I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

[CaptainPuffy]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

I cant wait for the next 32 page thread to start when AA missiles get improved and avid plane users start to complain because there days of pwning the skies are over.

My .02c
1) AA needs to be improved.
2) jets should NOT be nerfed.
3) This is not a combat sim, nor a plane sim, this is first person shooter based loosly on reality, but sacrifices realism for balance.

If anyone thinks that this is a simulation, then I would like to understand the technology in real life that allows a plane to be repaired refuled and rearmed while it flys over an air strip with out the assistance of any other person or vehicle. Or how a pilot can be respawned infront of a plane only 15 seconds after being shot down. If we take these two features away from this game, then I will concede and call it a simulation. Until then its a first person shooter...not a first person simulation.

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

i wonder if this thread will make it to 50 pages

[HABO3]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

ok I gotta question...

I've used the mobile AA alot and I've managed to take out a few (not very bright) pilots but in the case where the pilot is even just a decent one all he has to do is make a run at my vehicle, throw flares, drop bombs and all my missiles will miss. That's if he doesn't have a co-pilot, if he does have one then he only needs to line me up for all of two seconds and let the co-pilot take a shot and I'm blown to bits in which case I might be able to get one burst from my gun and no more than two missile shots at him. So how would improving AA or nerfing the jets still keep a bomber from just using the tactic of throwing flares and then dropping bombs??? I'm all for balancing the game but if they made it to where your stingers could still hit a jet while it's already thrown flares then I could see a case for pilots to start bitching about getting their precious bombers nerfed.

[DarkObsidian]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

I cant wait for the next 32 page thread to start when AA missiles get improved and avid plane users start to complain because there days of pwning the skies are over.

My .02c
1) AA needs to be improved.
2) jets should NOT be nerfed.
3) This is not a combat sim, nor a plane sim, this is first person shooter based loosly on reality, but sacrifices realism for balance.

If anyone thinks that this is a simulation, then I would like to understand the technology in real life that allows a plane to be repaired refuled and rearmed while it flys over an air strip with out the assistance of any other person or vehicle. Or how a pilot can be respawned infront of a plane only 15 seconds after being shot down. If we take these two features away from this game, then I will concede and call it a simulation. Until then its a first person shooter...not a first person simulation.

Heres my explanation:

A. While it IS a combat simulation. Break the world down, look it up on dictionary.com to figure out what it means. Hey, if you want realism that bad, when you die, leave the server. EnJoY!

B. I'm sure you'd be complaining about landing and then hitting choppers, and nubs who like to run down the runway. What really is the situation here? Are you going to complain about everything?
Heres a taste of reality for you that works with almost everything, adapt or leave. I'm tired of hearing whining, I just got out of a game a little while ago after taking down 2 jets and a helo or two. Don't tell me the AA doesn't work.

And hey, I'll share a tip with you.
Most pilots will try and ignore the lock on sign and change their camera views to monitor themselves. Launch rocket #1, they see it coming, they drop their flares, launch #2. This requires precise timing however. This is mainly where you guys are losing them, the rocket follows them, however, when they drop the flares, your rockets follow the flares :)

EDIT: The text wouldn't accept my example made of /'s lol sorry guys ^_^

[PsYcHo.KiLLa]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

Download The Project Reality Mod



+aa

+realism

[RavenRealms]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

DarkObsidian: Did i tell you that you had to read it? Did i say "EVERYONE READ THIS!" Nope. I sure don't remember saying that.

I just rest with the fact that there are some people out there who like to know that it isn't just them who is angry about the cheap players in the game.

[Keyser Soze]

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Meh. I shot down 2 fighters, 2 blackhawks and a cobra in one round last night using AA.

The AA is fine. It's all about your timing.

BULLCHIT!

[BirdKiller]

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Keyser, if you don't have the guts to use such word with the spelling 100% correct, don't bother using it at all. Misspelling the word on purpose just butchers the worthless word than it already is.

You know, i'm quite surprised this thread hasn't gotten a lock yet...

