1.2 Death of Attack Helis

[Paas]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

Nice Disclaimer... "I'm not saying I will beat you, but...." Ya, you aren't worth the effort. But what the heck, more people on the Xfire is always good.

Disclaimer? ...I truely don't know why I'm giving you the time of day. Especially when I don't even know you, anyways.... I state this, " I can stay in the air for extended periods of time.. ". I get this is response, " Let's see your ungodly Helo skills!".

As if it takes them to stay airborne!? Sheesh... give me a damn break. All it takes is a mind for the BattleField, a good Co-Pilot, and the ability to control a Helo like it's your penis'. That's it. I bring the pilot, he brings the gunning, and it works.

Add me to X-Fire, find me in game. Play with me, or against me... In the mean time. It's retarded to ride the stats of someone who spends very little time in ranked servers. Also, someone who spent most of his time on the Earth pre-1.2. Like I said before, I'm not fighting over a Helo when I'm just as talented in all other aspects of the game (Except Spec-Ops, I hate them. Seems like the "easy" difficulty to me).

I've said enough to you already. We disagree. You obviously don't want to hear anyone's perspective but your own. Unless they have "roasted" in the Helo since BF2 inception. So, why bother? Debate with someone else. See ya' in game; maybe.

{WP}Paas

[Lugal317]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

{WP}Paas

The only problem I have is people that are inexperienced trying to tell people with experience how things happen. From what I see, you don't have experience and yet you're running your mouth all over the damn place on a bunch of different people that actually have something to prove their skill with. I added you to xfire, accept the invite and come find me.

[Paas]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

The only problem I have is people that are inexperienced trying to tell people with experience how things happen. From what I see, you don't have experience and yet you're running your mouth all over the damn place on a bunch of different people that actually have something to prove their skill with. I added you to xfire, accept the invite and come find me.

Do you even realise how childish you sound? You're telling me because I wasn't one of those people standing around with you, trying to get to the Helo first every friggin' round, I should somehow "silence" myself; even though I'm an advid and talented pilot?

...wait wait wait, no. What you're telling me is that I'm 100% required to ALWAYS play on ranked servers. Because, ya' know, you're a nobody if you're not on ranked servers?

Nah', maybe I got that wrong too? Ok. I got it; you're telling me because I have life obligations, find other things interesting besides the Helo, hardly ever man up on the gun, that I'm suddenly unqualified to comment? Ha'! Your mindset if laughable. By your logic, I don't know how to use shock paddels. I also don't know how to drive a Tank, I don't know how to use a Vodnik, and I have no clue how you fire the secondary weapon on the APC.

Get of your BF2 tracker high horse. Not everyone plays this game for stats. You know what, I'm wasting my time with you... I gave you my Xfire login for a reason, you find me, and you come get you some. On land, in the Air, I don't care. Just don't trip out when I'm not the pushover EA's conflicted stat system would lead you to belevie.

Damn... the nerve. To pester someone over a stat system that has "OBVIOUSLY" been exploited by multiple parties from day one. I get bitched at for being a "Multi-Faceted" player? ...I'm just confused at this point.

{WP}Paas

[« R²» HKS]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

This is not about a who's got the bigger e-peepee. The comments made by you {WP}Paas were that you had no problems in 1.2 and going off your stats you have limited experience in attack helis and not even 1,000 kills yet. Whether you can fly around a map and not crash means nothing. Its how you go in 1.2 with the nerfed helicopters and backing up your "claims" I don't give a rats about stats either. Mine are tainted because I never get to play a full round because I have to babysit and admin the server. Quite often I have bailed out of a heli and killed myself on purpose so I can deal with a tard. Also as I said my kdr could easily be 5:1 or higher if I whored the heli to get kills for myself but I don't, I fly for the co-pilot, the way it should be.

The observation made based on your stats was time being in a heli and the amount of kills you have. Whether you have racked up lots on unranked servers means nothing. 9.9/10 don't play unranked. That's where the skilled players are not on unranked servers.

Lets get back to topic please that is are the heli's unfairly nerfed? Yes. Did they need these changes? No Are they nerfed now because rambo lone wolfs cried about them because they didn't play as a team or didn't have the brains to adapt and take them down? Yes Did the AA need to be made more effective? Yes against planes but they already were against helis. Now planes are even more effective against helis because of the over-powered AA.

If you couldn't use AA to kill heli's in 1.12 you are a noob. There are plenty of people who never had a problem with them, though they took more than getting lock and 2 left clicks. If people couldn't work out how to use them and put time into using them then hey why not give up and just say they sucked like they have, then complain about them?

