Hate BF2 1.2

[Acentric]

Re: Hate BF2 1.2

Learn how to spell Thread, what the hell's "treath"?

[Cornbread Mafia]

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maranello, apart from reasonability in your posts. This is not a flight sim. This is not a sim at all. Should never be taken as. Should never be compared to real life as.

This game was also not meant to be 4 jets and a bunch of ground fodder; which was what this game was until this patch..

[whoundead]

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what are you talking about?

forget, that guy is just one more noob...

HEY PEOPLE THIS IS NOT CS!!!! THIS IS BF; AND BF ALWAYS WILL BE ONE HELL OF A GAME; now u will see what bf2 can do, I HOPE he can achieve the GREAT PERFORMANCE of THE bf42, AND FH MOD, that´s what i call a bf game!

[maranello]

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maranello, apart from reasonability in your posts. This is not a flight sim. This is not a sim at all. Should never be taken as. Should never be compared to real life as.

I am not comparing it with real life. I know the difference between simulations and arcade games as i have been playing both for 15 years or more.

There has to be a reality factor, even very little, since you are talking about a game that is based on modern warfare.

The reality i am talking about is the same as soldiers being have to reload with animation. If you say this is arcade then why dont we:

1. Let infantry reload in a milisecond time, let's just not go through the animation.

2. Let soldiers to never get tired and give them infinite stamina

3. Let tank shells go without any projectile, that is when you fire them with an angle, there is no drop.

And so on...

What i see with people is, when there is something that is good for majority of people, that should be considered as arcade, but when there is something that pi$$es off those majority people, they consider it as too realistic.

Well I guarantee you that there won't be ANY patch until next May or June. So you can either stop playing or keep playing. Complaining about these things even before the patch is released will not make one bit of a difference.

[Chris_Redfield]

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This game was also not meant to be 4 jets and a bunch of ground fodder; which was what this game was until this patch..

No. Most of the people who got pounded by jets were the people who positioned themselves as perfect bomb targets. That is nothing but the players fault. The simple fact that you could choose whether or not to die by a bomb was enough. Jet pilots now cannot have the luxury against STAs.

[bjack]

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On a side note, flares are not good in dog fighting as they are with Ground AA. In order for them to work, there has to be some distance between the two planes that are dogfighting. You can not expect your flares to save you if the enemy plane on your tail is close enough to tell your hair color.

Agree, but this same technique of launching air-to-air missiles worked often pre-1.2. Close in with afterburner and fire a few missiles when nearly point blank.

[maranello]

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No. Most of the people who got pounded by jets were the people who positioned themselves as perfect bomb targets. That is nothing but the players fault. The simple fact that you could choose whether or not to die by a bomb was enough. Jet pilots now cannot have the luxury against STAs.

Exactly...I mean what do you expect to happen if you drive your jeep out in the middle of the damn beach and try to take down a blackhawk with the .50 cal?

Or what do you expect to happen if you wait for tanks or APCs to spawn right by the flag out in the open.

I always said this and always will say it..."The plane doesn't kill you because they are powered, you get yourself bombed with your own mistake"

[Cornbread Mafia]

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No. Most of the people who got pounded by jets were the people who positioned themselves as perfect bomb targets. That is nothing but the players fault. The simple fact that you could choose whether or not to die by a bomb was enough. Jet pilots now cannot have the luxury against STAs.

Anywhere on the map made you a bomb target. Try to cap a flag, bombed; try to drive a vehicle, bombed; try to move from point "A" to point "B", bombed.. You must be a disgruntled pilot.

[maranello]

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Agree, but this same technique of launching air-to-air missiles worked often pre-1.2. Close in with afterburner and fire a few missiles when nearly point blank.

It was wrong, that's why they fixed it.

Trust me, those guys at DICE have MS in Computer Sciences, Mathematics, Physics, and even AeroSpace Engineering. They know plane physics better than anyone in this forum.

[Azriel]

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the players fault. The simple fact that you could choose whether or not to die by a bomb was enough..

Yeah, you could choose, you know by like....spawning, or being with-in 15 meters of your squad. Stupid stuff like that.

[Chris_Redfield]

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I am not comparing it with real life. I know the difference between simulations and arcade games as i have been playing both for 15 years or more.

