Originally posted by S_t_a_l_i_n
I the chopper hovers it is a suitable platform to empty your guns
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The resupply guy comes in handy there - he can resupply you racking up points...
I the chopper hovers it is a suitable platform to empty your guns -
ya? and u know what else?? ppl r just gonna ***** about support explioting the fact that they can gain a ton of resupply points on a BH, making it worse!! DICE, just make it so that engineers cannot repair while airborne, and make the miniguns over heat a bit faster!!!Comment
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blackhawks are fine - they're fun to kill with and they're fun to kill. i think tonight next time i'm on mashtuur i'll form a blackhawk-hunting squad - 5 ATs and maybe a support or medic - use voice and all launch rockets at the same time...no more bhComment
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@ OriginalGangster
Thank you .. finally .. for all people that still dont understand .. dont run away from the BH, and definately dont crawl back under your rock ... just kill the thing .. all maps have plenty of jeeps, AT and support running around .. so just take it down .. make it a .. well .... game ... first to kill the thing gets up to 6 kills....sound unbelivable .. go try it.Comment
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Just get rid of that ridiculous spash damage. Makes the guns like those of the Chinese/MEC transport choppers.Originally posted by S_t_a_l_i_n
Easy...done.Comment
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Originally posted by WrAth2110
In case you didnt know, the BH can stay ABOVE the height the Tanks or apc's shoot at, and still cap the flag, in fact the only 2 wepons that are really any good against it are the AT and grenade launcher, but again, a good BH pilot want be worried about these, especially as he can repair himeslf, heal the crew, re-arm the crew, and anyone that dies can insta respawn into it, wow the balance :laugh:
As many others have said, i would agree with ANY or ALL of the following:
A) shouldnt be able to cap flags from Heli's (or armour but that more risky for the drivers with C4) or at least just count it as one person, a good pilot can ALWAYS capture a flag regardless of defense, as they can get SIX! people closer to the flag then you can on the ground, let alone finding 6 people that arnt just hiding
B) cant repair the BH from inside (for realism if nothing else)
C) cant spawn into the helicopters
D) either add a ammo counter to the mini-guns, or half their overheat time, or even add a "reload" fuction to waste time, so they cant just sit there hosing anything that moves.
Im sure there are other good ideas as well, but ATM the only thing they are doing for sure is the capping, im sure everyone will be in denial, but they are DEFINATLY making it so you cant cap from the air at the next patch.
The way the BH is atm, i really dont see how using that is any different from stat padding with the medic knife>revive>knife thing. yo ucan EASILLY rack up 150+ every single round, and 300+ isnt impossible. When you look at all the top scorers nearly to the man, then they all have horrific hours in the heli's for all of the above reasons.
Of course another reason would be to leave it exactly the same, but make it so you cant get any points (not a single one) from the chopppers. It may sound a ludicrous idea, but many people would still use it when needed (the ones that aren't stat whores, but it would at least stop it being the games most popular (and unbalanced) VehicleComment
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I totally agree of course, but most of the time, in public servers, you simply wont find that amount of teamwork, i always shoot at it myself, die and spawn to a better kit and keep trying and sometimnes do take it down, but to think its easy is misguided, just one engineer in the back can repair the damge from one AT guy, a good pilot simply wont let himself be hit more then twice (he can just fly away remember to a safe flag)Originally posted by monkton
In reality with the right load-out you wont even make him flinch even if you hit him with everyone you have, we have all been in an "unstoppable" blackhawk, that is taking constant fire with nothing the enemy can do to stop you (especially on maps with no planes) in fact i often feel so guilty in those situations i parachute out and do something else it has got so silly.Comment
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dont nerf the black hawk if you do I wont have as much fun when i ram the mec chopper into that suckaComment
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Funny that so many people want to kill a great part of the game just because they don't benefit from it......
Lets remove jets while we're at it because i keep getting bombed while capping a flag.... oh wait..... THATS EXACTLY WHY THEY HAVE BOMBS!
How pitiful, stop whining and learn how to fight.
You have to remember that if there is anybody within the flag radius from your team then the blackhawk can't fully capture the flag and it has to stick around longer. If you don't have a weapon that can affect the BH then just sit tight and hold the flag while the AT's, Spec ops, and assault let loose on it.Comment
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The airplanes don't unbalance the game, the BH do.Originally posted by ThamethFunny that so many people want to kill a great part of the game just because they don't benefit from it......