Also I would like to hear from "experienced" pilots on any strats they use or any different techniques they use to overcome the nerfed helis. I haven't given up on them but everything I did pre patch no longer works like the techniques I have mentioned.

[Paas]

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This is not about a who's got the bigger e-peepee. The comments made by you {WP}Paas were that you had no problems in 1.2 and going off your stats you have limited experience in attack helis and not even 1,000 kills yet. Whether you can fly around a map and not crash means nothing. Its how you go in 1.2 with the nerfed helicopters and backing up your "claims" I don't give a rats about stats either. Mine are tainted because I never get to play a full round because I have to babysit and admin the server. Quite often I have bailed out of a heli and killed myself on purpose so I can deal with a tard. Also as I said my kdr could easily be 5:1 or higher if I whored the heli to get kills for myself but I don't, I fly for the co-pilot, the way it should be.

Wait... wait, just hold on one second. You don't care about stats!? Yet you based your entire opinion of me off of : One, Stats. Two, The fact that I think the A.A. is fine as is in regards to Helos, and the fact I'm able to survive and put my gunner in a position to take out APC, Tanks, and other Vehicles?

So, basically you suddenly doubt me because I disagree with you? ...you know what? Don't even answer that.

The observation made based on your stats was time being in a heli and the amount of kills you have. Whether you have racked up lots on unranked servers means nothing. 9.9/10 don't play unranked. That's where the skilled players are not on unranked servers.

What!? There is an entire mod community, the PRMM division, the server side mods, Euros, just people who are sick of the overall lack of teamwork that comes with a Rank server and people only out for medals; who play on Unranked servers! They are suddenly untalented because "You" declare so... Are you just messin' with me or are you serious? Cause if you're serious I think I can just stop here... if you're actually serious, I don't even want to debate with you. I'm just gunna' let you win. Yet, I doubt you're serious. So, I will continue.

Lets get back to topic please that is are the heli's unfairly nerfed? Yes. Did they need these changes? No Are they nerfed now because rambo lone wolfs cried about them because they didn't play as a team or didn't have the brains to adapt and take them down? Yes Did the AA need to be made more effective? Yes against planes but they already were against helis. Now planes are even more effective against helis because of the over-powered AA.

I completely disagree. They A.A. is fine as is, heck, I think it should be given a father engagement range, and should remind invisible to Jet pilots even when Armed.

As to why they were changed, yeah, people cried about them because "The didn't work properly!". You go from having A.A. that can miss stationary Helos at times, to A.A. that's pittbull lethal, you expect some people to not like it. Fair enough, I do. I stand by my reasons for enjoying the challenge of it. One of those reasons is I'm able to avoid it and eleminate it with a skilled gunner.

If you couldn't use AA to kill heli's in 1.12 you are a noob. There are plenty of people who never had a problem with them, though they took more than getting lock and 2 left clicks. If people couldn't work out how to use them and put time into using them then hey why not give up and just say they sucked like they have, then complain about them?

What did it take extra? On a stationary Helo, you get a lock in multplayer, wait for him to drop flares, once flares are gone you fire twice. One of your missiles will probably hit, the other one will chase down the nearest friendly Helo or Jet, and afford you team vehicle damage. It as a common occurance. Are you telling me it "Never" happend to you? Ever?! If so.. damn. You're lucky.

Also I would like to hear from "experienced" pilots on any strats they use or any different techniques they use to overcome the nerfed helis. I haven't given up on them but everything I did pre patch no longer works like the techniques I have mentioned.

1: Fly low and use Terrain.

2. Stay outside of the combat area until you're needed ala. someone has spotted a tank. Someone has requested some Air support and the Jets are busy, or someone just needs a quick hit of air power.

3. Actively seek static A.A, or Mobile A.A. This will free up Airspace for your Jets, and allow your Jets to bomb/cover your behind from other jets.

4. Make sure your gunner knows what you're planning. Use VOIP.

5. Make a "Target" chain, and engage down that chain. A.A. and Mobile A.A. are your first concern. Followed by APCs, and FAVs; other enemy Helos. Tanks would be your final threat as they take the highest level of accuracy to down you.

If that doesn't help you. Then maybe find someone with over a "Trillion" hours in a helo. Odds are though, he's going to tell you the exact same thing.

{WP}Paas

[]UK-C[ Mindzai]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

... I'm an advid and talented pilot?

You're certainly a something, but "avid and talented pilot" aren't the words i'd choose...

