Don't nerf the Blackhawk

[Grey Fox]

No it doesn't.... If there was an exact weapon for every oposition weapon the game would get really boring. Its like playing US vs. US, yea it'll still be fun but not as fun as it is now.

The way people whine now they just start crying about any weapon that can beat them when they're in a lower position.

Ground troops can easily take out a low hovering blackhawk, its just that NOBODY TRIES! When i'm running around trying to hit it with C4 or an AT rocket i see other people standing next to jeep guns, AA, and other weapons doing nothing.

Like people said, any team working as a TEAM will slaughter the other side. So why punish people working in the blackhawk as a team?

I've only tried it once and like people have said in this thread, its not as easy as it looks because some people do try to take it down now with interesting methods.

Though i do agree that larger weapons should be able to take down BH's in one shot. It should only take one AT rocket to put the BH into the red, and one tank shell should drop any helicopter. Its already very difficult to actually hit a heli with a tank shell, but one hoving very still over a flag is an open target and should have the vulnerability.

I'm not whining at all, I've simply analized the situation and come to the conclusion that the BH is overpowered and unbalances the game.
teamworking in a BH, if you can call it teamwork is extremly easy compared to the ground, everyone sits in their designated positions and just does one task like wrenching, shooting or flying, non off those requires much skill, not even the flying, cause the BH fly's really easy.

It has more armor then a tank, it can be often repaired more rapidly than it can be damaged, you can respawn in it. It has very powerfull guns that can take out everything exept a tank very fast, and in the case of infantry you just have to shoot in their general direction.

and there is nothing that can take it out in one shot, if it is hit, it can easly move out of the area very fast, and can go over building and water ,where it cannot be follow by most of the enemy, while still beeing repaired.

The BH often take flags that are not guared closly, and it usually fly's circles around a heavle defended flag, in shic case it is almost impossble to take down, the AT rockets leave a trace in which direction the gunner can fire and kill the immidietly + hitting a circling heli is more a matter of luck then skill. and if it is hit it can be easly and fast repaired or move out very fast. The is useless, also cause the Bh can realease flares, and even without them the chance of beeing hit is small, and even then it can be repaired and the gunners can take out the aa easly.

On the other hand none of the airplanes has such a significant advantage over one another, and the planes can keep each other busy very often. Plus a plane has to go back to is base to rearm bombs, the pilot has to make decisions very fast and aiming bombs is pretty hard, and he can´t take out aa that easy, and bombing at a fast speed, while your head hurts from the dammed lock on waring is hard. Plus once again, none of teh sides has that big of an advantage over the other. yes the J10 is good but not soo good that it unbalances the game.

You say, it´s teamwork, then you won´t mind the deathray guns beeing removed from the heli´s will, you case you can still do all the other stuff, exept use it as a grim reaper vehicle, then it would be about teamwork and not just about racking up as much points as you can while circling a flag. The BH was meant to be a trasporter, not the grim reaper vehicle.

But hey, if you want to play this way and you disagree with, thats fine by me, I never think shout or curse at BH people. But I expect you to have the same courtsy when I ramm you with my jet.

[dmonkey]

If the blackhawk is just circling, wait until it is in range before letting off, they move too fast to be hit by an AT rocket from more than a hundred meters away. Blackhawks need to have better positional damage though, a hit to the rotor with an anti-TANK rocket should at least put it into the red zone. The only weakspot I know of right now is right on the minigun, which is almost impossible to hit.

[Cutter]

Yes, EA please put an end to BH whoring. Nerf the blackhawks.

[dmonkey]

No, don't do it! I enjoy savoring well earned points from flying around in an aerial tank!

[Patrone]

Maybe it could help if the flag is on top of a bunker so it cant be capped out of the air. It then needs infantry to clean the bunker first. If the bunker isn't occupied by own forces the BH still can cap it. To avoid the problem that the BH takes all the flags before the bunkers can be occupied the BH should enter the map a little later (+1 min). I would like the bunkers of Call of Duty where you need some infantry to cap them...

BTW there is no need to place the bunkers above the ground - they can be underneath...

and - if someone is in the bunker he can't be seen by the commander (the way it is now is actually bullsh.. because a commander can see anyone - even the guys deep in the buildings with his uav and scanner)...

[ArmyOfOne*]

I dont think the chopper should be nerfed at all. In Rl, the Bh is better then those other POS choppers. I can agree with the others becoming more pwoerful, but the blackahwk cannot be weakened.