Lets remove jets while we're at it because i keep getting bombed while capping a flag.... oh wait..... THATS EXACTLY WHY THEY HAVE BOMBS!
How pitiful, stop whining and learn how to fight.
You have to remember that if there is anybody within the flag radius from your team then the blackhawk can't fully capture the flag and it has to stick around longer. If you don't have a weapon that can affect the BH then just sit tight and hold the flag while the AT's, Spec ops, and assault let loose on it.Comment
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No it doesn't.... If there was an exact weapon for every oposition weapon the game would get really boring. Its like playing US vs. US, yea it'll still be fun but not as fun as it is now.Originally posted by Grey Fox
The way people whine now they just start crying about any weapon that can beat them when they're in a lower position.
Ground troops can easily take out a low hovering blackhawk, its just that NOBODY TRIES! When i'm running around trying to hit it with C4 or an AT rocket i see other people standing next to jeep guns, AA, and other weapons doing nothing.
Like people said, any team working as a TEAM will slaughter the other side. So why punish people working in the blackhawk as a team?
I've only tried it once and like people have said in this thread, its not as easy as it looks because some people do try to take it down now with interesting methods.
Though i do agree that larger weapons should be able to take down BH's in one shot. It should only take one AT rocket to put the BH into the red, and one tank shell should drop any helicopter. Its already very difficult to actually hit a heli with a tank shell, but one hoving very still over a flag is an open target and should have the vulnerability.Comment
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You guys don't get it. I don't hate the blackhawk because it's too powerful, it's because the flying cows are just that, flying cows. The only thing that they're good for is the blackhaek gunners milking points from them. Make the MEC/Chinese choppers at least EQUAL to the blackhawk, and you will satisfy a lot of people.Comment
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If only that was true, i personnaly wouldnt have such a problem with it, but its all to do with SUPERIOR NUMBERS. An example, if you have a fully loaded black hawk (6 people) then you have to have AT LEAST 6 people on the ground BUT on the ground you have to be even closer (the "effect radius" in vehicles is doubled, healing/arming/capping) to keep the flag from moving, if you have even 5 people on the ground it will still capture at the speed of ONE person taking it alone.Originally posted by Thameth
Please check in game if you dont believe me, its easy to defend against the attack choppers for the reasons you state (PLUS they actually take less damge then a BH for some odd reason PLUS you obviously cant repair them in mid-air)
even the maps with airplanes arnt so bad, IF you can get one, and if the pilots dont just spam bomb like they usually do (especailly after a heat seeker spins out and they get punished ) but on city maps, you are screwed.
As i said before, i do shoot at them, and have taken them down a fair amount of the time, but when i use them (and have a clued up team) i guarantee you that i will go the whole round without dieing, and all the crew will have at least 150 points each. (and at least 50% of the enemy will be swearing and generally "given up") and you wont be able to shoot me down whatever you use, even a whole squad with AT. With VOIP the gunners, and passengers simply call the targets locations and the pilot rotates in on them after the first shot, the engineers are constantly repairing, as is normal in the BH.
The longer they leave it alone, the more abuse they will get from the stat whores once they do change it, so i think it needs fixing in one fell swoop.Comment
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how about we make the BH guns fire out water balloons, and all infantry can run around with these:
Then, when the match is over, we can all have a group hug over tea....
I don't like the SU-34 bombing me everytime I cap a flag, nor do I like being rammed by a F-15 either, should I start a whiny 'nerf the aircraft' thread too? Its a shame to see peeps carry on about a vehicle that can only stay in-air when the 6 guys inside it execute TEAMWORK ffs......Comment
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Yeah the ultimnate teamwork.....
step 1) Get out spanner
step 2) hold down mouse1
Variations on above - selotape mouse1 button down, go watch the TV for 20 minutes, come back to 150 points.
Wow they really need to make all the vehicles like this, everyone would rock at teamwork then also want to point out who is whining except for you? 
This may have escaped your notice but they ARE balancing the BH next patch (as they have stated several times) WHY? because its turned out that the way people use it is unbalanced, its not rocket science now is it?
The only debate here is whether simply making it impossible to cap flags from the air (which they are adding) is sufficient, and the further Pro's and Cons of this Heli, feel free to add a constructive comment.Comment
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