The ability to redline is a blessing.

[#1 LoGoS.^CyN.TV*]

And stfu with 1v1 challenges and the BS Cynic whoever.... We are talking pub play and effectively helping your team... 1 tv from the Su and you'd be crying where did that come from as you waited to spawn again.

"Cynic whoever"

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

ok, if you want to talk pub play, right about now I'm averaging 40 kills and 3 deaths in 24/7 Dalian [CnW] and I TV at least 5 jets per round, and my team wins 90% of the time even if we're shorthanded.

If you want to talk about matches, I'm undefeated in 20+ 2v2 TWL chopper matches, and undefeated in CAL-M and CAL-O 8v8 Conquest matches as a soloer / gunner for Team Progression.

I've beaten Khem and Bruce
I've beaten SpectreElite and Andre
I've beaten Capped and blkhand
I've beaten Danielson and Ronsxi
I've beaten Runitsyourmamarun and Blackjack
I've beaten the 3st! guys from Europe - gluekspilz and Flash

You're talking to probably the 3rd best competitive gunner in the game now, behind Capped and Andre. blkhand has a TV missile aimbot and he got caught with it, so I no longer place him ahead of me.
I'd love to see you try to TV me with an SU.

[Chris_Redfield]

- So if jets don't take the task of controlling the air and ignore the chopper he can rack up kills, OK thats good, but put a team pilot in the jet and the chopper will be attacked... Helo's are for attacking helo's in the leet solo world but reality is jets take out heli's! simple enough for you?

Youre narrowminded. If theres a competent dogfighter in the air, ask yourself, how much will you be able to kill? 2 kills per death? One kill per death? Or will you stay on your spawn forever? Soloers kill everything that moves, which is why they are so universal at what they do.

-A jet can cover the map faster than any other vehicle so that statment is absolutley idiotic.

You are stupid. A jet can never intercept a squad down to its every member and provide the team a clean chance to cap a flag. His bomb drops are avoidable and dropped with the "best guess" at best. A choppers presence is immediate death for infantry. You truly dont know what the hell youre talking about.

Every time a jet makes a pass, it needs another 20-30 seconds to return, and that is without extra loaded ammunition. Once a chopper arrives, it will tear up everything that is present in the area. Theres a massive difference between the two. Even when were talking about armor killing efficiency, no jet can clean a map from any and all armor under 3 minutes.

Really? How do you come to that conclusion? You've been on this forum way too much, those 4k= useless post have disillusioned you.

Im sorry, are you picking on my post count? Those 4000 useless posts have been spent on idiots like you, and the forum crowd has been pleasantly entertained.

[camper.]

Youre underestimating the level of skill the video is portraying. If Im telling you that those are of the highest set at the moment the video was taken, you better take my word for it (in a non-cocky manner). Some people play 3-4-5 times as much to get where he is. I dont know, you seem like you dont know what youre really talking about, but consider this- considering the small ammount of dogfighters out there who stand out, generally people just arent that good to be compared to him. Shooting a TV missile, in terms of hand-eye coordination, sitational awareness, motoric functions and pure experience, is less demanding.

Maybe he's just making it "look easy". I don't see much compared to other Youtube flicks like that Dogfighter dude. Sure, jets have far more dimensions to them than choppers in this game. But we're talking about helis which have been whored to the point that some people have GODLIKE PIXEL GUIDANCE SKILLZ. Someone with any sub-1000 amount of hours isn't even going to be competition. Shooting a TV missile isn't hard, it's hitting everything out of the sky in any situation that's hard. And that, is 99% of the time harder than a jet vs jet situation.

Not exclusively, Ive seen many "average" pilots redline their coplayers. Some do it for themselves, some for their buddies.

Actually, the only redlining I see routinely is for some knobhead to get his boyfriend into the chopper with him so they can pleasure themselves while stacking up deaths on the scoreboard. But we're talking about a single case here where someone believes that their e-redlining is something "special".

I remember that one, I also remember that being one of the most contradicting and retarded one aswell.

Unfortunately, you being not man enough for IO, are unqualified to talk about it.

[Chris_Redfield]

Maybe he's just making it "look easy". I don't see much compared to other Youtube flicks like that Dogfighter dude. Sure, jets have far more dimensions to them than choppers in this game. But we're talking about helis which have been whored to the point that some people have GODLIKE PIXEL GUIDANCE SKILLZ. Someone with any sub-1000 amount of hours isn't even going to be competition. Shooting a TV missile isn't hard, it's hitting everything out of the sky in any situation that's hard. And that, is 99% of the time harder than a jet vs jet situation.

Consider this, in order to be a competitionworthy helicoper pilot, you need more TV guidance skills than piloting skills. Even that 2000 hour uberpilot has implied to that. Jet dogfights consist of maneuvering and outmaneuvering, missile deflection, missile timing, and cannon use. In order to actually have a shot at your target, you either need a vastly superior plane, or you need to be at least as skilled as the opposition is. Now, maneuvering and outmaneuvering is such a vast concept, so skill demanding, that vast majority of players who have even flown for 2 years (almost exclusively) have failed to become good at it. Again, you are severely underestimating how hard it is to be good at air, in 1 vs 1 dogfighting scenario. Then we go to the whole hitbox and missile unreliability and finally to the cannon aspect, where youre not just clicking on the target with your mouse, but aiming the cannon with your whole jet.

As someone who has a few hours invested in the gunners seat, and a lot of hours in jets seat, being great in jets is a lot harder to achieve. Besides, many of the selfproclaimed TV messiahs use macros, whether or not the general public wants to admit to that, or not.

You said it yourself, you can become good enough to make people whine with 10 hours of TV experience. You will not even be worth a pubic hair of a Brooklyn hooker with 10 hours of jet practice.

I can understand where youre coming from if youre saying that those videos look easy. They do look easy indeed. But so do the chopper TV videos, tanking videos and infantry videos...

But we're talking about a single case here where someone believes that their e-redlining is something "special".

Sloi is just yanking your chain and hes enjoying it. Hes said it himself that redlining is a necessary evil.

Unfortunately, you being not man enough for IO, are unqualified to talk about it.

I know, I know

[.Churr.]

Whatever stupid comment.

How can some people be so clueless after 2 years playing a game?
You sir, are a retard.

[Sloi sauce]

He's the kind of guy I love to redline.

<3 Churr, Redfield and Cynic <3

[waaah_wah]

Infamous is right... Chopters DO get mashed by jets. And a bomber with a competent crew will kill armor just as fast as any chopter. Chopters are better for killing infantry, but jets are better for killing other jets and chopters. If you have a skilled chopter crew vs a skilled bomber crew, the chopter crew will most likely finish will less kills, coz they will often get shot down by the bomber crew.

Jets>Chopters>(AT inf)>Armor>Infantry

[.Churr.]

If you have a skilled chopter crew vs a skilled bomber crew, the chopter crew will most likely finish will less kills, coz they will often get shot down by the bomber crew.

That's untrue, the bomber crew either goes after kills and points or goes after the chopper. If I'm in the chopper and get bothered too much by a jet, this jet is usually not scoring very well. Most of those getting massive scores in jets go for easy targets on the ground, and it makes it harder for the chopper crew to catch up.

[waaah_wah]

Why cant they go after both? If you fly a bomber and see a tank and a chopter, wich one would you kill first..? You kill the chopter and then come after the tank since it wont go anywhere for the next 20-30 sec.

[JustMe0171]

Sloi, u just remind me why i hate to play vanilla, thanks

[Chris_Redfield]

Waaah, youre talking about the "natural order of things" or "food chain". Jets are superior to choppers. Take a good pilot who is obsessed with killing choppers and the chopper is done.

However, with bombers, its a different story. A bomber pilot can indeed harass the choppers, but hes making a choice to give up harassing ground targets if he does so. You both are also conveniently excluding the fact that if theres a fighter pilot with some skills, the bomber will not be able to harass the chopper, he wont be able to harass ground targets either. Whatever youre saying, it doesnt matter, because it depends on how the round plays out.

So lets talk about something we actually can measure in time, score and whatnot else.

Provided I have a competent gunner, I can drive USMC forcess off the beach of Oman in less than 3 minutes, during those 3 minutes, I can eliminate all USMC armor, so that basically MEC (my) armor comes in and caps the flags with impunity. MEC bomber cannot do this, and the only way they can get CLOSE to such a result, is by playing on FF-OFF servers.

A jet does not have the ability to clean up everything within seconds, using constant supressive presence. This basically means that if me and my gunner are circling around your flag, you will live 0.5- 1 second after you spawned, only to see my team move in while you cant do anything about it. Thats how great a chopper is.

The close in air support coupled with surgical precision and constant presence is unmatched by a jets carpetbombing which is aimed really only using certain landmarks or HUD target elements.

And yes, if Im flying a jet, and I see a chopper do more damage than my team can tolerate, I will take out that chopper, and will keep taking it out and the only time Ive been TVd out of the sky, is when I was foolish enough to approach the Cobra head on using a "tadaa"- Su-34.

[Sloi sauce]

Sloi, u just remind me why i hate to play vanilla, thanks

Hey, no problem. I'm glad we both got exactly what we wanted out of this...

[LaikaSB]

Jets are superior to choppers. Take a good pilot who is obsessed with killing choppers and the chopper is done.

[QUOTE=Chris_Redfield;1770684]
A jet does not have the ability to clean up everything within seconds, using constant supressive presence. This basically means that if me and my gunner are circling around your flag, you will live 0.5- 1 second after you spawned, only to see my team move in while you cant do anything about it. Thats how great a chopper is.
[QUOTE]

:nod: Ohhh yes.

[jesus]

The only thing jets have to worry about are other jets. Helicopters on the other hand have to worry about other choppers, jets, tanks, APCs, DPVs, IGLA, sometimes mobile AA (depending on the map), and sometimes the occasional ground troop (sniper/support).

It doesn't really matter how good of a helo pilot/gunner you are, you're definately going to be making a lot of time-wasting trips back to the uncap to repair if the ground (and air) aspects are doing what they should to eliminate the attack choppers. In the time it takes you to go back and repair, the jets can clear out whole spawn points with the cannon, missiles, or bombs.

As much as you hate to admit it, attack choppers are weak, and if one is getting teamed by 2 APCs or even 2 DPVs, it will almost always lose unless the pilot can get out of there really fast. Which is hard to do if you're a MEC chopper at the shore flags on Oman. Just me and my brother sitting on the crane in Oman as USMC being support, we can get choppers to start smoking.

Now, you do have to go to the uncap quite a few times in the jet (depending on what kind of pilot you are), but jets are a million times faster than helicopters, and it only takes 1 fly-by to reload, while helicopters are slower, and then take time to repair on the helipad.

That's just my perspective of it. When I have a choice between the jet and the helo, I always pick the jet. The jet only takes 1 person to be effective, while (not considering soloing), helicopters take 2. I didn't consider soloing, because it's pretty hard to solo if 5 people go for the chopper and you get in the gunner seat, and someone else gets the pilot seat. No redlining then, right?

[Infamous™]

I have no problem taking on 2 jets @ once... If there's a bomber then the fighter pilot should be containing the other aircraft. It's pretty easy to fly a bomber in patterns that keep people off your six but not always I know. But I can make a run and let my bomber TV the tank while I put 5 shots in the cockpit of the helo and kill it then release the bombs killing the entire infantry...do it all the time so stop trying to defend yourselves. The bottom line is you are tards. Redlining is self satisfaction... I guess since you can't land a Vickies model girlfriend, you'll be stuck redlining fat chicks @ the club and soloing your monkey.

I have to take my kids to activities so I will let you choppa fruits chew on that..