I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

[cyborg_ninja-117]

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i hear u, just play 16 player urban maps, theres no airpower, search for eatw servers, and go for 4A or 4B, they are all urban maps

[Prince]

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Every army needs air support.

Apart from the Vietcong. :p

[xpnl]

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Yesterday I shot 12 times on the same plane, with a lock on him!
He didnt use flares....
He did not even smoke!
So take out the AA and give players a stinger kit
So pilots can not see you, like you are in the AA gun
That will teach them
:)

[majsmt]

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Some excellent points have been discussed about this subject.I think the consensus is that airpower ,especially jets, cannot effectively be engaged by ground troops.All means of doing so simply do not work.Everyone is asking EA games for a solution.I fly jets but do not perfer them ,too fast for an old man.The problem is that I cannot see the enemy with my old eyes.I end up just flying around for a whole map doing aerobatics.I am no help to neutralize guys like The_Warmachine.I never see them, 1000mph too fast for me.My point is everyone has a right to their opinion. That is what this forum is all about.Why do some insist on personally attacking posters.Some dont want to be patricular about grammer and spelling. They often type like they do in game with abbreviation and lots of slang.This is not English grammer class we are here to relax and talk about the game.Some of the name calling gets racial and pathetic.I personally have a retarded brother and that reference is on the same level. I think that someone who verbally attacks posters on a personal level with that kind of garbage may possibly be retarded or at least have some deep seeded mental problem.It is this posters opinion that any personal degrading remark of any kind should be that indivuals last.Eventually they would disappear.

[DrunkenPirate]

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im sick of people like you bitching.... go play cod2

I'm sick of people like you making dumbass posts like this because they fail at making and answering to a debate, one more post like this and your account will be set to moderated.

[puglous]

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This has been said before...

1. Its funny for all you who dislike airpower to say it involves "little skill" and "noobish tactic" etc etc.

2. If its so easy why isnt everyone flying? if its easy why cant you fly?

3. it also reminds me, in any of the servers I have been to, I have never met any pilot like PlaneWhore, most of them gets 1 kill every 10 minutes if they are luckey, I really dont see how less than 1% of skilled player dominating the round make the game "unblanaced". If you meet a very skilled armor driver he will dominate the map as well, its the same case.

4. Im not saying AA is fine, its not, but it should be tweaked purely to balance the game, not to satisify your whines.

5.If you want to improve the missiles, balance it by making the locking circle smaller, you dont have auto-tracking anti-tank missiles, why should you have an "I-win-button" against jets?

If missiles are improved it wouldnt hurt us pilots either, infact I wont be surprised if more people become plane-whores after the missile improvement. Imagine instead of requiring skill to gun-town that chopper, anyone can just launch a missile? After the missile improvement I foresee a whole new thread dedicated to how missile is too overpowered and how choppers are dropping like flies.

1. It's not the lack of skill required by the pilot that bugs me (if there is a lack of skill), it's the lack of difference the skill of other's can make to counter that pilot. There is no where you can go to reduce your chances of getting bombed by a jet or killed by an attack helo. This is not true at all with armor, there are plenty of places where armor can raise/lower its turret enough to get you.

2. Raptor explains it

3. The armor doesn't dominate the map in a way that destroys the strategy of the game and make skill totally pointless to anyone but the driver, and that skilled armor guy can be counter with skilled AT guys, unlike jets which can only be countered with the other jet (who probably won't shoot at the enemy plane) and AA (which is blind luck).

4. Our "whines" (Do you think guys you're "cool" or something for using this word despite that we've been more mature than most of the pro-jet people could ever hope to be? This isn't a playground, so whether or not you're cool won't make you right) ARE about the lack of balance in the game.

5. I wish there was a more strategic/skill based way to take down airpower than an "I win/hit a friendly and get punished." button, but air power attacks and moves too fast and freely to for there to be much hope of such a thing it seems.

[imported_DwarfVader]

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I've watched the Planewhore vid, and if any of the rest of you watch it close enough and keep your hands out of your pants for a second you will realize there is something fishy about it.

For the entire vid he doesn't take a SINGLE BAR OF DMG. Not one, watch the vid very closely there are more then 5 instances where he should have taken well over half dmg from an act of destruction and 2 instances where he could have quite possibly blown himself up and yet he doesn't take a single bar of dmg.

