Roof Camping? Yes or No

[HTE1]

Legality isn't the primary issue for me, it's not really a match winning tactic and in the main I just find it a bit boring.

For instance EU campers on the building over crossroas on Berlin. Some poor souls either have to babysit the flag (once taken) or stick a beacon down and get up after them. A pain as you really want to be up at the front line.

Doublehelix is right about the bleed as well. For me 90% of the time a rocketed roof monkey falls forward off the roof ergo no revive.

On the other hand I could spend all day rocketing the dwellers of the roofs around Comm in Belgrade. So what's my point?

Meh, come down here and fight like a man! :)

[kastaldi]

I think roof camping is a lame thing such as RDX hopping and spawnkill.
If you're so good, come and kill me using "normal" means.
If you don't, you're a pathetic noob because you're are playing these tricks just to rack up some easy kills.

[ICE*T]

whining?

What are you talking about you muppet, i was asked for my opinion and i gave it. I've had idiots whining at me ever since, trying to justify their cheating.

So when someone posts a differing opnion to yours it's whining ah I see, at least I havn't started insulting people;my opinion differs from yours ;the majority of players on this forum also diasagree with you;dont let yourself down by insulting people - so you think roof camping is an exploit big deal:shakehead:i happen to think it is quite easy to combat roof campers;they are easy prey to snipers and its easy to get your own squad up there.If you've been owned by a squad on a roof ( and becoz your so annoyed about it you must have been ) maybe it suggests a lack of tactical awareness on the virtual battlefield?:laugh:I also agree with the players who post and say that it is a bum tactic it doesnt really achieve much and I wouldnt go out of my way to do it;Im the sort of player who just gets on with it on the battlefield Ill kill any sucker using questionable tactics

[Forces(UK)]

If roof-camping were the deadly exploit it's made out to be, then EU would win every time at Camp Gib, as they have plenty of time to get on the roofs ahead of the PAC. ...However, this doesn't happen, and it's simply because roof-camping can be countered with a whole host of methods, as has already been pointed out in this thread.

Playing as Commander each time, I won every game I played between 9am and 12pm today on a server which allows roof-camping. At no point did I find that roof-campers threatened my winning streak.

[nemesis908]

YES! and that is all it is.. your opinion... and your opionon can be wrong just like mine, don`t go calling anyone a cheat without the proof..

Like i said before, it's more fact than opinion. I've also posted all the proof needed to be able to call people who are blatantly exploiting, cheaters.

for.
1. It was allowed in the Beta testing under strick DICE members supervision.
2. This so called exploit has never been mentioned in any update fact file.
3. Has never been anounced by DICE or EA that it is a exploit.
4. DICE members doing it and stating that its ok.


against.
1. nemesis says its a exploit and we are all cheaters..

well nemesis, you put up such a good argument mate.. I have to go and report myself to EA for using an Exploit lol

Firstly, #3: They announced that they didnt expect it. That means, it wasnt programmed into the game, it's a result of the programming i.e. a bug that people are exploiting.

#4: So what if DICE members are doing it, it's still an exploit.

I put up an irrefutable argument, and i think you all know it. Report yourself? Don't be silly, it's already been announced that it's "legal".

So when someone posts a differing opnion to yours it's whining ah I see, at least I havn't started insulting people;my opinion differs from yours ;the majority of players on this forum also diasagree with you;dont let yourself down by insulting people - so you think roof camping is an exploit big deal:shakehead:i happen to think it is quite easy to combat roof campers;they are easy prey to snipers and its easy to get your own squad up there.If you've been owned by a squad on a roof ( and becoz your so annoyed about it you must have been ) maybe it suggests a lack of tactical awareness on the virtual battlefield?:laugh:I also agree with the players who post and say that it is a bum tactic it doesnt really achieve much and I wouldnt go out of my way to do it;Im the sort of player who just gets on with it on the battlefield Ill kill any sucker using questionable tactics

I dont have a problem with people voicing their opinions, as long as people accept mine. So far all i've recieved are derogatory comments from people who dont like my opinion. If you've got something constructive to say, say it. Because you're not going to change my opinion.

If people dont want insulting, then they shouldnt insult my intelligence. You all know you're exploiting when you rooftop camp, you can all give the excuse "well DICE do it!". At the end of the day it's a "legal" exploit, but that's no better than an exploit.

It's got nothing to do with "getting owned" by them, it's a simple matter of right and wrong. Is mugging okay because it doesnt happen to you? There are plenty of ways to avoid that too.

Oh wait, i forgot..."adapt".

It just goes to show how moral people on this forum are.

