Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

[Mister Missle]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

p.s. Since when did a jet in real life repair & rearm instantly by just flying acrossing the airfield in a couple of seconds i'll think you'll find thats a major part of the problem.

They need an animation of the ground/carrier crews throwing the ammunition up in the air as the jet passes overhead, complete with the pilot opening his hatch and grabbing it.

"Here you go sir! Catch!
*tosses up five bomblets.* :salute:

[DrJambo]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

Some topics never lie down for long. This was the downfall of BF2 for me. Jets overpowered, and not surprisingly AA useless. Playing on maps like Operation Cleansweep, Wake or Gulf of Oman when there was one of those geekily good pilots present, often reduced the game to a frustrating tedium. We've all seen the videos of pros going 50-0 or 100-0 many times and in any well balanced fps that should never be the case.

My suggestion - move to BF2142. It's a far better balanced game and infinitely more enjoyable as a result.

[Burn]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

umm mobile aa can be found on daqing...why isnt it on wake?

Cos it can be hard enough to land a Black Hawk on the Island without Mobile AA shooting at you too.....

[eddyeddyd]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

My suggestion - move to BF2142. It's a far better balanced game and infinitely more enjoyable as a result.

that statement right there will start a tbf2 apocalypse.

[colony]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

Some topics never lie down for long. This was the downfall of BF2 for me. Jets overpowered, and not surprisingly AA useless. Playing on maps like Operation Cleansweep, Wake or Gulf of Oman when there was one of those geekily good pilots present, often reduced the game to a frustrating tedium. We've all seen the videos of pros going 50-0 or 100-0 many times and in any well balanced fps that should never be the case.

My suggestion - move to BF2142. It's a far better balanced game and infinitely more enjoyable as a result.

Is it the ratio or game balance people cry over.....I can never tell sometimes.

Alot of players are just angry at the other guys for having big scores, and become green with envy. Desperately jumping in front of their own jets to discourage them from taking off or whatever.....so sad.

Bringing up 2142 is the worst thing you can do. If you havent noticed, no one plays that game anymore. It was fun for literally 2 weeks, and that was it.

[old sch00l]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

yo colony, you fancy flying a helo for TBF2

[DrJambo]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

Is it the ratio or game balance people cry over.....I can never tell sometimes.

Alot of players are just angry at the other guys for having big scores, and become green with envy. Desperately jumping in front of their own jets to discourage them from taking off or whatever.....so sad.

Bringing up 2142 is the worst thing you can do. If you havent noticed, no one plays that game anymore. It was fun for literally 2 weeks, and that was it.

Colony, you're still full of it. Get off your high horse. It's nothing about being green with envy, jealous, or however you want to dress it up as. The obscene ratio indicates bad balance, so the two aren't unrelated. It's not the fact that good pilots are nigh impossible to take down that's the problem. It's the fact that one or two pilots can completely dominate proceedings on a map, thereby destroying the fun for the other 32+ players. Of course, the pilots are completely unaware and therefore blissfully ignorant in their own egocentric way.

As for BF2142, it's far from dead, and it's clearly far better off without the likes of you. There are populated servers everwhere you look, so I don't know what dreamland you're on. Bring your head back down from the clouds.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

Colony, you're still full of it. Get off your high horse. It's nothing about being green with envy, jealous, or however you want to dress it up as. The obscene ratio indicates bad balance, so the two aren't unrelated. It's not the fact that good pilots are nigh impossible to take down that's the problem. It's the fact that one or two pilots can completely dominate proceedings on a map, thereby destroying the fun for the other 32+ players. Of course, the pilots are completely unaware and therefore blissfully ignorant in their own egocentric way.

LOL. No. Its scoreenvy. Youre speaking of "obscene ratio", but you conveniently "forget" to event think about how those ratios become possible. Weve had this argument many a time and youve always left with broken bones and swollen butt. Why not leave it while you still can.

As for BF2142, it's far from dead, and it's clearly far better off without the likes of you. There are populated servers everwhere you look, so I don't know what dreamland you're on. Bring your head back down from the clouds.