I'm not going to call Hax, but I will say that I'm skeptical that there isn't something going on in that vid we aren't told about.

[iewgnem]

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puglous:

1, 2, and 3: tell that to those whining about armor being unbalanced.

4. anyone can call anything unblanced, for someone that cant shoot at all everything in fps are unbalanced. dont beg the question.

5. There are skill based thigns you can do to take down jets, namely other jets, but for all of you with virtual fear of heights why dont you propose something, instead of saying its unbalanced over and over again?

how about just improving missiles's FOF identification? or perhaps remove AA turrets from showing up on HUD, but then again all pilots know where AA turets are and it dosnt change anything.

I've watched the Planewhore vid, and if any of the rest of you watch it close enough and keep your hands out of your pants for a second you will realize there is something fishy about it.

For the entire vid he doesn't take a SINGLE BAR OF DMG. Not one, watch the vid very closely there are more then 5 instances where he should have taken well over half dmg from an act of destruction and 2 instances where he could have quite possibly blown himself up and yet he doesn't take a single bar of dmg.

I'm not going to call Hax, but I will say that I'm skeptical that there isn't something going on in that vid we aren't told about.

Its called being able to fly without crashing.
Also I doubt if a hacker would want to tape his entire "hacking process" and post it on a forum.

[TooL]

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I feel you man, but in all honesty, air should dominate, hence the term, "Death From Above". However, the AA system is bent. The scissors? Thats your team's jet. The lack is not only on EA's part, but also the other players, if they have better pilots, well, you'll have to devise a strategy to get around that. When the enemy has air surperiority, it's time to let go of Blackhawks & Super Cobras and possibly armor, depending on their aircraft, and dust off the rifle. At that point I would respond with guerrilla warfare. Start laying mines, using C4, hiding in buildings from the aircraft, try shooting their helos down with rockets, sniping, and staying the hell away from AA turrets or jump on and run off as needed.
One thing however, that dissapoints me, is when I saw the video for BF2 before it came out, it gave the impression of being able to 'paint' targets for aircraft. That would be very helpful, calling in strike on tanks and heavily fortified enemy positions.

Just my two-cents.


Edited spelling errors.

Wow - someone who gets it. The game is what it is. The solution to a good pilot is another good pilot on the other team. Nothing satisfies me more than keeping the enemy planes off my teams back. Yeah I may not be as good as the enemy every time but just harrassing him every now and then can make a difference.

[The_Warmachine]

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This is the equivilent of a player being able to enter a building that is entirely sealed up and invulnerable, but being able to shoot out at other people through some sort of pinhole where they can't be shot back from. There's no real skill involved.

You'd still have people on this forum saying, "that just means ur not skilled enuff 2 get into a building and do the same!" in reply to someone's thread calling for C4 being able to blow up that building.

There is no real measure of skill here, people. Trust me. Within 10 minutes of learning how to take off and fly/turn/dive/climb, I was able to stay airborne for as long as I choose to. At first I would freak out and wiggle around when shot at with AA and AARAMs, but after a short while I realized they weren't scratching me.

All it takes is a slight turn in any direction (And lots of times not even that if the enemy isn't shooting at you from VERY close behind) to shake off swarms of missiles.

It's broken. Let the jets keep their manuverability, their speed, their armor, all the stats. But give AA sites as good a chance of destroying them as the jet's bombs have of destroying ground targets.

Then it would take REAL skill to shake a missile lock, rather than the amazing flying n00bs who are on here right now arguging against balance. These are the same kids who if it wasn't for armor and jets to protect them against normal infantry, would be googling for BF2 online cheats.

[Akula(old)]

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I have to agree with him guys... Airpower is far too powerful and needs to be a bit more vulnerable just to make things fair. There is of course the arguement that aircraft and Helicopters truly are very hard to take down in real life... WELL MY FRIENDS, The flight model and physics of these aircraft are extremely innacurrate. No Jet has that small a turn radius no matter how manoeverable it is. As for Helicopters, They are also pretty innacurate. Air superiority is acheived by strategically bombing key targets. This isn't done by simply going in and dropping bombs. An air strike is always well cordinated because a pilot only has one chance. The fact that aircraft can drop bombs, fly off, circle around and drop some more makes it a bit too UNFAIR as far as I'm concerned. As for Helicopters, well they are mainly used as a prairie dog type weapons platform. They pop up, fire their missiles and drop out of sight. Rarely would you see a chopper loiter around a target like you see in the game. Again, too UNFAIR as far as I'm concerned. I hope they make aircraft more vulnerable in the next patch IF there is one.

