To All Jihad-Jeepers

[Bungalow_Bill]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

just cos you have a stick up your arse from another thread doesnt give you the right to be rude to other members,

It's not for you to decide backseat admin. If the TBF2 forum admins don't like my posts they can ban me for them. And honestly, defending a player who just "decides to ruin someones day". How about you go defend some school yard bullies while you're at it?

I usually agree with most of your posts PW but this reponse was uncalled for. Using C4 on jeeps is not against the ROE. It is under the section of what server owner rules can and cant enforce. As long as its not against the server rules I will use this tactic.

It's not me who called it an exploit, it was DICE. It is a broken game mechanic that they do not have the programming abilites to fix so they created a ROE against it as a "bandaid". But make no mistake about it if DICE could press a magic button and make the jihading tactic go away they'd hit it in a heartbeat

What you see as cheap and an exploit I see as a very effective tatic against armor.

You can use the same lame justification for anything. Aimbot for example. What you see as a cheat and an exploit I see as an effective and legitimate program to give me an edge against infantry. I mean they can download it too right?

Just like the J-10, Dice didnt intend on making it the way it is yet people still fight over it. Maybe server owners should ban the use of the J-10 because some could consider using it an exploit in its current state.

Can't really compare it to a J-10 because no other alternatives exist to using the J-10 when a team needs aircraft. Plenty of alternative methods exist to killing a tank or APC and thus the jihad exploit is unnecessary.

Lets say for example if you jumped and fired a grenade launcher (or an AT rocket) you'd fire out three grenades (or 3 AT rockets) instead of one, DICE acknowledged it was an unintended bug but because of the nature of the game code absolutely no way exists for them to fix it. How do you think most servers would feel about people using that exploit? Same deal as Jihading only it would effect more people than just the handful of armor people that jihading effects. Jihading is an uintended and unwanted usage of C4 according to DICE that cannot be changed because it is not possible without breaking the legitimate uses of C4. So DICE figures best to let the armor people get raped by an unstoppable jihad of death then piss off all the Spec Ops people.

I don't like Jihaders trying to kill me and I especially dislike them when I'm with my squad trying to get transport so we can capture flag and some dumbarse jihader is loading up the only available jeep with C4 packs. All so he can go n00b some poor tank driver and cost our team a ticket and our only viable means of transport.

[imported_Nefarious]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

LOL what a nonsense

Thanks for the cake...sir.

Did you even read ROE? I think your comment makes more none sense then mine.

[imported_Ix_Mac_xI]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

I don't mind Jihad Jeeping as such, but it can be a bit lame on Warlord when you feel a tank vs quad bike has the odds stacked in favour of the biker.

Worse in my opinion is the jihad commander. Had one of these on a recent Karkand round on a quiet server (he was admin as well). I took a US APC to factory by different routes and on three occassions in a row was taken out by the enemy commander and his C4 Vodnik.

Having the issues already mentioned with hitbox detection combined with a scan/UAV on demand makes a deadly combination. After the third time, our commander got wise and started spotting him for me so I could see which direction he was coming from. At least then I started dishing it back to him by waiting on the straight sections to create a kill zone and driving flat out at all other times.

[Scinto]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

It's not for you to decide backseat admin. If the TBF2 forum admins don't like my posts they can ban me for them. And honestly, defending a player who just "decides to ruin someones day". How about you go defend some school yard bullies while you're at it?

i find you rather rude, when you could have atleast tried to give a polite comment, there are plenty of people that "jihad" you would just prefer to scold one person because they admitted it,

[GbeTech]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

You know, ive never encountered any jihadd jipping. But it sounds nice :p
(j/k)

[Furious321]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

lol, EA calls it C4 ramming.

(f)Using C4 explosives on fast-moving vehicles to destroy other vehicles (C4-ramming)

So if I set 5 C4 explosive charges on the front of a tank, drive it up to an enemy APC, and detonate it... it isn't in contrast to EA's statement?

Tanks aren't fast in BF2

[imported_Nefarious]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

So if I set 5 C4 explosive charges on the front of a tank, drive it up to an enemy APC, and detonate it... it isn't in contrast to EA's statement?

Tanks aren't fast in BF2

lol:laugh:

I dont know about that...it'd be funny to try.

[Bungalow_Bill]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

i find you rather rude, when you could have atleast tried to give a polite comment, there are plenty of people that "jihad" you would just prefer to scold one person because they admitted it,

I'm sorry I upset your delicate sensibilities Scinto but make no mistake I'm not targeting Consultant or any particular individual but every gamer who has ever decided to use an exploit, cheat, hack or "ruin someones day" for whatever lame justification they pulled out of their rectum. Yes exploiting an unfixable gameplay flaw is nowhere near as bad as using an aimbot but all of this unsavory behavior runs down the same tainted vein and shouldn't be excusable or tolerable under any circumstances.

Why doesn't DICE do the right thing and simply come out and say "If you exploit this gameplay flaw we will ban your GUID." rather than bothering with all of this half-as*ed ROE crap. Problem solved.

