian. People were manning the AA on both beachfront bases the whole game. We had R2's on both sides with good pilots. One on the other team to me raped me the whole game with the planes' AA. There was nothing I could do to avoid it, fly low get raped, fly high get raped, 360 turns, barrell rolls, backflips you name it I always got raped. When I wasn't getting owned by him I couldn't even make it to land without getting owned by the IGLA's. Had a kdr of 4-16, gave up and went on the ground and manned the AA myself and got some back.

Its the planes AA that ****es me the most. Also the lowered hp of the attack heli's and now a planes mg kill you in a second. Way to go nerfing the planes, now they are uber against heli's and you call that balance?

AA tanks now kill me everytime unless I can sneak up on them from behind. Even when HicRic another TBF2 regular was commanding on our server the other night, I asked him to spot out the AA tanks for me, even knowing where they are you can't get them when you don't know where they are looking. They seem to have a much bigger range than the ground mounted IGLA's too.

Also the AA seems to ignore flares. If flares actually worked I wouldn't have a prob with this super AA but they don't. Anyone seen the AA zig zag like crazy at the flares then shootout straight at a plane or heli?

I wonder what will be done with the hotfix 1.21 in regards to AA?

Agreee :p what i mean


I was saying/people here saying stuff like "you just need skills" or saying something like "you just need to hide pop up then attack"

When really this doesnt work. Yes in servers you talked about above. smaller numbers no one trying to take you out. But when you have people who care you wont last long at all.

look at the vid this person posted

http://www.secretsofbattlefield.com/Insaneaa.wmv

See how even with flares it still went for the heli (mid part of the vid)? I never once had flares save me. All they do is just stop the "lock on" so who ever is in the AA/jet etc has to relock back on. But how good is that when it relocks less then 3 secs?

Just in a server with i think it was around 55 or 45 something people and I couldnt live at all. The jets AA is the worst beacuse its just like the ground AA but with no range and a machine gun that was bad before but now its only about 3 secs or so and you die. I went behind buildings/rolled/backflip everything i could try but still died. One thing which shows how the AA is little overdone is when I was locked on by the AA I went behind a building on Oman and the AA zig zagged or something beacuse even when i was behind the building and no longer had lock on warning i got hit. Doesnt seem like it matters how good you are

[Badboris_uk]

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I love the super-powered AA.

Its awesome.

All the whingey chopper whores who realised they could own everyone without using a gramme of teamwork are now forced to actually talk to people on thier team! Oh dear lord, how do they cope?

Im a groundpounder, and I don't even miss the reliability of AT weapons that Uber-choppers should have given, because they never even did that, they were always busy camping out the TV tower.

all of you who are whingeing that your favourite method of "pwnage" got "nerfed" need to at least grow up a little. you are the modern day equivalent of conc-jumping virus infecting medics in TFC, and im glad they have seen fit to take you down a peg or two.

Ill see you soon in the scopes of my SRAW no doubt :p

Peace,
D503

[tsh2005]

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I love the super-powered AA.

Its awesome.

All the whingey chopper whores who realised they could own everyone without using a gramme of teamwork are now forced to actually talk to people on thier team! Oh dear lord, how do they cope?

Im a groundpounder, and I don't even miss the reliability of AT weapons that Uber-choppers should have given, because they never even did that, they were always busy camping out the TV tower.

all of you who are whingeing that your favourite method of "pwnage" got "nerfed" need to at least grow up a little. you are the modern day equivalent of conc-jumping virus infecting medics in TFC, and im glad they have seen fit to take you down a peg or two.

Ill see you soon in the scopes of my SRAW no doubt :p

Peace,
D503

you people dont read do you? :laugh:

[« R²» HKS]

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The helli's are fine the way they are now... You know have to learn to fly and leran to use terrain as cover.. Also, you need to learn to fire and then cover..

Gone are the days of running around the battlefield as Rambo of the air..

Its more realistic this way...

Let me guess your a ground pounder? :laugh:

Its funny how the ground pounders say you need to have skill to fly now when they couldn't even fly at all. Its funny how they say the AA is good and there is nothing wrong with it when they can't fly at all. Its funny how they give you all these handy tips to survive in the air when, wait for it, that's right, "They can't even fly!"

I love the super-powered AA.

Its awesome.

All the whingey chopper whores who realised they could own everyone without using a gramme of teamwork are now forced to actually talk to people on thier team! Oh dear lord, how do they cope?