[Cornbread Mafia]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

The A.A. is fine.. Only the weak pilots will fail to overcome...

[Paas]

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You're certainly a something, but "avid and talented pilot" aren't the words i'd choose...

...YOU don't even know me, nor' have YOU played with me either. Way to hop o the bandwagon...

Let me guess, " Stats are the mark of skill... so if you wanted to be looked at as acceptable you should have targeted your stats instead of Fun and Immmersion".

Should I be expecting the same wrap from you? Give me a break...

{WP}Paas

[Boojie]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

can i step in?


(ding, ding, ding....round 2)

[]UK-C[ Mindzai]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

Bah Sharqi is no big deal whatsoever and by spamming the TV tower from the back you can rack up a huge score. You also have cover. You can go from the MEC heli base round the outside of the map to the back of the tv tower. Then your gunner can let loose at all the idiots who constantly spawn on the roof and cry rape when there are other bases to spawn at.

Sharqi is not much different to as it was before, however if all the AA is manned and .50 cals you can have a handfull as well and then its a different story!

There is also plenty of cover on Sharqi if you get target you can drop down by the water and run along the edges.

Other maps though like dragon valley, Oman etc you don't have that.

While that is certainly true, the action was all between city entrance & construction site, which as you know has 3 AA sites overlooking it. As I said, i'm an average pilot at best and we did fine, I prefer the challenge of actually having to think about AA and talk to your gunner rather than just hovering and spamming the cannons.

...YOU don't even know me, nor' have YOU played with me either. Way to hop o the bandwagon...

Let me guess, " Stats are the mark of skill... so if you wanted to be looked at as acceptable you should have targeted your stats instead of Fun and Immmersion".

Should I be expecting the same wrap from you? Give me a break...

{WP}Paas

Actually I have no interest in your stats therefore I havent looked them up, much less formed any opinions of you based upon them. I have however read some of your posts from which I have formed the opinion that you are an egotistical, arrogant t*sser

[Paas]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

can i step in?


(ding, ding, ding....round 2)

Feel free?

{WP}Paas

[Paas]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

Actually I have no interest in your stats therefore I havent looked them up, much less formed any opinions of you based upon them. I have however read some of your posts from which I have formed the opinion that you are an egotistical, arrogant t*sser

Egotistical and Arrogant... for saying that I can stay alive in a Helo and do well? Don't recall gloating about it, I surely don't recall saying anyone else was substandard for not being able to do the same. Just said I could, and that it's possible. Also, considering all it takes is teamwork... I belevie the A.A. is just fine as is.

...damn. Even reading back over my own work multiple times, I really don't see where you're pulling this from. Can you show me what you read that helped you form the mindset that I'm so full of myself? Like I said, I cannot find it.

Is this "flame Paas" night or somthing? Did I miss the memo?

{WP}Paas

[Boojie]

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You have to be friggin' kidding me. This is the ultimate flex of E-Penis. I cannot even belevie for a second I thought to take you up on this. Yet, what the hell...

What are the conditions? You just want to see me play a game? What's your judegment criteria? How long I stay airborne, how many points I rack up, or how much help I am to the team?

I'm not going to PM you with any setup dates or anything. Yet, my Xfire is Paas. Hit me up through there, it would be much easier than me attempting to form a time slot.

Same thing goes for other chap. Add me to X-Fire, I'll bring mah' Co-Pilot; Elbutton.
{WP}Paas

can i watch? i'll invite some-o-my-boys. we'll just hang low on the mountains or something. it could be like a picnic. we'll fire up some t-bones on the grill, crack a brew and watch the brawl.

:guns:

can we set up a pool or lay some odds? i'll lay 7:1 odds on WP doing his thang. if his skills are as impressive as his prose, it's gonna be a nice rumble.

[Boojie]

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Is this "flame Paas" night or somthing? Did I miss the memo?

{WP}Paas

Did you see...the memo...about the TPS reports?

:hi:

[Paas]

Re: 1.2 Death of Attack Helis

can i watch? i'll invite some-o-my-boys. we'll just hang low on the mountains or something. it could be like a picnic. we'll fire up some t-bones on the grill, crack a brew and watch the brawl.

:guns:

can we set up a pool or lay some odds? i'll lay 7:1 odds on WP doing his thang. if his skills are as impressive as his prose, it's gonna be a nice rumble.

You just had to bring humor into the whole thing didn't ya? :p

Sure. Everyone is invited. It's a party. Not sure whem it will go down considering I don't have many days off in the week. When it does, I will be sure to let you know; you'll be the first to know.

{WP}Paas