There has to be a reality factor, even very little, since you are talking about a game that is based on modern warfare.

The reality i am talking about is the same as soldiers being have to reload with animation. If you say this is arcade then why dont we:

1. Let infantry reload in a milisecond time, let's just not go through the animation.

2. Let soldiers to never get tired and give them infinite stamina

3. Let tank shells go without any projectile, that is when you fire them with an angle, there is no drop.

And so on...

What i see with people is, when there is something that is good for majority of people, that should be considered as arcade, but when there is something that pi$$es off those majority people, they consider it as too realistic.

Well I guarantee you that there won't be ANY patch until next May or June. So you can either stop playing or keep playing. Complaining about these things even before the patch is released will not make one bit of a difference.

I dont need an example of the opposite. I am telling you that you cannot compare this game to real life. I dont even have to tell you WHY because youre old enough to see that this will bring in elements that will have your own comparision contradict with itsself. For example. You compare jets killing others with dead on proficiency from 100 feet distance. I say that a .50 cal shot in the face wont be cured with defibs and so on.

I dont want this game to be a military simulation. I have my own games for that. I dont need dead-on realism here. I need some balance.

The problem is, balance can be achieved by honing your skills. As said before. When a player has 100 hours in a jet, it MUST be illogical and unbalanced for a player with 10 seconds in AA to be able to take him down. Thats the ultimate point.

[maranello]

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I dont need an example of the opposite. I am telling you that you cannot compare this game to real life. I dont even have to tell you WHY because youre old enough to see that this will bring in elements that will have your own comparision contradict with itsself. For example. You compare jets killing others with dead on proficiency from 100 feet distance. I say that a .50 cal shot in the face wont be cured with defibs and so on.

I dont want this game to be a military simulation. I have my own games for that. I dont need dead-on realism here. I need some balance.

The problem is, balance can be achieved by honing your skills. As said before. When a player has 100 hours in a jet, it MUST be illogical and unbalanced for a player with 10 seconds in AA to be able to take him down. Thats the ultimate point.

If the player with 100 hours is so stupid to make a 75 degree dive when going with 1,000 mph to take out a ground AA, he can have 1500 hours in aircraft, a player with the brain of a 10 year old WILL take him down even the first time he uses the AA.

Skill doesn't come with long hours, it comes with intelligence combined with experience. If every experienced soldier in the army were the best skilled soldier, then we wouldnt have 45 year old sgt. majors, they all would be in white house.

[Chris_Redfield]

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Anywhere on the map made you a bomb target. Try to cap a flag, bombed; try to drive a vehicle, bombed; try to move from point "A" to point "B", bombed.. You must be a disgruntled pilot.

LOL. Thats just ignorant and stupid.

A bomber pilot aims his bombs at "something" obvious. Just stay away from that something and youre cool. if you DONT. Then you being killed is your own fault. And driving a vehicle out in the open is SUPPOSED to get you killed.

[Cornbread Mafia]

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I dont need an example of the opposite. I am telling you that you cannot compare this game to real life. I dont even have to tell you WHY because youre old enough to see that this will bring in elements that will have your own comparision contradict with itsself. For example. You compare jets killing others with dead on proficiency from 100 feet distance. I say that a .50 cal shot in the face wont be cured with defibs and so on.

I dont want this game to be a military simulation. I have my own games for that. I dont need dead-on realism here. I need some balance.

The problem is, balance can be achieved by honing your skills. As said before. When a player has 100 hours in a jet, it MUST be illogical and unbalanced for a player with 10 seconds in AA to be able to take him down. Thats the ultimate point.

Problem was/is, that a person with 500 hours in AA still couldn't take out a jet..

[Chris_Redfield]

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If the player with 100 hours is so stupid to make a 75 degree dive when going with 1,000 mph to take out a ground AA, he can have 1500 hours in aircraft, a player with the brain of a 10 year old can take him down even the first time he uses the AA.

Thast just one of the examples. I greet this. Seriosuly. Going head on into a STA site while STA has a lock on you shouldnt leave you alive. BUT; if youre evading and moving off and you cant shake the missiles no matter what. THAT is the problem Im talking about. THAT is what you have yet to realize. Even though various people have presented this problem to you.