[DarkObsidian]

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This is the equivilent of a player being able to enter a building that is entirely sealed up and invulnerable, but being able to shoot out at other people through some sort of pinhole where they can't be shot back from. There's no real skill involved.

You'd still have people on this forum saying, "that just means ur not skilled enuff 2 get into a building and do the same!" in reply to someone's thread calling for C4 being able to blow up that building.

There is no real measure of skill here, people. Trust me. Within 10 minutes of learning how to take off and fly/turn/dive/climb, I was able to stay airborne for as long as I choose to. At first I would freak out and wiggle around when shot at with AA and AARAMs, but after a short while I realized they weren't scratching me.

All it takes is a slight turn in any direction (And lots of times not even that if the enemy isn't shooting at you from VERY close behind) to shake off swarms of missiles.

It's broken. Let the jets keep their manuverability, their speed, their armor, all the stats. But give AA sites as good a chance of destroying them as the jet's bombs have of destroying ground targets.

Then it would take REAL skill to shake a missile lock, rather than the amazing flying n00bs who are on here right now arguging against balance. These are the same kids who if it wasn't for armor and jets to protect them against normal infantry, would be googling for BF2 online cheats.

I don't think some of you are getting the big picture here....
For those of you complaining about balancing armor etc. Think this through.
A tank rolls up to you and aims the barrel at you. Yea? You're dead. Whatever you do, you're going to either get hurt severly or die. It's how it works. Now, what seems to go flying over your head like the jet that just bombed you for sitting in an AA turret is. AA requires some skill, it's not just click and go. Scenario: You're in an AA turret, you see a jet heading towards you. You lock on and fire. WRONG.

This is how it's done. Stay out of the turret until you spot a jet. You let the jet fly overhead, as soon as it's directly over you, jump in, lock on, launch. If you do it right, you can hit it. I've done it, it seems many others have too. Theres a reason for 1,000 lb bombs and the like. AIR HAS THE ADVANTAGE!

[a1pointguard]

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[a1pointguard]

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[The_Warmachine]

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I'd also like to see more balance in the way aircraft take damage. Frankly, 1 missile should mean death when it hits. Yes, this would seem a little harsh, but when on-average maybe 1 out of every 100 AA missiles will actually hit, and it takes 2 to down a jet, it's just thrown all out-of-skew.

I'd like to see machineguns and flak do more damage as well. Personally, I think when a jet takes a certain amount of flak damage, it has to land to get repaired. When moving at 900mph, do you realize what kind of stress is put on the airframe? Especially when the skin is pockmarked with damage.

I say, let SAWs do heavier damage to a jet (Their armor isn't that great, really. You can shoot a hole into the skin of a jet with a pistol.) and that damage needs to be catalogued. Say a jet has 15 "hitpoints", which are those bars.

If I spray one as it comes down for a bombing run with my SAW, it should do 1 point of damage to it. If I do it again, it should do 2. If the jet accelerates up to say, 900mph, that damage needs to start ticking downwards. Lets say, 1 hitpoint for every 5 or 10 seconds at 900+mph thrust. This would be your jet's skin starting to warp and peal as air catches on the bullet holes. This is how it really happens, as a hull can't cope with that sort of pressure.

Example:

My jet takes damage from a SAW as it dive-bombs something. My jet took 2 points of damage. It is now at 13/15 health.

I continue playing, cruising at about 800-850mph. Lets say I need to go evasive for whatever reason, so I reef into a hard turn/dive which puts my speed up to 1050mph. After 5 seconds, I take 2 more damage. If I continue this high speed for another 5 seconds, I take 2 more damage. So on and so on.

Now if I get to 7/15 health, instead of being able to fly-by repair on airfields, I have to land to have the repairs done. Because simply speaking, it makes more sense to have the holes patched by the invisible ground crew that's supposed to be at the airfield.

This is just a suggestion for helping to balance things. There are plenty of good ideas, most of which involve improved AA and man-portable missiles. (Someone wasn't sure earlier. It's the SA-7 that was most-popular as the shoulderfired Soviet missile. It's called the Grail.)

Mainly, I want to see small arms doing more damage to jets.