[Scinto]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

Why doesn't DICE do the right thing and simply come out and say "If you exploit this gameplay flaw we will ban your GUID." rather than bothering with all of this half-as*ed ROE crap. Problem solved.

it would be nice for a faster way for somethings to be dealt with but as for current BFROE is what we're stuck with (no offence to the guys) and its a long an tiresome time, there would be certain times that everyone would like to press a magic button and ban someone on the spot,

[Supermario]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

Wow guys i like how your making a big deal about just leave it and not alot of people really do it. BF2 is a war game say a mec in strike at karkand they still jihad-jeep to kill people its not like cheat you can do it in real life meaning its realistic. So just leave it how it is.

[Bald-Eagle11]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

Love the cake ,,,,, gotta sell well on the streets of Jalalabad!!!!!!!!!!!!

[imported_Ix_Mac_xI]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

Wow guys i like how your making a big deal about just leave it and not alot of people really do it. BF2 is a war game say a mec in strike at karkand they still jihad-jeep to kill people its not like cheat you can do it in real life meaning its realistic. So just leave it how it is.

Lobbing C4 on a tank then blowing it up is not realistic, neither is driving a vehicle at an armoured target then jumping out and blowing it to smithereens while you walk away without a scratch.

To be honest, C4 is not going to do too much to a tank other than scorch the paint. Probable best case scenario is you take a track off.

I agree with your sentiment that this sort of thing is legit in the game, just not the reality aspect of it.

[CQ-Reborn]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

DICE themselves has said that C4 Jeep Jihading is an unintended exploit of C4 that they cannot fix and it is understandable why. This is why they made the no-jihad ROE. It's all balance as C4 is very powerful yet it has a limited range and slow deployement, however the jeep jihad breaks this balance by increasing the speed and range on C4.

For example DICE wants C4 to stick to enemy vehicles should you thow it on them in a legitimate fashion and nerfing jeep jihading would nerf this valid use of C4 and thus the conflict.

That being said Jeep Jihad is 1) unskilled 2) exploits a broken game dynamic 3) exploits the horrible netcode in BF2 when a tank/APC attempts to defend themself versus a fast moving vehicle and even though they hit the vehicle on their screen it remains undamaged because of hitbox issues 4) the jihaders deprive their own team of valuable transport vehicles needed to get around and in general are a negative force on the server.

In conclusion if you have to resort to an exploit of a broken game mechanic (jihad) to kill a tank or APC you are n00b of the lowest order. Plenty of legitimate and effective methods exisit to kill armor including C4 tossing, C4 traps, AT mines, other armored vehicles, helicopters, airplane, artillery, AT rockets and of course stationary TOW missiles.

So, some bastard is in your uncap base with a tank with his back against a wall at the commander has a supply crate behind him, its considered noobish if the only thing you can do is come speeding in on a shiny new hummer with 4 C4's strapped to it and ram it right up the tanks face and detonate? XD

I'm sorry I upset your delicate sensibilities Scinto but make no mistake I'm not targeting Consultant or any particular individual but every gamer who has ever decided to use an exploit, cheat, hack or "ruin someones day" for whatever lame justification they pulled out of their rectum. Yes exploiting an unfixable gameplay flaw is nowhere near as bad as using an aimbot but all of this unsavory behavior runs down the same tainted vein and shouldn't be excusable or tolerable under any circumstances.

Why doesn't DICE do the right thing and simply come out and say "If you exploit this gameplay flaw we will ban your GUID." rather than bothering with all of this half-as*ed ROE crap. Problem solved.

If DICE wants to do the right thing they can stop fricking moving on to new games and fix the ones they started with.
Assult still sucks, the planes are still bugged, so many other things are unbalanced/unfair. I think its safe to say if they have wanted to do the right thing they'd still be putting 100% of their BF2 Team departments effort into fixing the truly game-play ruining bugs than going on about how awesome BF2142 is gonna be and all. >.>

[imported_BlueScreen]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

DICE themselves has said that C4 Jeep Jihading is an unintended exploit of C4 that they cannot fix and it is understandable why. This is why they made the no-jihad ROE. [...]

Some moron @ DICE said also: "With the next patch we'll introduce a great new feature: the commander can now drop jeeps. I love dropping jeeps on lonesome snipers." (The problem is that this guy is the canadian lead developer or head of map design)

So why should i / you / we give a **** what they say ???

IMHO the should fix he game, make their so called 'features' a serverside option (at least for unranked ones & mods) and STFU till they did that

[justlearningdude]

Re: To All Jihad-Jeepers

I remember EA advertising the possibility to make your jeep etc a moving bomb, when they were trying to get us all to buy BF2, so all this talk of it being a form of cheating is bs. To planewhore, I absolutely love winding people like you up in game, people that take it far too seriously for their own good, and the more hysterical you get, the more I like it!

If a tank whore starts abusing me for jihad jeeping him, then that's all the more incentive to keep blowing him up...

Anyways, If you're a good tank driver, it's fairly easy to blow the jihadi's up before they get to you...I don't see what the big deal is.