people always tellin me to bail out?wtf

[Sloi sauce]

Sure. But basic skills arent going to make Sloi happy to fly you around. The level of skill that you need for that can *only* be acquired through online play, lots of it.

I most certainly wouldn't be happy, but I and a few others are exceptional cases. (In the sense that we're so full of ourselves that nothing short of spectacular would satisfy us. Hey, who else will be that blatantly honest?)

For the above-average heli pilots and gunners, however, functionality does suffice. By that, I mean someone who actually flies with purpose, gives the gunner some shots and gunners who fire TVs and spot targets.

[_S3rH3nD_]

Did you know, that for example, top gamers use silly flash games to train their reflexes?

i still play that slalom sht lol

[The Laughing Man]

Edit: A further note to clarify that last statement. The argument also specifically details the use of low-player servers to adapt once an adequate level of preparation has been achieved by the would-be jet/heli pilot/gunner. Like I said, you're grasping at straws...

Would it be grasping at straws to assume you're nothing but a stats whore? That your banging on every so often about inexperienced heli co pilots hindering the team effort is nothing more than a cover for the fact that all you really care about is making your K / D ratio look good?

You so much as admitted it by suggesting you have no issue with flying with folk who can help you get those points while you refuse to fly with those that may hinder such progress.

Let's put it this way the game was designed for the chopper to have two persons flying it. The 'noob' co pilot has purchased the game just as legit as you did so what right do YOU have to tell him he has to get out just because he's not a crack shot?

Part of this team effort thing you've brought up a good few times, and seem to be using for justification for being a chopper whore, is accepting that you will encounter inexperienced people who want to be co pilot. Being a man is being able to suck it and accept that instead of sitting there moaning like a b*tch that they should get out because they are a noob. If you're incapable of doing that then perhaps you should consider leaving the chopper and going off and doing something else?

[Alex6714]

Would it be grasping at straws to assume you're nothing but a stats whore? That your banging on every so often about inexperienced heli co pilots hindering the team effort is nothing more than a cover for the fact that all you really care about is making your K / D ratio look good?

You so much as admitted it by suggesting you have no issue with flying with folk who can help you get those points while you refuse to fly with those that may hinder such progress.

Let's put it this way the game was designed for the chopper to have two persons flying it. The 'noob' co pilot has purchased the game just as legit as you did so what right do YOU have to tell him he has to get out just because he's not a crack shot?

Part of this team effort thing you've brought up a good few times, and seem to be using for justification for being a chopper whore, is accepting that you will encounter inexperienced people who want to be co pilot. Being a man is being able to suck it and accept that instead of sitting there moaning like a b*tch that they should get out because they are a noob. If you're incapable of doing that then perhaps you should consider leaving the chopper and going off and doing something else?

Well said.

[Shask]

Would it be grasping at straws to assume you're nothing but a stats whore? That your banging on every so often about inexperienced heli co pilots hindering the team effort is nothing more than a cover for the fact that all you really care about is making your K / D ratio look good?

Well, generally K/D is directly proportional to fun, essentially the better your K/D the more fun your having. The whole point of playing this game is to have fun, that's unarguable. So you can't really blame anyone for trying to improve the amount of fun they are having, can you?

I know that I wouldn't really enjoy spending an hour of:

• Wait for helicopter
• Endure much competition in the gaining of a helicopter position
• Travel to the action/destination
• Die when you're co-pilot uses MGs against a rival chopper
• Repeat

[#1 LoGoS.^CyN.TV*]

Would it be grasping at straws to assume you're nothing but a stats whore?

:laugh:

Me and Sloi could care less about stats. I care about fun. It's no fun playing with somebody who doesn't know how to fly and crashes into buildings. It's no fun when somebody is chaingunning a Z10 when it's 400m away.

When the other person in your chopper dooms you from the time you leave the helipad, it ruins the entire game for the entire team, not just the other guy in the chopper.

Choppers are an extremely important piece of hardware in BF2. If your helicopter amasses 60 kills in one round, you're probably going to win.

If your helicopter takes off and crashes into the ocean or gets tved while your idiot pilot is sitting at a flag trying to cap it while looking at the carrier, your team is GOING TO LOSE.

There's a certain amount of proficiency, threat prioritizing, skill, and overall sense of how the round will play out based on your competition, that makes choppers so much different from infantry play. Shut up until you get 100 hours in the chopper.

I have 1500+ hours in a chopper, so come talk to me when you think you know 2% of what I do.