[RichardDawkins]

the problem is when you get proficient roof campers on maps like fall of berlin... that first spawn can be nigh on impossible to get past and does kind of ruin the map for the attackers, especially if they don't have the wherewithall to get up on the roofs themselves and expunge th'enemy

[MrChris_CJ]

its an annoyance at best nothing an orbital strike, pk rockets or bullet to the face wont solve

[Basil.]

I don't like it, but i don't care about either. Zeller or rockets will do the trick. Dice got better things to work on then people getting to the roof. there lots of stuff in the world that starts off as one things and ends up something else. Dice decided they liked it so there you go part of the game.

[ICE*T]

It's got nothing to do with "getting owned" by them, it's a simple matter of right and wrong. Is mugging okay because it doesnt happen to you? There are plenty of ways to avoid that too.

Oh wait, i forgot..."adapt".

It just goes to show how moral people on this forum are.

How can you compare mugging to a computer game, dont make me laff ; you can post what u want know Ive got far better things to do than argue with an individual who thinks he is the voice of morality in 2142,do yourself a favour and get off your little high horse....:laugh::laugh::laugh:who the hell are you to judge all the players on these forums?why dont you rename yourself Jesus or something

[imported_Fish]

Like i said before, it's more fact than opinion. I've also posted all the proof needed to be able to call people who are blatantly exploiting, cheaters..

sorry i have seen no such facts in this thread just your opinion.

already been announced that it's "legal".

catch 22.. who are you to say its illegal same as who am i to say is isnt.. if its been announced that it is legal weather an exploit or not gives you NO RIGHT to call people cheaters for doing it.

I dont have a problem with people voicing their opinions, as long as people accept mine. So far all i've recieved are derogatory comments from people who dont like my opinion. If you've got something constructive to say, say it. Because you're not going to change my opinion...

and you wonder why.. if you want people to say things constructive then dont slag them off.. be polite you will get further in life.

If people dont want insulting, then they shouldnt insult my intelligence. You all know you're exploiting when you rooftop camp, you can all give the excuse "well DICE do it!". At the end of the day it's a "legal" exploit, but that's no better than an exploit.

so anyone who disagrees with your opinon is insulting your intelligence and therefore you think its perfectly ok to insult them.

It just goes to show how moral people on this forum are.

there you go judging people again. you know nothing of me or many people on this forums yet you still insist that we are morally corrupt...

as i said earlier your opinion is yours and should be valued as such and anyone else opinion should be likewise.. dont condem people because they dont share the same views as you.

[nemesis908]

How can you compare mugging to a computer game, dont make me laff ; you can post what u want know Ive got far better things to do than argue with an individual who thinks he is the voice of morality in 2142,do yourself a favour and get off your little high horse....:laugh::laugh::laugh:who the hell are you to judge all the players on these forums?why dont you rename yourself Jesus or something

It's the same principal, that's how.

All you've done so far is try to mock anything i contribute, without actually contributing anything yourself. I'm not trying to be the voice of morality, i'm just not a selfish player. I like to adhere to the rules as best as possible, for the benefit of myself and everyone else. When playing i dont need to exploit to gain advantage over my opponent.

Who am i to judge? If you come here to criticise me, expect to be judged. Especially if when the OP is specifically asking for different points of view, you come on here to specifically belittle my argument. The thing is, if you've got nothing to say other than "shut up" and to spam emotes :laugh:, it doesn't work.

Also, being someone that has plenty of experience in the game, I have managed to refrain from all forms of exploiting etc, why can't you?

It's not that i'm on a high horse, it's that you're so far down there i look higher than i really am.

Rooftop exploiting is basically a form of stats padding.

why dont you rename yourself Jesus or something

Because i'm an atheist.

Seriously, at 30 years of age you'd have thought that you'd have learned to listen to and respect the opinions of others. I expected a bit more maturity from you, i guess that's too much to ask, eh?

sorry i have seen no such facts in this thread just your opinion.

The facts are in there, where i describe what exploiting is.

catch 22.. who are you to say its illegal same as who am i to say is isnt.. if its been announced that it is legal weather an exploit or not gives you NO RIGHT to call people cheaters for doing it.

I didnt say it was "illegal", are people suffering from dyslexia when reading my posts?

Also, people who exploit, are cheaters.

and you wonder why.. if you want people to say things constructive then dont slag them off.. be polite you will get further in life.

You're right i shouldnt slag people off, but i'm not the catalyst. I will be defensive if you speak to me in a way that's condescending. Condescension is insulting to my intelligence.

so anyone who disagrees with your opinon is insulting your intelligence and therefore you think its perfectly ok to insult them.