[Ruhanga]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

After I tried AA, I found that its all right.

I shot down 7 times a bomber down, 12 copters and one paratrooper.

[groundpounder96]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

Hey man, you think the Marines in Iraq complain about air support? its all a part of war. It adds realism to the game and makes it s MODERN war game.

[Ruhanga]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

Hey man, you think the Marines in Iraq complain about air support? its all a part of war. It adds realism to the game and makes it s MODERN war game.

Repent sinner! Go back to your hell hole! Halleluja!

Seriously, which is this game, a arcade or a simulation?

[The_Warmachine]

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I am so incredibly sick of people relating this game to closely to real life. It is not real life, you can't make a game that imitates real life exactly and quite frankly it wouldn't be fun. You want realism join the army and stop playing GAMES.

And I'm incredibly sick of seeing a percentage of people who play online games take advantage of broken content, then complain and whine when others call for a fix. Lets face it, if these jet whores were really skilled, they -wouldn't- worry about ground defenses being able to do more than make them drive back to the airfield once every 15 minutes to repair from that 1 lucky stinger hit out of 50.

I think the validation here of the problem is that the usual suspects (Those who contribute nothing to the discussion, and have only "omg u don't like it then leave!" to say) are defending the broken AA issues, and have no suggestions on how to even things out.

These are obviously the same people who either 1) Have never used the AA and stand around on the helo pads all game. Or 2) Are happy that they can't be killed by AA unless they TRY to get themselves blown up.

Just for kicks, I logged into an Oman map yesterday and sat myself down at the AA site at the airfield. I knew the US jets would be coming to strafe the spawn site. So.. I took aim and waited. I did several tests.

1) I fired the second I got a tone, not even a lock. It was like ****ing into the wind. No effect. I tried this several times.

2) I waited until I got a lock and then fired at extreme range. Nothing. My missiles flew straight at the jets, half the time they didn't even deploy their flares, and my missiles would still randomly curve away at the last second.

3) Waited until I got a lock at close range and fired. Found that unless the enemy is flying STRAIGHT at me, or STRAIGHT away from me, my missiles can't turn fast enough. If they're coming straight at me, the AA missiles are more prone to follow the enemy jet for 200 meters, then suddenly turn and slam into a friendly chopper 500 meters away instead.

4) Getting someone's permission to do so, I did a few experiments. I had him go up in a jet. When he flew by chasing an enemy jet, I'd fire. My missiles were 85% more prone to TURN and hit him than they were to even chase the enemy jet. - When he flew by being chased by an enemy jet, I'd fire. My missiles were 91% more prone to shoot PAST the enemy jet and hit the friendly.

Clearly, this is a flawed system.

[Rincewind01]

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The Jihads die from planes, why not the jihads in game?

[CS-Evolution]

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I think the validation here of the problem is that the usual suspects (Those who contribute nothing to the discussion, and have only "omg u don't like it then leave!" to say) are defending the broken AA issues, and have no suggestions on how to even things out.

Say what??? Its a small select handful of people who have decided to come here and whine about their perceived domanance of airplanes. We're just responding to say that just because you say something is obviously flawed does not mean it is so. In my experience, the jet dominance is nowhere near what people here inflate it to be. I'm going to defend my enjoyment of the game as it stands rather than let a small but vocal handful of people convince the developer something is wrong simply because they perceive it to be.


The fact is this. People like Harmor have a bad round where their precious tank was bombed four times by the same plane and then come on here and bitch.

And before you respond, please look at my stats. I am not an avaitor, and I don't sympathize with them. But I don't buy this ******** arguement that airplanes are ruining the game one bit.

[imported_RicRogue]

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Ok, I figured I would add my two cents.

I hate planes.

BUT

Aircraft is always a killer in war. Infantry don't run around with stingers. There are not AA station conveniently located around the battlefield. Therefore Airpower is always in a superior role.

In war, the only thing that can reliably take out aircraft is aircraft. I also hate artillary, but it is also a part of war.