So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

[Solid Knight]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

Not really there is jack **** of chance hitting a plane when aimming at it with a stinger let alone accedently.

Well it usually goes something like this, you have a good shot at a plane so you fire. Half a second later a friendly plane appears between the path of the missiles and the enemy plane. The missiles go after the closest heat source. The friendly is hit.

The other popular scenario, you have a good shot at a plane so you take it. The missiles miss the plane and continue to go forward. Somewhere out of the draw distance they lock onto a friendly and hit them. This happens a lot.

You can shoot down planes with the stingers, although not as easily as helicopters you can do it. The biggest problem you will face is the missiles missing and locking on to something else. The best way to bring down an enemy plane is to lead the plane by a considerable amount. This means you'll most likely be dumbfiring the missiles however the hope is that the enemy plane will be the closest thing to the missiles and they will lock onto the plane. However sometimes a friend will appear when you don't want him to.


Anyway, I'm not trying to argue too much with you. If it is fairly deliberate I would punish as well but you have to keep in mind that the stray missiles have to go somewhere. So your buddy may have fired these missiles at something on the other side of the map but they missed then the missiles locked on to you as you flew by. The stinger missiles can go quite far. Most of the planes that I have accidentally hit were not in view nor were the missiles that I fired in view either.

[vbl]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

I punish TKs that I consider to be sloppy gameplay, like spamming an area with bullets or grenades when friendlies are present.

[spyderfenix2006]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

When i play as commander i always tell my team"ART INCOMING" and they never listen to me. i always warn them before i do the ART and i tell them not to punish for accidental TK but thay still punish because they have no life, and they dont know what a accident is.

[CS-Evolution]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

I punish when my commander keeps arty spamming the last flag, preventing his team from getting close to it.

I punish when someone is lobbing grenades all over creation to kill ONE guy.

I could probably think of more, but those are the two scenarios I ran into when I played a minute ago.

[imported_DigitalSPG]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

I will generally take each TK on its merits. However....

I will always punish a jet bombing TK. There are far to many no brain pilots who indiscriminately bomb enemy flags with total disregard to the fact that there are other ppl on their team trying to cap flags. Decent pilots check first, no TK's means no punish, simple really.

I will punish a commander for shelling me when I was there long before he sent the arty. But will never punish if i am dumb enough to drive / run in to bombardment shown on the map.

If the TK involves plain stupidity then why not punish, they have to learn some how. In the long run it might make them a better player.

I will generally forgive if there is an apology, unless you are flying a jet.

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

to keep it fair just punish all the time

[SBHC Spike]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

Punishing only promotes punishing. So are you going to be a lemming and drown in the sea?

TK on purpose to get a vehicle gets a punish, but that's not accidental. Other than that the object is to win and the player is trying to win. If I get accidentally TKed by something stupid, I'll write "nice TK", "dumb", or "dumb ass" (depending on server rules) and forgive. This game is FUBAR because you never know when you have a red tag on you. This has happened to me quite often these past 2 weeks. I've been mistaken for the enemy multiple times, and have seen red in a vehicle and killed only to kill a teammake. On top of that I saw a MEC with blue tag on the carrier. When I finally killed him (he'd killed me 3 times before I got him) the game said I TKed the motherf'er. This game has those kinds dumb ass bugs.

So, hopefully being a lemming isn't your idea of fun. To make it fair - always forgive accidental TKs and punish intentional TKs.

[DezemoDova]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

I was just curious... if you have punished a non-intentional TK, what exactly was your reasoning for doing so?

My guess is that there are very few people here (reading this forum) that punish accidental TK's b/c people spending the time reading this forum, etc. are people who like the playing the game as intended, ie. as a team whose goal is to win the map. And those people who punish TK's are little kids who bought the game just so they can spend an hour or two every now and then just running around and trying to shoot people.

you should ask that moron bigsmacktard for an answer

[-={DAC}MI7]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

when your on the pavment and you get run over

n00b tankers when under fire start reversing all over the place and start killing team mates, even if your on the pavement.. WHAT WOULD THE POLICE SAY

[vbl]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

"So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?"

60% of the time, every time.

[=HzC=7PlaGues]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

i usually only punish if the TK was on purpose and blatantly obvious..if i end up stepping on a mine, or running infront of gunfire, than thats my own fault.

[[Crazy88]Jdogg88]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

personally i have soooo many times killed a friendly with no malice intended but yet still get punished even after 15 " sorry's and sorry mans" that i simply punish for everything. you know how many times i've beat a guy to a jet only to have him stand in front of it where i cant see him, kill him and get punished? TONS!!! thats the new thing i think. you beat a guy to a plane and for that you get -6. so everytime, all the time for anything i punish. now if there is some slight chance that the friendly killed me and it was beyond his control (ie. stingers) i might forgive. but as a rule i punish all. and why not? they all punish me, and in this instance 2 wrongs DO make a right.

[imported_Got Your Back]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

Insta-punishing because you always get punished, does not help the situation. Why stoop to the level of selfish Idiocy. I NEVER punish for accidents. Now when a commander arties the place where I have been at, if I see 5,6 or more enemy kills with the strike. I do not punish him. If I see 1 or 2 enemy kills ONLY, then I will punish, cause thats just plain stupid. He could have spotted the couple enemies since there was a friendly in the area. I get auto punished all the time. I have even gotten auto punished by people in MY own squad because they run out in front of a moving vehicle. Damn Children! Gauranteed, if I was squad leader, they would have been kicked out. Not sure if they had VOIP on, but I sure let them know what I thought about that crap. lol I think that the Message to forgive or Punish should be remove & it should forgive if you don't hit Page up or down. That way you would have to look at the top message board to see who & how you were killed before making a decision. Sooner or later this Punish tk system will be improved. (or removed) Its up to the admins to take care of this stuff. Also I think that if you forgive the tk, then they should NOT lose any points. If they punish, then you should only lose a few points instead of additional points.

[Razzia.be]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

i look how it happened, most of the time it is unintentional and i dont punish :)
but when i do an unintentional tk, i always say sorry, and even then they punish, i hate that so hard

[amish marauder]

Re: So when exactly is it appropriate to punish accidental TK's?

If i cause the person to TK me, (ie: run in front of him when he's shooting, jump in front of car and get ran over, jump out of vehicle and get hit...what ever) I never punish and I instantly forgive.

if someone TK's me when its not my fault at all I wait for a sorry. If I get a sorry I forgive. if the person doesn't say sorry I punish. fair enough to me. God knows when I TK by accident, the first thing i do is say I'm sorry even when they always punish me. Thankfully I don't team kill too much.


A good example of someone saying sorry but I punish anyway after they TK me:

Team mate runs up to me. shoots me dead after looking at me for a few seconds. He says sorry. I don't punish. I respawn and he kills me again. I punish. I respawn and he kills me again. I punish. I respawn and I kill him because I'm mad at this point. he then says: "WTF?! why you do that?" I say: "because you keep team killing me!" he then states that it was a complete accident. that he didn't meant to TK me. and to get over it.

I hate those kind of players.