No, feel free to disagree. Just dont expect me to react well if you speak to me in a way that's condescending, or insulting to me.

there you go judging people again. you know nothing of me or many people on this forums yet you still insist that we are morally corrupt...

Notice i say people, it's non-specific as to who i am talking about.

as i said earlier your opinion is yours and should be valued as such and anyone else opinion should be likewise.. dont condem people because they dont share the same views as you.

I'm sorry, you're telling this to me? The person who's been condemned since he first gave his opinion? You're preaching to the choir.

[ICE*T]

Excuse me sir I have not mocked any of your posts;it is you who makes snidey comments and calls people names when their opnion differs from your own;what are you going to do next point out some typo errors? Come on you called me a muppet and questioned my maturity ;two pretty big insults posting :laugh::hmm: these faces arn't meant to be insulting- I think you might be a bit sensitive;I thnik whats happened here is that you posted without really thinking your argument through properly and when alot of players disagreed with you ,you didnt want to do a u-turn and lose face;its ok man your wrong and it's cool ,I merely suggested you change your name to Jesus to help reinforce your image as a moral crusader,someone who is there to judge other players above all other authorities ;perhaps virtua-jesus2142 woiuld be better hmm?hmm?

[D. Helix]

Excuse me sir I have not mocked any of your posts;it is you who makes snidey comments and calls people names when their opnion differs from your own;what are you going to do next point out some typo errors? Come on you called me a muppet and questioned my maturity ;two pretty big insults posting :laugh::hmm: these faces arn't meant to be insulting- I think you might be a bit sensitive;I thnik whats happened here is that you posted without really thinking your argument through properly and when alot of players disagreed with you ,you didnt want to do a u-turn and lose face;its ok man your wrong and it's cool ,I merely suggested you change your name to Jesus to help reinforce your image as a moral crusader,someone who is there to judge other players above all other authorities ;perhaps virtua-jesus2142 woiuld be better hmm?hmm?

Personally, I think he has better validated his arguments than most in this thread.

[Skates]

A couple of things to think about.

First from Colin on the subject of Rooftop "exploiters" on Fall of Berlin:

Really this is not an exploit by technical terms.

Two questions I ask myself are:
Does it break the level and give one side a distinct advantage that the other can not match or counter?

Is it fun?

I have not tried this one yet but I have a feeling that the answers are "no" and "yes" respectively.

Interesting bit of information - I have noticed that alot of people like playing Berlin on 64 players. I have tried it and found it great fun. I spoke with the level designer and he was horrified at first since the map was not intended to be played with that many.

When he saw that it was popular and a lot of fun he became happy and said (loosely) "well if its fun then great.......didnt think they would like that".

So - we have found we need to keep an open mind because you guys will do things we dont expect and a lot of time its a lot of fun. :)

The main thing is fun. If you guys find something going on in your server that you and your friends do not find fun then use your powers to create the environment you want. But we dont want to make official policy or hard code settings when we dont have to as it limits the variety open to you guys as players.

Second from an EA Rep contacted by a player regarding rooftop "exploits":

Thank you for contacting Electronic Arts.

The development team altered the way that the spawn beacons and pods worked so that it was more difficult to control descent. That said, since DICE has altered the mechanic, the support team has decided to take a 'hands off' approach on this issue. If a player is able to use the spawn beacon to drop onto a roof and then place a new spawn beacon there after the old one is destroyed, then this would be considered legal from a Rules of Conduct standpoint.

However, some server administrators may still consider this to be 'cheating' and they have the right to remove players who use this technique. Additionally, EA reserves the right to alter or amend this policy in the future. If the policy is changed, we will make all reasonable efforts to inform the community of the change.

If you have any further questions, please let us know.

Take care,

EA Rep Fenris
Player Relations
Electronic Arts

Third, about server owners being ablr to modify certain rules on ranked servers:

2.3.2 Allowed “In-House” Ranked Server Rules:

Server Administrators may implement and enforce rules that result in minor changes to gameplay behaviour or styles as long as these are clearly stated before a player starts playing on a server. These rules typically introduce minor restrictions on how a certain aspect of the game can be used.

I really don't see what the debate is all about. Some servers allow it and others don't. Just play on one that fits with your style of play.

I would say "Can't we end this debate" but I am sure that sometime in the next week another thread will pop up about "the stpid rooftp camprs r ruining teh game. they shud all be bannd."

[Wizrdwarts]

Wow I can't belive it took 5 pages for someone to post that....