The likes of colony? You will be hardpressed to find anyone who would say hes an "arsehole".

[DrJambo]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

Ah Chris I wondered when the little side-kick would wander in. Hmm, how I've missed your insightful comments.

Firstly, those ratios become possible because the game allows it. Simple as that. If the game allowed pro-infantry players to go 50-0 or 100-0 then the same would happen there.

And secondly, I don't remember saying colony was an "arsehole". Just that if he doesn't like BF2142, then those who're playing BF2142, of which there are many, are surely not missing his egocentric presence.

Now you can get back to polishing his shoes.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

Ah Chris I wondered when the little side-kick would wander in. Hmm, how I've missed your insightful comments.

Youre looking at it from the wrong perspective. Im not here because of him, Im here because of you. Im here because your crying and most of all responding to your crying makes me feel entertained. So you see, youre not useless afterall. :)

Firstly, those ratios become possible because the game allows it. Simple as that. If the game allowed pro-infantry players to go 50-0 or 100-0 then the same would happen there.

I was hoping youd say that. But maybe the true reason why those ratios are possible are hidden here?

*Aerial teamstacking
*No good opposition airbourne
*No teamwork in STA
*No skill in STA
*No persistence in STA
*No dedication to STA

You can break any pilots good run if you really want it to. Its absolutely foolish to even consider that you, alone, with 3 minutes in STA can stand a chance against a pilot who has dedicated his time into the art of wrecking havoc amongst crybabies like you.

I agree that the whole air to ground and vice versa balance is broken, but only because STA is not appearling enough for people to dedicate 1500 hours into it like pilots do. I have a 3:1 KDR in STA, most from fixed STA and its good enough for me considering that most of it I got before 1.2.

But hell, I already wandered off. The real point is that you just cant adapt to it, even less have a good discussion about it.

And secondly, I don't remember saying colony was an "arsehole". Just that if he doesn't like BF2142, then those who're playing BF2142, of which there are many, are surely not missing his egocentric presence.

LOL... The exact same thing. You missed the point. Colonys personality doesnt affect anyone in BF2142, nor in BF2 and even less in TBF2 forums. Hell, his personality is better than yours anyway, so for the sake of BF2142, you should probably perform an uninstall!

Now you can get back to polishing his shoes.

How cute. Pop back any time you need another rape session, DrJambo. Crybaby.

[DrJambo]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

Youre looking at it from the wrong perspective. Im not here because of him, Im here because of you. Im here because your crying and most of all responding to your crying makes me feel entertained. So you see, youre not useless afterall. :)

You're here because you've got nothing better to do. With over 3,000 forum posts you're undoubtedly a forum nerd of the greatest order.

I was hoping youd say that. But maybe the true reason why those ratios are possible are hidden here?

*Aerial teamstacking
*No good opposition airbourne
*No teamwork in STA
*No skill in STA
*No persistence in STA
*No dedication to STA

Dedication to STA (presumably your acronym for static AA?) don't make me laugh. Not even the greatest fool is going to want to spend their hard earned free time slogging it out trying to take down pro-pilots in static AA. It's a thankless and tedious task and jet cannons rape static AA from a distance greater than the range of the static AA. Jets also know when they're manned, yet static AA have no idea where the jets are coming from. Fair? Nope. Don't delude yourself.

I agree that the whole air to ground and vice versa balance is broken, but only because STA is not appearling enough for people to dedicate 1500 hours into it like pilots do. I have a 3:1 KDR in STA, most from fixed STA and its good enough for me considering that most of it I got before 1.2.

But hell, I already wandered off. The real point is that you just cant adapt to it, even less have a good discussion about it.

Sure, I've got a positive k:d in static AA. I imagine most above average players do. It doesn't mean jack though. Most of the kills will be transport or attack choppers. How many of those have been jets?

LOL... The exact same thing. You missed the point. Colonys personality doesnt affect anyone in BF2142, nor in BF2 and even less in TBF2 forums. Hell, his personality is better than yours anyway, so for the sake of BF2142, you should probably perform an uninstall!

Lol, in all honesty Chris, you sound like and indeed have the grammar of a teenager at best. Who the hell cares what you think of various people's e-personalities? I'm sure if you ask nicely, Colony will let you stroke his e-pepe a little longer.

[waaah_wah]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

Maybe they would dogfight more. Instead of staying 100 meters or less off the ground bombing everything. I hate the stupid ceiling. Should be WAY higher for jets.

AA cant touch you when your flying at 300+ meters. So you have 500 meters to dogfight in. Why would you need more??

umm mobile aa can be found on daqing...why isnt it on wake?

There is mobile AA on wake that wont give you away with the "beeeep" sound. It's called a jeep. And the AA kit is actually sniper kit with M95 so i dont see whats all the fuss' about.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

You're here because you've got nothing better to do. With over 3,000 forum posts you're undoubtedly a forum nerd of the greatest order.

And youre here because? The irony is indeed bitter here. The pot and kettle analogy comes to my mind. What a failure :laugh:

Dedication to STA (presumably your acronym for static AA?) don't make me laugh. Not even the greatest fool is going to want to spend their hard earned free time slogging it out trying to take down pro-pilots in static AA. It's a thankless and tedious task and jet cannons rape static AA from a distance greater than the range of the static AA. Jets also know when they're manned, yet static AA have no idea where the jets are coming from. Fair? Nope. Don't delude yourself.

Who said it was fair? Im saying that despite your rather pathetic and desperate cries against the pilot kind youve just effectively said what I said. People dont want to learn STA because its not fun, while pilots become pros (hey, you said it) because jets are fun. Furthermore, I think I cracked the reason why you ***** and whine so much. Here-

also know when they're manned

Youre dinosaur. A newbie. You know that from a specific distance (about 400 metres or so, actually) a jet can locate you on the minimap. So why sit there and wait for getting killed? You havent got what it takes to adapt to other people skill. Youre constantly wasting your own potential, so why should I take you seriously?

The whole net is filled with insight to how a pilot operates, aswell as STA tips for maximum survival. Furthermore, application of knowledge about how a jet operates and increasing your own dedication to survival will create a situation where you may last through the whole round without dying to a jet. Ive done it, I know a lot of skilled people who do it every day. You obviously dont. So why dont you cut those cries, do some research and have genuine fun from knowing that you have to mess up pretty bad to be killed by a jet? Nobody likes whiners who dont try and always quit.

Sure, I've got a positive k:d in static AA. I imagine most above average players do. It doesn't mean jack though. Most of the kills will be transport or attack choppers. How many of those have been jets?

Most indeed. Now think about what Ive been saying before- do you honestly expect yourself to have more chances of survival and victory over a jet pilot who has invested far more time into his art than you into yours? You expect to have superior KDR against a pilot who probably has 50 times more hours invested into jets. What a laugh. All this while you just sit there. Its called adaption, pilots have been forced to adapt when patch 1.2 hit the decks. They adapted, you didnt. What more do you want? Perhaps its time for you to wipe those tears, create yourself a goal a´la 100 hours in static STA and then come back to tell me the difference?

Lol, in all honesty Chris, you sound like and indeed have the grammar of a teenager at best.

!
:laugh:

Oh god, this is damn funny. You know youve lost an argument when you start picking on grammar. Your ignorance amazes me, DrJambo. Would you believe me if I told you that English is just my 3rd language? Me aside, the way you write makes me conclude you yourself have a lot of growing up to do, son. No adult would cry so much while stupidly generalising, trying to justify their own lack of skill in a stupid video game, in the same time thinking that hes superior because he has less posts in an internet forum he browses daily. What a colossal loser.

Who the hell cares what you think of various people's e-personalities?

I dont care about his personality per se, Im just saying youre an a*shole and I think its damn funny that you think that colony is a bigger one than you are. It doesnt take someone who cares to notice this.