Im a groundpounder, and I don't even miss the reliability of AT weapons that Uber-choppers should have given, because they never even did that, they were always busy camping out the TV tower.

all of you who are whingeing that your favourite method of "pwnage" got "nerfed" need to at least grow up a little. you are the modern day equivalent of conc-jumping virus infecting medics in TFC, and im glad they have seen fit to take you down a peg or two.

Ill see you soon in the scopes of my SRAW no doubt :p

Peace,
D503

I have no respect for ground only pounders who say this. They haven't spent the time to learn how to fly, don't have a clue what it was like to fly before the patch and after the patch. Not only that as a dedicated ground pounder never took the time to use the old AA and just because they never hit "everytime" said it didn't work and gave up.

I have taken down many planes with 1.12 AA. It wasn't a sure thing but it took skill to do it. Wait for exactly the right time, lead the shot and sure enough you could take planes down. Helis were really easy to take down with 1.12 AA Again it wasn't a sure thing and again it took skill waiting for the right time, again leading the shot. .50cals could also easily take down a heli in 1.12 but these ground pounders who specialise in playing on the ground only never seemed to get it? I found the guys who did could all fly helis and they were the ones downing me with the anti-heli weapons.

[Alcorr]

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Do you realise you don't even need lock with AA? In fact they can be out of lock range and you just aim and fire it and almost always you get the kills.

I was flying on dragon valley last night and every single AA site was manned. Sure I took some out but the others always got me. I always made them a priority before to take them out and still do.Then the planes never missed. Nothing worked, dropping flares, 360 turns, swerving, barrell rolls, back flips you name it, nothing worked against a plane.

Exactly the problem.

I put 2 dam tank rounds into a Cobra and it wasn't even smoking!!! Is this correct should helo's be able to take that much punishment from a couple of tank salvo's. Or was this another special bug, another to nestle amongst the many others. Or was this guy hacking, doubt it.

It was either serious lag or you are lying. 1 shot kill from a tank to a chopper.....

Ok we owned that map and came 1st and 2nd in the heli. So what's the problem?

Well basically that round there weren't any decent jet pilots to worry about. Hardly anyone manned the AA IGLA's. So I could have made out i'm a heli god like others have but that was a rarity compared to the norm of 1.2 However both deaths were from AA not like that other guy who reckoned he had a great pilot and he crashed into trees 3 times, geez.

ExACTLY why you can't trust screenshots.

AA tanks now kill me everytime unless I can sneak up on them from behind. Even when HicRic another TBF2 regular was commanding on our server the other night, I asked him to spot out the AA tanks for me, even knowing where they are you can't get them when you don't know where they are looking. They seem to have a much bigger range than the ground mounted IGLA's too.

Also the AA seems to ignore flares. If flares actually worked I wouldn't have a prob with this super AA but they don't. Anyone seen the AA zig zag like crazy at the flares then shootout straight at a plane or heli?

Ive found the same problems.

Look heres the deal:

All you guys who think you are so great or just don't fly can post all you want and call us people who actually know what we are talking about crybabies...but the truth still stands.

Choppers have been overnerfed and jet Air to air missiles are plain ridiculous.

You guys can post all the screens you want on how great you did, but that doesn't mean that even a single person was in AA....

Choppers were easy to take out 1.12 and like I said in another thread....my 7 year old brother who does NOTHING but left click shot down a bunch of choppers the other day....

And you call that balance!

I have no respect for ground only pounders who say this. They haven't spent the time to learn how to fly, don't have a clue what it was like to fly before the patch and after the patch. Not only that as a dedicated ground pounder never took the time to use the old AA and just because they never hit "everytime" said it didn't work and gave up.

ayyyMEN!

[Alcorr]

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I have taken down many planes with 1.12 AA. It wasn't a sure thing but it took skill to do it. Wait for exactly the right time, lead the shot and sure enough you could take planes down. Helis were really easy to take down with 1.12 AA Again it wasn't a sure thing and again it took skill waiting for the right time, again leading the shot. .50cals could also easily take down a heli in 1.12 but these ground pounders who specialise in playing on the ground only never seemed to get it? I found the guys who did could all fly helis and they were the ones downing me with the anti-heli weapons.

Perfect, especially the last part. All it took in 1.12 was to get in a 50 cal and actually AIM (omg he said AIM!) and the chopper went down....

95% of you who argue that choppers are (now) balanced had no idea of how to efficiently take down 1.12 choppers, so dice gave you the noob button....

[Sloi sauce]

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Let me guess your a ground pounder? :laugh:

No dude, he's an ASS pounder. :hmm: