I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

[imported_The 13th Raptor]

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Yea I can say something else, but it seems that you just aren't getting it. Prove to me the AA is broken. TK Machine? Meh, so you can hit planes then eh? You just keep hitting the ones with X's over them. I see the problem now and it's not the AA. Death trap? As I said before, don't sit in the turret, prone next to it, get in a building next to it. HIDE! Don't sit in it otherwise it's gonna get you killed. Think about what you type before you do it, you'll end up in a better conversation that way.

When a missle is locked on an enemy, more often not it will miss the helicopter 30 meters away, swerve off in some random direction and hit a friendly somewhere and cause me minus points for teamdamaging, or teamkilling.
To me that means the tracking system is broken.
Your suggestions are as basic as they come, they were used in bf1942 even. problem with bf2 jets is that before you get in the turret and aim it for the enemy, the jet will be so far away that you cant astablish a lock, and you can forget about hitting a jet not flying directly away from you.

[A$$a$$ination]

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I am so incredibly sick of people relating this game to closely to real life. It is not real life, you can't make a game that imitates real life exactly and quite frankly it wouldn't be fun. You want realism join the army and stop playing GAMES.

[Ruhanga]

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I am so incredibly sick of people relating this game to closely to real life. It is not real life, you can't make a game that imitates real life exactly and quite frankly it wouldn't be fun. You want realism join the army and stop playing GAMES.

America's Army? Anybody?

[RavenRealms]

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I am so incredibly sick of people relating this game to closely to real life. It is not real life, you can't make a game that imitates real life exactly and quite frankly it wouldn't be fun. You want realism join the army and stop playing GAMES.

Don't worry, dude. It's just technology advancing. Games are becoming more and more realistic every day. Nothing to be afraid of.

[majsmt]

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it seems that everyone agrees that AA dont work.posters on both sides of this issue even seem to agree for the most part its not effective.every aspect of the game has balance. if i can kill you then you have some way to kill me.in every case this is short of useing the same instrument.example you do not need to command a tank to destroy a tank.the only exception to this rule is jets because the supplied instrument, AA, dont work.just fix the weapon or give us a new one that works.just my observations ,not complaining, i play the game in its current format but i think it can be improved.

[[RNS]_[}{]ightower]

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I know you all probably think I'm just saying this because I'm not a pilot...maybe that's true, but here me out. Airpower is just ripping apart this game. If the other time has 1 more good pilot than yours, first off, any strategy or team work becomes impossible. If you are getting shot at by a sniper you can take cover in an area where he can't get you, and perhaps sneak up behind him. If you see a tank coming, you can run to an area where it can't get you. But when there's airpower in the game all you can do is get in the AA, get in another aircraft, or die. AA is luck as far as I can see, and airpower...well, what the heck kind of strategy or teamwork could you use there? Aircraft is just about aim and experience as far as I can see. Second, where's this rock paper scissors system EA speaks of? If air is paper, what are the scissors? AA misses 90% of the time, and gets a team kill another 7% for no logical reason. Meanwhile it just takes one quick swoop from the heli or jet and that AA is blown to bits. Worst of all is the ability they have to repair. If you damage a heli or jet (damage a jet, aren't I hiliarous), you can get it off your teams back for a few seconds, but get no credit for your help. Fourth, airpower has no reflection on the skill of who it kills, just on the one doing the killing, unlike infantry, tanks, and maybe even AA. It is just like artillery, you simply need to stay out of large crowds and hope to god you get lucky. I don't have anything against pilots. I don't blame them for using airpower while it is there, but the airpower is just taking so much out of the game.

Dude, don't let the game ruin you! You sound like a mess. You're taking this game way too seriously. Just relax and have fun anyway you can.

[imported_Demon6]

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What is your source of information stating that planes shouldn't go below 1000 m in Afghanistan and Iraq? If this is real information and not something you've conjured up to make a point, this is merely a safety measure and to protect our planes from any would-be threat. We can't afford to buy new planes at the time. I can honestly say that the odds of someone having ISLA or STINGER missles, or even launchers for either, are HIGHLY unlikely. Most of Afghany and Iraqi insurgents are using leftovers from Russia's invasions. FYI, STINGERS can hit targets as high as 3800m so that blows your point out of the water. Not sure the specifics on ISLA.

Actually I am not sure whether it was 3000 feet or 3000 meters. We have metric system here but it is not an information I invented. I read it in a book about Gulf War I and it was mentioned before Afghanistan and was mentioned during discussions about friendly fire in the news. Some said that rule for flying high was to blaim for FF.

About weapons in Afghanistan. I do not know how old are you and how long can you remember but in the 1980's CIA gave a ****load of Stingers to Taliban to fight Russian Hinds, MiGs and Sukhois. Guess what, it worked. Russians never went down under 3000 meters with their planes unless it had to be done. Their losses multiplied and Hind threat was brought to almost zero. Without air cover they could not fight effectively and had great losses. After few years they withdrew from Afghanistan but a lot of Stingers stayed there. Also a lot was sold around the world.