Its not too hard to take them out. I was in the clone server and my firned and I decided to for the rest of the round try and eliminate the BH threat. I used an eryx he(onlyinajeep4x4) used a vodnik. It was slightly challenging(got a TOn harder after I called out the clone crew and told them to come to my base so I could kill them) to bring it down. I could hit inside with a rocket, wipe out theri engies, then fire anotehr and bring it down. Very rewarding to take it down fully laoded. Ill give you a little taste of it though.

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[yas32]

nerf it all
better yet why not just buy back the game from all the cry babys
nerf the bh then what nerf the 203/gp30 m1abrams/t90 cobra/z10
after all that nerf the m16/ak101 then sidearms hell nerf the knives (you know the guys who run around and bunny hop laying down trying too knife you and succeed from 5 feet away thats alot less reality then a true bh)
and after it all nerf the upgrades why not run around and just use spitballs
bh's do not last long in the air when the opposing team counter them
not like i never seen 3 at's gang on 1 bh in 1 second
make a sqaud and communicate using the VOIP that the BH team is using and make the difference and stop whining
if you nerf it whos gonna fly it and why?
and btw if u put 1 at right in the pilots face he dies, and you get a huge window of opportunity too finish it off b4 someone gets smart and takes over flying

[ArmyOfOne*]

You seem like the grinch....you're my hero.

[Frenchman]

It is extremely easy to kill a hovering Blackhawk. It's difficult to kill a orbiting Blackhawk. The AT missles, nade launchers and C4 sometimes will allow you to kill a hovering blackhawk. Tanks and APCs too perhaps. An orbiting Blackhawk is next to impossible to hit with AT missles and nade launchers, and C4 is obviously out. That leaves you tanks and APCs. Because of the rather limited traverse and elevation limits of these weapons, that seems pretty darn unlikely.

I left out the only weapon really capable of taking down a Blackhawk, and that's the PKM, or the various jeep guns. Those are really your only bets, and you have to kill the engineers first and then hunt them down. This is generally a losing game though, because they can fly around pwning people and when they get close to dead, they run away and repair. Remember the phrase "as the crow flies" in relation to distance? Yea, you're most likely out of luck trying to hunt down a Blackhawk when it goes to repair.

You people who think it's really easy obviously haven't fought an orbiting Blackhawk, because it's not the cakewalk you make it out to be.

[yas32]

but its true
we all hate something and then again we use it when it benefits us and cry when it does not
hypocrits
these people are the same ones who probably spawn kill with armor and even tk if they cant drive the armor or fly the choppers

[yas32]

You people who think it's really easy obviously haven't fought an orbiting Blackhawk, because it's not the cakewalk you make it out to be.

lol its called being patient and waiting on it too stop orbiting
everything that goes up must come down

[Teaves]

Dont get me wrong, i do use it and exactly BECAUSE its so overpowered i can sit here eating my dinner and talking on the phone and still get 150 points+ and no deaths every round, but i feel so guilty doing it, does any else start to really feel sorry for all the peeps on the ground, especially when you get 10+ kills in 2 seconds from a flag rape?

We have all shot down heli's before, but its usually when they make a mistake (or a lucking shot) i am sure equally we have all been in one of the BH's that is completly unstoppable, it goes something like this:

1)3 Engineers in that back,
2)A good pilot (as medic)
3)with both door gunner playing support to reload the landmines so engineers can simply drop them on tanks roof while hovering well above their turret elavation.

the biggest (only) threat then is the mounted MG's on jeeps etc, but in the split second it takes a pilot to rotate his gunner onto target, the damage he can inflict is simply laughed off by the mechanics reading a newspaper in the back, heck even 1 Engineer makes you immune to anything but co-ordinated defense, but its the fully tooled up "flying fortress's" we are all concerned about. it simply has no comparison on the other teams. Hence the fact that some people (stat whores) use nothing but the BH, round after round after round after ........

[SirAndrew]

i think all aa guns in this game are very underestimated in terms of fire power

we have static at guns - one shot - one kill...
why not the same thing with an aa weapon?

maybe in the future .. in a mod or a patch..

[yas32]

still part of the game as is everything else
why fly it if it has paintball guns and no use?

[Teaves]

lol its called being patient and waiting on it too stop orbiting
everything that goes up must come down

Also with a full crew of six there is no need to stop orbitting, the flag capping range in the helicopters is huge AND its simple numbers that win (you can still cap a flag unless there are seven or more within HALF the range) you can cap in less then 10 seconds easilly and then ground troops can pour out the flag spawn and defend while you can hop off to thr next flag.

If you havent seen these devastating runs online, brace yourself, there simply is nothing you can do about it. If you kill a BH, they made a mistake (in load-outs or tactics) its as simple as that.