[Chris_Redfield]

Would it be grasping at straws to assume you're nothing but a stats whore? That your banging on every so often about inexperienced heli co pilots hindering the team effort is nothing more than a cover for the fact that all you really care about is making your K / D ratio look good?

You so much as admitted it by suggesting you have no issue with flying with folk who can help you get those points while you refuse to fly with those that may hinder such progress.

Let's put it this way the game was designed for the chopper to have two persons flying it. The 'noob' co pilot has purchased the game just as legit as you did so what right do YOU have to tell him he has to get out just because he's not a crack shot?

Part of this team effort thing you've brought up a good few times, and seem to be using for justification for being a chopper whore, is accepting that you will encounter inexperienced people who want to be co pilot. Being a man is being able to suck it and accept that instead of sitting there moaning like a b*tch that they should get out because they are a noob. If you're incapable of doing that then perhaps you should consider leaving the chopper and going off and doing something else?

Not all of us are interweb gaming monks that raise their skirts and let everyone rape them while they smile of joy and pleasure. Monks? Oh... wait.

Lets say youre with a gunner, and youre facing any threat that can take you out of the picture. Considering that theres nothing you can do, and everything relies on someone who does not posess the necessary experience level to combat said threat, youre basically holding a guilloutine up with your fingers.

KDR? Statswhore? Please... youre really stretching in order to send an insult across.

Death on infantry level is nothing, its to be expected and its "anonymous", but the higher on the food chain you go, the rarer the vehicles get, the more personal it gets. It doesnt matter if you see the name of the person who shot you down, its just that when you have self confidence, skillset and experience, every death is accountable. Not by stats, but by ego. This, frankly, separates the top 1% of pilots and drivers, from the rest of the crowd. Im not saying ones are better at being human beings, it can go either way. Im just saying that ones are better as gamers and theres a reason for that.

On infantry level, this necessity to "do well" and "die less" comes when youre skilled enough to not to die through random encounters, and when you constantly finish on the top 1-3 positions. And only when theres an opponent that constantly outplays you.

So why do the likes of Sloi neglect random gunners? Because they hate to die. Videogames or not, they are experienced enough to have their enjoyement through doing predictably well. The time when they (us) passed their time watching respawn counter go, has long gone.

You may probably never get it, and I expect a snide comment a´la "you take the game too seriously", but meh...

[Sloi sauce]

Would it be grasping at straws to assume you're nothing but a stats whore? That your banging on every so often about inexperienced heli co pilots hindering the team effort is nothing more than a cover for the fact that all you really care about is making your K / D ratio look good?

I care about my enjoyment, not a few bits of data stored on a server.

You so much as admitted it by suggesting you have no issue with flying with folk who can help you get those points while you refuse to fly with those that may hinder such progress.

You're missing the point. I enjoy flying with able pilots and gunners because we can achieve our goals and avoid respawning/fighting over an asset every 30 seconds. To put it another way, you're seeing only what you want to see.

Let's put it this way the game was designed for the chopper to have two persons flying it. The 'noob' co pilot has purchased the game just as legit as you did so what right do YOU have to tell him he has to get out just because he's not a crack shot?

For one thing, it's disrespectful to hinder your team. The responsible thing to do would be practicing in local server or singleplayer.

Part of this team effort thing you've brought up a good few times, and seem to be using for justification for being a chopper whore, is accepting that you will encounter inexperienced people who want to be co pilot. Being a man is being able to suck it and accept that instead of sitting there moaning like a b*tch that they should get out because they are a noob. If you're incapable of doing that then perhaps you should consider leaving the chopper and going off and doing something else?

To quote from Office Space, and I hope you have the ability to draw parallels... "No way. Why should I change? He's the one who sucks."

[#1 LoGoS.^CyN.TV*]

To quote from Office Space, and I hope you have the ability to draw parallels... "No way. Why should I change? He's the one who sucks."

Ahahaha I love that movie.

[The Laughing Man]

Well, generally K/D is directly proportional to fun, essentially the better your K/D the more fun your having. The whole point of playing this game is to have fun, that's unarguable. So you can't really blame anyone for trying to improve the amount of fun they are having, can you?

I would agree generally owning people and getting kills is a good deal more fun than getting owned yourself but you have to look at the flip side of that logic. What's fun about being a noob and constantly getting told by some arrogant leet that you have to keep getting out of 'HIS' chopper and what right does that guy then have, in some cases, to lift off fly to the no go zone and TK that poor noob?

The noobs a noob, give him a chance and he may well improve, if he doesn't then the K / D fun thing will take over and he'll give up and go do something else. If the experienced guy has an issue with the noob then why not go do something else whilst someone who's got a bit more time lets him co pilot with them?

So why do the likes of Sloi neglect random gunners? Because they hate to die. Videogames or not, they are experienced enough to have their enjoyement through doing predictably well.

They have a complete inability to adapt is what I am seeing. You're argument would hold water if flying choppers were the only thing to do in Battlefield but since the game has a million and one things to do besides that, I fail to see how they cannot have fun doing something besides flying the chopper. I'll return to the idea that if they gave the noob a chance the noob may turn out to be good and then everyone has fun, if the noob isn't any good then they will get bored and chopper man will have his beloved helicopter all to himself again.

The consensus I am getting here is that 'I am a chopper leet ergo no one else is allowed near it whilst I want to use it', it borders on pure arrogance. Please correct me if that idea is wrong!

You may probably never get it, and I expect a snide comment a´la "you take the game too seriously", but meh...

I get it but I fail to see the correlation between the level of seriousness you're saying these folk have and having genuine fun, and should their desire to own all, conquer the world and everyone else in it directly impact the fun of others who don't care or at least understand that they are new to the game and will get killed quite a lot?

To quote from Office Space, and I hope you have the ability to draw parallels... "No way. Why should I change? He's the one who sucks."

If you're unwilling to change then live with it but do two things for the good of everyone

a). Do not tell the noob to get out just because he isn't as good as you think you are. You've accepted you're unwilling to adapt so have forfeited any right to push people who are trying something different around
b). Don't talk rubbish about 'for the good of the team', that statement above goes as far as is required to prove that you're anything but a team player.

What's getting me with this is that their is a breed of BF2 player who have decided that they have been given a god given right to push everyone else around just because they have spent x hundreads of more hours doing something someone else hasn't. They spent £30 just like you did to buy the game, irrespective of how good they are they have just as much right to do everything that you do without having to be concerned about being told to push off by some dipstick who thinks one resource is his personal plaything. If it bugs you that much actually having to show some form of respect for another human being, actually having to adapt, actually having to accept that you may get killed a few more times (remember we seem to be using the argument that K / D ratios don't concern you) then swap teams, grab their chopper and own the noob. He'll get bored and you'll get your 'fun'.

[Kreepy Kitteh =^o.O^=]

I have 1500+ hours in a chopper, so come talk to me when you think you know 2% of what I do.

:shock: 1500+ hours in the chopper alone!!!:shock:

dont mean to sound rude but thats almost sad.. but im sure ur good at it...who wouldnt be after 1500+ hours though lol i think i could train a monkey to play it in that time..

[Sloi sauce]

a). Do not tell the noob to get out just because he isn't as good as you think you are. You've accepted you're unwilling to adapt so have forfeited any right to push people who are trying something different around

I've already written volumes about this fallacy, and I won't repeat myself for your benefit: you're wrong about this being possible for a variety of reasons.

I strongly suspect you're one of the very people who not only lack the required skill to operate a heli effectively, but also shouldn't be commenting on their use as a result. Decent ideas in theory, absolutely horrible in practice: at the risk of sounding even more elitist, only people who truly know what they're doing in choppers fully understand this. Perhaps you will too, one day...

I'll let others respond to the rest of your post if they so choose. I have better things to do.

[I am RKO]

Maybe you smell?

[Kreepy Kitteh =^o.O^=]

i think with a subject like this no one is really wrong its just a matter of personality and opinion.. if we all thought the same the game would be very boring..

for me personaly noobs in the game no matter how many stupid things they do will never really annoy me unless they constantly team kill me.. i just tend to laugh it off and feel better inside knowing im more experienced with the game than they are..

some people however take the game a bit more seriously and REALLY and i mean R E A L L Y get mad!

so different people will have different views on this subject and i think rather than try and use our so called "experience" to try and influence each others opinions we should just be content with the fact were all different and get different things out of the game.. like i said not everyone is playing to win.. some just play a few hours a week to have a bit of fun and a laugh which is ok by me :)

but with such a diverse range of people that play online gaming theres always going to be differences... just have to accept that and move on.

[imported_bigpappa]

I most certainly wouldn't be happy, but I and a few others are exceptional cases. (In the sense that we're so full of ourselves that nothing short of spectacular would satisfy us. Hey, who else will be that blatantly honest?)

For the above-average heli pilots and gunners, however, functionality does suffice. By that, I mean someone who actually flies with purpose, gives the gunner some shots and gunners who fire TVs and spot targets.

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