Igla is a Russian system similar to Stinger, an improvement over Sa-7 Grail (Russian name Strela). In the war fought here 10 to 15 years ago Croatian army downed a few dozen Serbian aircraft using Grails. Mind you Serbs had Mig-21 and a few Mig-29 jets that are not very good but Croatian Grails were shot by common people with no or very little military training and they had more then 50% hits. So I would call those missiles a real threat to low flying aircraft. Iraq had a great number of these missiles in storage and it would be sure to asume that Iraqis have taken a number of these so the threat is real and US planes bomb with laser and GPS guided bombs from a higher altitude.

[imported_Demon6]

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And in response to Demon6's post,
Tool isn't alone, I do it, ever had a game where aircraft wasn't a major problem? I'm gonna try and quote Futurama off the top of my head, "If you do your job right, no one notices at all" -The Nebula Bender called God.(Though I am atheist, please please, don't bring religion into this, thats not what my intent was lol).

Landing to resupply? What about the players who don't have joysticks? That would make it more difficult than people already say it is, you can't fix a problem by causing another. People are already complaining about how hard it is to fly.

Of course I had it but it was a very rare. Planes impose u problem because people do not do their job. I am very happy when I play with my friend and he keeps enemy planes of our back but in most cases it isn't so.

Look at BlackHawk whoring before 1.03 patch. It wasn't supposed to be played like that but it was. You could also say that people did not do their job because there should have been a squad or two guarding a flag point but the fact is that BlackHawk whoring ruined the game cause it was hard to fight against that. I am saying that planes do it now cause it is way too hard to fight them and it shouldn't be like that. We find grounds for that in reality but all we seek is a well balanced game to play cause when you get bombed all the time and you see people who ruin the game for others get awarded with a ****load of points it is not all that fun.

When someone runs around you can kill with anything in this game, when someone is driving a tank you can kill him with a rocket, with a ground defense rocker, a mine, C4, a plane, a heli or a another tank. When someone is flying a helicopter you can shoot him down with a bigger gun, a tank, a transport with a gun, a plane, other helo... but a plane can be shot downl only with another plane. Not fair... it should be changed.

[A$$a$$ination]

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Don't worry, dude. It's just technology advancing. Games are becoming more and more realistic every day. Nothing to be afraid of.

Ok i was just having a vent. I'm not afraid of it, I actually embrace it. What i meant was i'm sick of people saying things like 'the real J10 jet can shoot these super duper titanium bullets and shoot down a plane with just two of them blah blah blah' and then whine because it's not the same in game.

Balance issues in game are a completely different matter though and i can't add much that hasn't already been said.

[A$$a$$ination]

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America's Army? Anybody?

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the army drop useing the game to train it's troops because it wasn't realistic enough.

[imported_bigpappa]

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i told ya i would see you all on monday...long live this lame thread.

[DarkObsidian]

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Raven:
Yes it would stop him from doing it. Letting frusteration out is good, giving it to other people? Bad.

CS-Evolution:
It seems to be a plague, everyone likes to burden their problems on others for support. P.S. Use a gausan (sp?) blur in PS to fix the jagged sides.

13th-Raptor:
Heh, thats never happened to me. Do I have to tell you that it's your fault again or are you going to learn on your own?
To you, thats your opinion, not a fact.
Ever heard the term "Back To The Basics"? That applies here.
Sometimes simplicity is the answer. They worked in Battlefield 1942, and they work in Battlefield 2. Jets flying by too fast? Well, again, your end.
Maybe you could kindly ask them to slow down? :P

@$$a$$ination:
Battlefield 2, and other games are based on real life, why shouldn't they be compared? It's a war SIMULATION.

Majsmt:
No.

Demon6:
You originally said 1000m.
The Gulf War and the current war are different in many ways.
I don't see where theres proof that they still had STINGERS but I can see where it'd be a precaution, however, our jets are so fast now, they wouldn't have time. Also, a good ammount of the bombers in Iraq are/were B-1's. Where is all this information coming from? I've never heard of ISLA, and did a short search and found nothing that pertains to it, so i can't say anything with regards to that.

Thank you for proving my point, it's not the system's balance. It's the other players. BH whoring is something entirely different. You CAN kill a plane with an AA turret. Never tried mobile AA, but it's probably possible. By the way, what helos have you been destroying with a tank? O.o Seems to me that can take quite a beating. This game is about tactics, not who has the bigger gun.

[BurnTheWeed]

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Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the army drop useing the game to train it's troops because it wasn't realistic enough.

Dunno, but the Swiss army is using the BF2 engine.

http://www.gamespace.nl/article.php?story=20040928205902843&mode=print

[imported_bigpappa]

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once i had a goldfish but it drowned

[Mister-T]

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I was curious to see how work AA offline, No luck there no map with plane when you play with bots.

AA when used offline seem too work pretty well. And even with flare, it's difficult to avoid them !

For me it's obvious, the problem come from how they are handled when used online. They seem to be higly depend to client latency (ping).



Blue is the position seen by the client, Green is the "real" position on the server and arrow is the missile.

To see a full explanation see there

http://www.nofrag.com/forums/battlefield2/30863/

It's in french but there is a lot of screenshoots and graphics to help to understand