I'm sure if you ask nicely, Colony will let you stroke his e-pepe a little longer.

You can bend over to me any time, I will gladly verbally rape you for my own amusement.

[FBmantis]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

Anti air definitely is one of the failings of vanilla bf2. Thankfully thats one of the many areas my mod of choice, poe2, improves greatly on. Stationary AA will obliterate anything that gets close and the mobile AA is extremely lethal. Not to mention handheld pickups which are fun to play around with or pickup if a chopper is buzzing your area. The end result is a much more balanced game. You can check out the AA vehicle offered in poe2 here:

http://www.pointofexistence.com/fpn/html/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=7

Some of the AA can be seen shortly in the poe2 intro video. Second link is a vid of the handheld in action...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpJusjKlKhk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3s188E5z1g

[DrJambo]

Re: Cmon lets not all forget about poor little anti air...

And youre here because? The irony is indeed bitter here. The pot and kettle analogy comes to my mind. What a failure :laugh:

There is no irony. You have more than 10 times my number of posts. I browse casually, you live here. You're a geek and the truth is obviously hurtful.

Who said it was fair? Im saying that despite your rather pathetic and desperate cries against the pilot kind youve just effectively said what I said. People dont want to learn STA because its not fun, while pilots become pros (hey, you said it) because jets are fun. Furthermore, I think I cracked the reason why you ***** and whine so much. Here-

So we go back to the original point I made which is the game allows pilots to go 50-0 or whatever. By making static AA such a thankless task the game's failing to balance properly. Plus, if you think static AA is a competent rock to the jet's scissors you're plainly insane. It might be useful against choppers but that's where it ends. You go on about jumping in and out of static AA as if it's some kind of realistic and skilled tactic. Splash damage from jet cannons will kill anyone loitering close enough to a static AA site, and if you're any further away to avoid the splash damage then the jumping in and out theory falls flat when jets travel at the speeds they do. In fact, you're the only pilot chump that seems to still believe static AA is a suitable counter to jets! Even from days gone by pro-pilots openly admitted static AA was of no concern. Either you're not a pro-pilot or you're talking gibberish, or both.

Youre dinosaur. A newbie. You know that from a specific distance (about 400 metres or so, actually) a jet can locate you on the minimap. So why sit there and wait for getting killed? You havent got what it takes to adapt to other people skill. Youre constantly wasting your own potential, so why should I take you seriously?

See above. Arbitrarily brandishing me a "newbie" doesn't wash.

Most indeed. Now think about what Ive been saying before- do you honestly expect yourself to have more chances of survival and victory over a jet pilot who has invested far more time into his art than you into yours? You expect to have superior KDR against a pilot who probably has 50 times more hours invested into jets. What a laugh. All this while you just sit there. Its called adaption, pilots have been forced to adapt when patch 1.2 hit the decks. They adapted, you didnt. What more do you want? Perhaps its time for you to wipe those tears, create yourself a goal a´la 100 hours in static STA and then come back to tell me the difference?

I don't remember directly making reference to any of this before. When did I say anything about expecting to have superior k:d. If you're going to argue or discuss please be relevant to the points I have made.

Oh god, this is damn funny. You know youve lost an argument when you start picking on grammar. Your ignorance amazes me, DrJambo. Would you believe me if I told you that English is just my 3rd language?

Even if English was your 1st language I'd still believe you that it was your 3rd.

Me aside, the way you write makes me conclude you yourself have a lot of growing up to do, son. No adult would cry so much while stupidly generalising, trying to justify their own lack of skill in a stupid video game, in the same time thinking that hes superior because he has less posts in an internet forum he browses daily. What a colossal loser

Class. Wonderfully insightful stuff.

I dont care about his personality per se, Im just saying youre an a*shole and I think its damn funny that you think that colony is a bigger one than you are. It doesnt take someone who cares to notice this.
You can bend over to me any time, I will gladly verbally rape you for my own amusement.

Again I don't remember calling colony anything of the sort. You do seem to have quite a worrying penchant for the rear end and bending over though!