people always tellin me to bail out?wtf

[Guest]

i just said there ARE players who may not be quite as good as you.. and u have to account for that. YES it does suck when they do stupid things and bring the team down and YES it does suck when u have just found a prime sniper spot and they STAND next to u firing wildly with a full automatic rifle....BUT thats the game...they come online to have fun and although they might not be as good as some of the others they still have the right to play and be dealt respect...

Im not talking about the people who come on and team kill and spam and wahatever else... their just idiots that have nothing better to do... im talking about the people like this thread starter who actually want to learn to play but just need a bit of common courtesy and respect along the way... this doesnt mean u have to "tutor" them, it just mean if u are getting that emotionaly cut about it move on! go play on a clan server... they shouldnt be banished from online play or certain aspects of the game just because they need a bit of play time to understand how it all works....

Well said!

[signa]

whoa dice?

dang man, we need to get you some photoshop basics :)

[Sloi sauce]

D.I. CE AB at the rescue of noobs! So romantic... :laugh:

[Lame-21CW-wannabe]

Lmao on this topic.

[Webs961]

dang man, we need to get you some photoshop basics :)

Quiet, you! That was taken in the Windows Vista Snipping Tool, and I was too lazy to go boot up my other computer with Fireworks on it.

In other news, that reputation field is something only Staff can see; I just did that to try and drive the discussion in a different direction (whether I suceeded or not is still up in the air). So you just have the pride of knowing you're 1337 to the staff.


And yes, DICE staff do post here occasionally (go to his profile and select view posts by user ).

[1con]

You know the big problem with 'practicing' in single-player mode? No lag, no ping. Any experienced helo gunner knows that single-player and online experiences differ greatly. I can hit everything on the map in single-player. You just put the crosshairs on the target. Online is somewhere behind (per his motion) where you see him.

This takes practice to learn. A lot of practice, since all the work you took to learn to put the crosshair on the target in single-player is out the window. You now have to use what you see as the target to determine its direction and then aim 'behind' it at a distance relative to its speed. You wont learn that in single player.

So the 'learn to TV in single-player' argument fails. You might learn, but you will need to re-learn online.

[Sloi sauce]

You know the big problem with 'practicing' in single-player mode? No lag, no ping. Any experienced helo gunner knows that single-player and online experiences differ greatly. I can hit everything on the map in single-player. You just put the crosshairs on the target. Online is somewhere behind (per his motion) where you see him.

This takes practice to learn. A lot of practice, since all the work you took to learn to put the crosshair on the target in single-player is out the window. You now have to use what you see as the target to determine its direction and then aim 'behind' it at a distance relative to its speed. You wont learn that in single player.

So the 'learn to TV in single-player' argument fails. You might learn, but you will need to re-learn online.

While there is an adaptation period involved, it's measured in minutes. You can easily spot the difference and correct for lag after a few test shots: Hell, if I was able to perform this correction after 10 months of strict local servers and singleplayer in Iqaluit, surely you can do it too.

The argument doesn't fail, you guys are just grasping at straws.

Edit: A further note to clarify that last statement. The argument also specifically details the use of low-player servers to adapt once an adequate level of preparation has been achieved by the would-be jet/heli pilot/gunner. Like I said, you're grasping at straws...

[1con]

While there is an adaptation period involved, it's measured in minutes. You can easily spot the difference and correct for lag after a few test shots: Hell, if I was able to perform this correction after 10 months of strict local servers and singleplayer in Iqaluit, surely you can do it too.

The argument doesn't fail, you guys are just grasping at straws.

Edit: A further note to clarify that last statement. The argument also specifically details the use of low-player servers to adapt once an adequate level of preparation has been achieved by the would-be jet/heli pilot/gunner. Like I said, you're grasping at straws...

I find it hard to believe that you were TVing everything reliably after 5 hours gunning in a chopper. I really, really do. Your the only one that can answer for that, but I find it hard to believe to be true.

I have over 75 hours in the gunner seat and still find it hard to reliably hit attack choppers. Tanks, no problem...transports,no problem...buggies, sometimes....jets occasionally.

There is a huge difference in the way TV behaves single vs online that cannot be conquered in minutes. If this were true, then you wouldnt have all those idiot gunners hopping in the chopper and ruining your game, nor would you have people (including yourself) discussing the problem with TV hitboxes.

In addition, the bots take no evasive actions. Hitting them is cake compared to a competent pilot pulling a rolling slide.

I am not trying to convince you otherwise, since you are as hardheaded as Planewhore. If you dont want to be honest with us, though, I hope you are at least honest with yourself about this.

[Chris_Redfield]

Wow, elefants stretching for straws. Youre going to sink anyway, let it go.

Lets get one thing straight first. Noone has ever said that youre going to be an uberpwner after 10 hours of SP practice (or more, depending on ones conscience). But the striking difference is-

Someone who doesnt start from SP, shooting MGs at tanks and someone who did start at SP, can down a Hip, a BHAWK and knows which weapon to shoot when. He also has his own stripes earned, and knows how things can go sour once the red cross appears.

The difference between SP and MP is not huge. Main problem is that SP is lagless, FPS-loss-less. You will get used to the hitbox lagging very fast, but you may never get used to skipping frames, low FPS and freezes.

So the 'learn to TV in single-player' argument fails.

:laugh:

[Sloi sauce]

1con, I've already elaborated quite a fair bit on this topic elsewhere, so I won't be redundant. I'm not lying to myself or anyone else, despite what you may or may not think.

[akawho07]

hello all

here we go back to the choppers solo or not . well as iam not good at all in a chopper the only time i get into one if its sat there no one about .( we have to learn )

i remember once i did jump into a chopper as gunner the pilot was a higher rank than me ( at the time ) we take off boom both died he said nothing to me i was well happy he did not go on one at me .. so there are other players out there that just play the game as a game
players like me have to have a go in the chopper ok yes weare not good at tving but with time we can get better
also when i que for a plain if a highter rank than me turns up for it i will move over and let them have it ...
akawho07

[Sparabara]

The only time I will actually fly with a noob gunner is if I'm in the mood to practice my dodging/ranging skills.

[DarQraven]

Of course there's a slight difference between offline and online. Besides hitbox lag, the TV missiles also behave a bit different due to input 'lag'.
I still sometimes mess with that after playing single/LAN for a bit, but it's easy to adjust once you know how.

Saying that you CAN'T practice offline because it is different is BS.
That would also mean that practicing BF2 as a whole offline is useless.
Thing is: this game is not only aiming skill: it's tactics as well. Once you have those tactics down, hitting stuff comes with practice. But you definitely need those basics.

Is it also BS to practice medic combat offline because there's a slight ping difference while online?

[1con]

Sure, you can practice basics. How to switch the view and guide the missle. How to aim. Sure. But basic skills arent going to make Sloi happy to fly you around. The level of skill that you need for that can *only* be acquired through online play, lots of it. Not five, ten, fifteen hours. Far more than that.

Anyone that comes online thinking they have the game figured out because they can go 27-0 against the bots offline is in for a rude awakening. Using the 'tactics' you developed against the bots against any decent player will get you crushed.

Practicing offline is like punching a five-year-old in the face and thinking you are ready to fight Randy Couture.

Of course there's a slight difference between offline and online. Besides hitbox lag, the TV missiles also behave a bit different due to input 'lag'.
I still sometimes mess with that after playing single/LAN for a bit, but it's easy to adjust once you know how.

Saying that you CAN'T practice offline because it is different is BS.
That would also mean that practicing BF2 as a whole offline is useless.
Thing is: this game is not only aiming skill: it's tactics as well. Once you have those tactics down, hitting stuff comes with practice. But you definitely need those basics.

Is it also BS to practice medic combat offline because there's a slight ping difference while online?

[Chris_Redfield]

Going 50-0 in 16 player Karkand map with 40 bots on maximum difficulty (maybe even tweaked a little) with the USMC engineer shotgun kit will make you go 30-2 on the same map on the internet, true story. Try it out. Suck it up and practice until you finish the round at 50-0, 50-1 if you feel that single death was an accident (not TK, accident). Youll rape the living daylights out of your fellow peers on the internet.

Practicing online, is a must, its the only carefree place you can completely dedicate for self improvement. BF2 sucks at this, but SWAT4 had a ton of community maps made for specifically this purpose. Firing range with active targets (these steel plates that fall and rise) and grenade throw ranges. I must have buried more than 100 hours into those maps, and every time I had a practice lesson, my flick aiming and target prioritization skills went up significantly.

Had a 30:0 streak in one of the hardest maps once (Victory Imports Auto Center), only ended when I was out of grenades, out of spray, out of primary ammo and on my last handgun magazine.

Practicing offline, useless? Clearly youre speaking out of your rectum.

Did you know, that for example, top gamers use silly flash games to train their reflexes?